Misty's Litter

[AdrianneIsabel]

She did fix and do what she can/could. She never asked for sympathy just for understanding and not to be torn to shreds.

It seems to me people sometimes spend so much time caring about dogs that they forget that sometimes people need that too

Sorry I disagree in a case like this. Big whoop, the op gets a slap on the wrist and can close the computer, dogs lose their entire lives over things like this. A little tough love is stomachable when faced with a preventable mistake that effects the reality of a life, no matter the species.

What seems to be missing in some posts is a balance of honest blunt information. Clean up the mistake, prevent it from re-occurring and then we can move on to the mushy lovins.

I have already said I commend the op for their choice to prevent this from reoccurring in their own house, the last step is to prevent these pups from an oops of their own in a year. I find that far from crucifying to the op, it's blunt and maybe not what she wanted to read but it's needed in my book and I think we've mostly been very fair about it.

 

[Lizmo]

Someone else messed up by giving the OP two intact mixed breeds and the OP got lazy, or something, and bred a litter, it's up to the OP to not give the next OP an intact dog to have an accident with.

Did you even read her post? Next time, try reading her post about how this situation came about before jumping down her throat for 'breeding a litter'.

There is a huge difference between being honest with advice and being down right mean and acting like she's dumb a door.

 

[Linds]

Well since I can't fathom a situation I would ever recommend a pediatric alter and she's already explained everything to my satisfaction along with a pound of flesh I'm good and ready to sit back and enjoy puppies. But you can continue on giving her that 'tough love', it would just be nice to see the latter half of that a little more and the former maybe a little less. But that's just me

Did you even read her post? Next time, try reading her post about how this situation came about before jumping down her throat for 'breeding a litter'.

There is a huge difference between being honest with advice and being down right mean and acting like she's dumb a door.

:hail:

I found myself wondering how much of us actually read what she's put since most didn't even know she had the male already altered

 

[Misty+Mason]

dogs lose their entire lives over things like thisQUOTE]

Your answers have been helpful, even if they are somewhat kinda hatefully put down, but I had to point out this.

Dogs lose their lives over what kind of thing I let happen. I am not like those ignorant, pathetic people out there. My dogs litter is not only my dogs Misty's hard work and caring(mother duties) it will forever be my duty to always know they are alive, they are with the owner that will be taken them, they will be fixed, they will be healthy and taken care of, I don't know right now how I am to do all this, but thats why I'm finding people now instead of later. Making sure their pups match their personality, make sure they are the money, the time, the want to take care of these dogs. I'll get something done that if what they do down the line is not good for the dog, not being taken care of, they have to give them back and I'll continue the process to match these pups with the right people, hopefully first people will be responsible, but you can never be sure, people make mistakes, and I'll teach them and educate them and possibly bring a lot of them to this forum.

:hail:

 

[JessLough]

IMO, if you have an intact male, an intact female and hand them off to somebody else, you are asking for them to be bred.

That said, her case was kind of an urgent case, and I am glad that she REALIZES what happened Regardless, the puppies are alive now, and I am glad they are happy and healthy.

 

[Maxy24]

Cute pups! How many did she have, are they all spotted like these two? How old are they?
Can't wait to watch them grow!

 

[Misty+Mason]

This is pictures taken yesterday.

Momma just got done feeding them, they are all nice and full and sleeping right now. Their eyes are almost open.

 

[Misty+Mason]

Cute pups! How many did she have, are they all spotted like these two? How old are they?
Can't wait to watch them grow!

She had 9 :yikes:, most are spotted, there is however three females that are just black, two of the females having a little bit of white on their chests. They are almost 2 weeks old thursday.

And I can't wait to watch them grow up too, even into adulthood because I'm going to stay in touch with as many people as possible.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

Did you even read her post? Next time, try reading her post about how this situation came about before jumping down her throat for 'breeding a litter'.

There is a huge difference between being honest with advice and being down right mean and acting like she's dumb a door.

Unfortunately when you have had two dogs since they were puppies and choose not to alter them and choose not to steward them during a heat cycle you're all but condoning their breeding.


I respect the fact the OP hasn't made excuses for her mistake so I don't think she needs anyone else making excuses for her, she's accepted it as such and moved on to fix the problem. I do hope she reconsiders just trusting the new owners to not make the same mistake she's made but we can't all be as stern as we'd like to be I suppose.

Meanwhile, I live in a danged prison cell right now. One intact male and a female who's flagging so much she's gotten my neutered male to mount her several times and my intact male to mount my spayed female. It's a hell house of hormones but really no one should ever have a house filled with intact animals unless they are ready for total lock down and supervision during a heat cycle, this includes but is not limited to cages, barriers, and no vacations unless you have an exceedingly trustworthy pet sitter and even that would be nerve wrecking to me.

I bet Misty will be much happier and thankful after being spayed though, I'm sure my intact female hates being on lock down right now, she has no idea it's for her own good.

ETA: The tongue here is to-die-for. lol

 

[smkie]

If you wish to debate oops litters and their cause and effect on the life of all dogs you should really start a thread on it. To attack one person who has stated that it was a mistake, that has been responsible in seeing that it isn't' going to happen again is just pointless.

 

[Specsy]

I realise some of you may have started to move on from the bashing but I just wanted to add, that, the fact that she is even on a forum for dogs, without advertising etc, is actually a sign that she really is looking for advice and is looking for people to talk to. If she didn't care less she wouldn't be here.

I understand how a lot of you feel about being in rescue. Personally I am a volunteer at a non kill shelter, however I have been to kill shelters before, and it is painful. However I think that the OP has mentioned more than a few times that she is going to keep track of the pups and implement certain things to stop the pups from ending up in shelters.

Quite frankly, my parents had an oops litter with the rescue and our Rottie whom passed away. It was a matter of family emergency and the fact that my parents were not very educated on heat cycles or about spay/aborts etc. (I am the only one who put the effort into it after it all happened) Roxy WAS booked for spay but a family member got fatally ill and we went away without the dogs. I understand what the OP means by not being able to get closer spay dates, really in some areas it is impossible to get a spay without 1 weeks notice. I am in one of these areas. Even if you do go to a rescue etc. Our rescues require you be unemployed or a student for them to help you. Out of my parent's oops litter came Bella and 2 other female puppies. I kept Bella and both other females have homes I am personally in constant contact with. Roxy has been spayed. Bella is going for spay, Leo is not going to be neutered until he is 2 years old. Bella has already gone through 1 heat successfully without getting pregnant, but won't be going through another heat.

I think that some of you are being ridiculous! I HAVE seen dogs put to sleep, actually I have seen so much worse, but I don't see what you're trying to achieve by slamming the OP even though she has already got a plan of action. What she wants now is, advice on how to raise puppies.

 

[LilahRoot]

Unfortunately when you have had two dogs since they were puppies and choose not to alter them and choose not to steward them during a heat cycle you're all but condoning their breeding.


I respect the fact the OP hasn't made excuses for her mistake so I don't think she needs anyone else making excuses for her, she's accepted it as such and moved on to fix the problem. I do hope she reconsiders just trusting the new owners to not make the same mistake she's made but we can't all be as stern as we'd like to be I suppose.

Meanwhile, I live in a danged prison cell right now. One intact male and a female who's flagging so much she's gotten my neutered male to mount her several times and my intact male to mount my spayed female. It's a hell house of hormones but really no one should ever have a house filled with intact animals unless they are ready for total lock down and supervision during a heat cycle, this includes but is not limited to cages, barriers, and no vacations unless you have an exceedingly trustworthy pet sitter and even that would be nerve wrecking to me.

I bet Misty will be much happier and thankful after being spayed though, I'm sure my intact female hates being on lock down right now, she has no idea it's for her own good.

ETA: The tongue here is to-die-for. lol

Well, aren't we all glad that you're so perfect and can share that with the rest of us weak morons.

It really sucks how attitudes are on here towards newbies. I oftentimes don't post even if I read a thread and have an opinion on the topic because I'm ignored. I post threads and am ignored. A "long term" member posts something ridiculous like "I took a crap today" and everyone on here is all over it. Some "long term" members have oops litters and they're practically congratulated. Or they say the all the right things, when in all actuality we don't know what the circumstances were. How about we give everyone the SAME benefit of the doubt, eh? This isn't high school.

ETA: Those puppies are adorable! I have not read your previous threads. What are they mixed with? I am glad that you learned from this mistake.

 

[Dizzy]

Thank GOD for oops and mutts, or I would never have my amazing love of my life dog.

People come here and learn, they aren't handed a book on "how to know it all about everything and everyone amen" at birth that instantly instills them with all knowledge about dogs, hurricanes, cheese and the way people smell funny after eating fish and other useful facts.

Jesus, I am convinced some people only choose to interact on the internet because they actually have no social skills what so ever.

And really, if you're all do against irresponsibility start a eugenics petition instead of being bitches to what appears to be someone who has come here with polite intent and a willing to learn,

 

[milos_mommy]

I really like the idea of microchipping the puppies with your info. That way even if a future owner has a falling out with you, loses touch, or deliberately goes against the contract, you can still keep track of the puppies if they get lost or end up in a shelter somehow.

 

[LilahRoot]

Thank GOD for oops and mutts, or I would never have my amazing love of my life dog.

People come here and learn, they aren't handed a book on "how to know it all about everything and everyone amen" at birth that instantly instills them with all knowledge about dogs, hurricanes, cheese and the way people smell funny after eating fish and other useful facts.

Jesus, I am convinced some people only choose to interact on the internet because they actually have no social skills what so ever.

Glad I'm not the only one.

I find it so funny too, because we all preach patience with animals, but when it comes to people have absolutely ZERO tolerance for ignorance.

I guess I should start expecting my puppies to come home knowing that the house is an unacceptable potty area, yeah?

 

[milos_mommy]

they aren't handed a book on "how to know it all about everything and everyone amen" at birth that instantly instills them with all knowledge about dogs, hurricanes, cheese and the way people smell funny after eating fish and other useful facts.

A couple of the members here certainly think they were.

It's not just THIS thread, either. Not to get way, way, way off topic, but I remember a recent thread asking for opinions on something, which contained the responses hinting at "you didn't do your research so why are you even thinking about this." Even if the posted clearly didn't do any research WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT? Why wouldn't you share helpful links, mention taking a class in research methods, etc? That poster was someone who was clearly not very knowledgeable, but posted a lot of threads asking for help and advice. Now they're gone because people were so rude, and who knows what problems they'll encounter in getting a dog, when they could have learned more here. Getting frustrated with someone for making a common mistake just because the mistake is common isn't fair.

 

[Dizzy]

Must be nice to have all the answers

I think I did at one point, but then I grew up.

 

[darkchild16]

Unfortunately when you have had two dogs since they were puppies and choose not to alter them and choose not to steward them during a heat cycle you're all but condoning their breeding.


I respect the fact the OP hasn't made excuses for her mistake so I don't think she needs anyone else making excuses for her, she's accepted it as such and moved on to fix the problem. I do hope she reconsiders just trusting the new owners to not make the same mistake she's made but we can't all be as stern as we'd like to be I suppose.

Meanwhile, I live in a danged prison cell right now. One intact male and a female who's flagging so much she's gotten my neutered male to mount her several times and my intact male to mount my spayed female. It's a hell house of hormones but really no one should ever have a house filled with intact animals unless they are ready for total lock down and supervision during a heat cycle, this includes but is not limited to cages, barriers, and no vacations unless you have an exceedingly trustworthy pet sitter and even that would be nerve wrecking to me.

I bet Misty will be much happier and thankful after being spayed though, I'm sure my intact female hates being on lock down right now, she has no idea it's for her own good.

ETA: The tongue here is to-die-for. lol

Yeah and even with all that you can have a oops. They HAPPEN. My dad who hadnt ever had one ended up with one and he only had two dogs. I never talked about it on here really because of this. He had both dogs crated on opposite ends of the house, barriers at the doors and the doors locked, AND a 6 foot wooden wall breaking up his HOUSE. and still the male got to the female. The male broke out of the cage, destroyed the door and then jumped the wooden barrier and THEN did the same for the female. Oh and both cages were padlocked.

I also dont think Basic training is a vacation I mean I could be wrong but I dont think you have a choice. Shes trying to make it right and life happens you cant control every aspect of it every time. Hell dogs through SILENT heats and you never know until they are pregnant. You do your best and hope it works and if it doesnt accept responsibility and make it right. From what I can see she is doing that. Shes not dumping them shes not taking away resources from other shelter dogs NOTHING. Shes accepted responsibility for the action and the puppies.

ETA: he always had some combo of intact dogs and never had issues until that one 3 years ago.

 

[Dekka]

I find it hilarious that those who get annoyed perhaps even angry or greatly upset by those who are passionate about oops litters do the EXACT same thing to those people.

Its one of those catch 22s. YOu get mad for people getting mad, or you get upset about people being not fair by belittleing and being not fair to them in return. So Dizzy.. you make fun of people by saying they must not have social skills, does that mean since you are doing essentially the same thing you also lack social skills?

You have to admit the people saying "you guys are are horrible and mean" are pretty funny.

(and I think they would be just as annoyed by purebred oopses too)

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

I really like the idea of microchipping the puppies with your info. That way even if a future owner has a falling out with you, loses touch, or deliberately goes against the contract, you can still keep track of the puppies if they get lost or end up in a shelter somehow.

This is a great suggestion!