Misty's Litter
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I agree with AdrienneIsabel. And, some people, long term members, HAVE been thrashed and run off the board because of accidental litters. LauraLeigh's case was different, IMO, because she did not go out, knowing keep an intact bitch and dog, and just leave them with somebody else.
And I completely agree with her about saying that those who are getting upset by the negative comments, have probably never had to sit there with a dog, and spend time with them knowing the would be euthanized the next day due to the irresponsibility of others. I just wish everybody could sit there with a dog, while it was being euthanized, trying to make sure it know it was a good dog and did nothing wrong, cause it would open ALOT of eyes.
It is hard to be so forgiving after seeing that.
ETA: I do not mean the OP specifically here. I was just talking in general.
And I completely agree with her about saying that those who are getting upset by the negative comments, have probably never had to sit there with a dog, and spend time with them knowing the would be euthanized the next day due to the irresponsibility of others. I just wish everybody could sit there with a dog, while it was being euthanized, trying to make sure it know it was a good dog and did nothing wrong, cause it would open ALOT of eyes.
It is hard to be so forgiving after seeing that.
ETA: I do not mean the OP specifically here. I was just talking in general.
Hey, if they'll set up pediatric neuters to deny the continuation of the mistake cycle I'm all for the cutes.
Accidents happen, its how things are handled in the clean up that tell what kind of person the owner wants to be.
Someone else messed up by giving the OP two intact mixed breeds and the OP got lazy, or something, and bred a litter, it's up to the OP to not give the next OP an intact dog to have an accident with.
I hope it all works out for the pups and my mom to be altered, that would be the best outcome of this thread.
Accidents happen, its how things are handled in the clean up that tell what kind of person the owner wants to be.
Someone else messed up by giving the OP two intact mixed breeds and the OP got lazy, or something, and bred a litter, it's up to the OP to not give the next OP an intact dog to have an accident with.
I hope it all works out for the pups and my mom to be altered, that would be the best outcome of this thread.
Oh my favorite.. the "you won't understand unless you've worked in rescue" argument..
I have volunteered for years in one of the highest intake/highest euthanasia rate public shelters in the COUNTRY that right ladies and gents, Miami dade animal services. Over 100 animal intakes a day, you wanna talk about frustrating? You are preaching to the choir.
The fact that I think that is awful, does NOT make it ok to let all my frustrations about that out on someone who made a mistake and is doing EVERYTHING she can to make it right.
Inform her on how to make it right? yea, that has been done and she has done everything she can.
But just because I choose to help and try and be positive instead of dumping on this girl and generally just being negative
(which..fun fact.. is the reason why SO MANY people don't want to go to rescues to adopt animals, because the people involved so frequently have the WORST attitudes and social skills)
does NOT mean I "don't understand" it means I don't let my volunteer work make me immune to helping people or let it give me the right to have a sour attitude and trying to guilt and run new members off this forum with it, and it doesn't let it stop me from trying to HELP and be supportive of new members who have made mistakes
I have set next to, played with, walked and cared for PLENTY of animals I knew would be euthanized, I have been in rooms during the process.
I have fostered a very sick litter of puppies who I knew without my help, would be euthanized
Trust me, I GET IT.
I just don't think that makes it ok to have a horrible attitude.
I have my days where I just want to YELL "OMG YOU IRRESPONSIBLE BREEDER! DOGS/PUPPIES DYING IN SHELTERS!!" and I have slipped up.. but what has that done?
Make me feel better.. but other than that.. NOTHING! The members leave, they learn nothing and it just shows us off to be a bunch of pitchfork holding people who don't even want to help or do what this forum is kind of supposed to be about... sharing information, education.
I'm not writing a cheerleading routine about how AWESOME it was that these dogs were bred.
Is it unfortunate? Ya.
but the male is neutered, and she is doing everything to do this right.
So unless I show up on all her threads and generally act like a bitch... I'm *celebrating* the fact that these puppies were created? really?.. what a joke.
Who here has NEVER made a mistake with their dogs? go ahead..speak up. I did stupid stupid things before I knew better, most people have, and that right there should be enough to really make anyone think twice before going HOLIER THAN THOU on new members because by running them off, you are helping NO ONE.
It was an ACCIDENT. One that she has owned up to.. I don't think the fact that these puppies were produced in much less than ideal circumstances should stop her from enjoying these pups or sharing her experience.
Don't wanna see it? Then put her on ignore.
I have volunteered for years in one of the highest intake/highest euthanasia rate public shelters in the COUNTRY that right ladies and gents, Miami dade animal services. Over 100 animal intakes a day, you wanna talk about frustrating? You are preaching to the choir.
The fact that I think that is awful, does NOT make it ok to let all my frustrations about that out on someone who made a mistake and is doing EVERYTHING she can to make it right.
Inform her on how to make it right? yea, that has been done and she has done everything she can.
But just because I choose to help and try and be positive instead of dumping on this girl and generally just being negative
(which..fun fact.. is the reason why SO MANY people don't want to go to rescues to adopt animals, because the people involved so frequently have the WORST attitudes and social skills)
does NOT mean I "don't understand" it means I don't let my volunteer work make me immune to helping people or let it give me the right to have a sour attitude and trying to guilt and run new members off this forum with it, and it doesn't let it stop me from trying to HELP and be supportive of new members who have made mistakes
I have set next to, played with, walked and cared for PLENTY of animals I knew would be euthanized, I have been in rooms during the process.
I have fostered a very sick litter of puppies who I knew without my help, would be euthanized
Trust me, I GET IT.
I just don't think that makes it ok to have a horrible attitude.
I have my days where I just want to YELL "OMG YOU IRRESPONSIBLE BREEDER! DOGS/PUPPIES DYING IN SHELTERS!!" and I have slipped up.. but what has that done?
Make me feel better.. but other than that.. NOTHING! The members leave, they learn nothing and it just shows us off to be a bunch of pitchfork holding people who don't even want to help or do what this forum is kind of supposed to be about... sharing information, education.
I'm not writing a cheerleading routine about how AWESOME it was that these dogs were bred.
Is it unfortunate? Ya.
but the male is neutered, and she is doing everything to do this right.
So unless I show up on all her threads and generally act like a bitch... I'm *celebrating* the fact that these puppies were created? really?.. what a joke.
Who here has NEVER made a mistake with their dogs? go ahead..speak up. I did stupid stupid things before I knew better, most people have, and that right there should be enough to really make anyone think twice before going HOLIER THAN THOU on new members because by running them off, you are helping NO ONE.
It was an ACCIDENT. One that she has owned up to.. I don't think the fact that these puppies were produced in much less than ideal circumstances should stop her from enjoying these pups or sharing her experience.
Don't wanna see it? Then put her on ignore.
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Off topic i know but.
I actually was in a situation like that before, not with a dog i did not know, but with one my husband and I rescued from a trailer. He was a pitbull and he was starving, cold, thirsty and close to death.
Long story short, the dog got hit by a car, while we were out visiting family, our friend "I hate friends now", she had her boyfriend take our dog (We both were staying in a place together at the time, the dog was no trouble, he had accidents, but that was to be expected for an outside dog).
Anyways she had her boyfriend throw the dog over a fence at a humansociety... and he escaped and got hit by a car. We had him for only a few months, but the difference in his face and eyes from the day we got him till the day we lost him, we knew he enjoyed those times. We took him to the vet before what happened, thinking he was over 5 years of age because of how bad of shape he was in. He was not even over 2 years old.
When he got hit by the car, I was there in the ditch with him, after I reported to the human society what happen, after looking for him for hours I had to eat and reast by the phone. She called stating someone hit and ran! I was there in a flash. He could not move, he could only move his eyes. I told him he was a good boy, I told him it wasn't his fault. I just wish he could have been with us longer, after getting a second good chance at life, it was taken away. The vet had euthnized him because of the savarity of the injuries. We barried him out at my husbands fathers property. Thats the saddest thing I've ever been through, I couldn't eat, sleep, smile, for along time. It makes me cry still, just writting this here. I know he wasn't a dog at a shelter being put down because it didn't have a home, but he was a saved dog from a horrible owner, had a second chance, and it ended, but he loved us and I saw it in his eyes there in the ditch on the side of the road with him. We gave him something he wanted in life, love.
The day we got him, before his bath.
After his bath, sorry for the dirtyness, the so called friend was worthless.
I've got to go for a walk please.
And what he looked like happy.
I hate humans, I hate myself for this accidental litter I let happen, I will make a difference, not for the world maybe, but for the dogs in my area and for the lives of my dogs and their offspring, I promise that.
I actually was in a situation like that before, not with a dog i did not know, but with one my husband and I rescued from a trailer. He was a pitbull and he was starving, cold, thirsty and close to death.
Long story short, the dog got hit by a car, while we were out visiting family, our friend "I hate friends now", she had her boyfriend take our dog (We both were staying in a place together at the time, the dog was no trouble, he had accidents, but that was to be expected for an outside dog).
Anyways she had her boyfriend throw the dog over a fence at a humansociety... and he escaped and got hit by a car. We had him for only a few months, but the difference in his face and eyes from the day we got him till the day we lost him, we knew he enjoyed those times. We took him to the vet before what happened, thinking he was over 5 years of age because of how bad of shape he was in. He was not even over 2 years old.
When he got hit by the car, I was there in the ditch with him, after I reported to the human society what happen, after looking for him for hours I had to eat and reast by the phone. She called stating someone hit and ran! I was there in a flash. He could not move, he could only move his eyes. I told him he was a good boy, I told him it wasn't his fault. I just wish he could have been with us longer, after getting a second good chance at life, it was taken away. The vet had euthnized him because of the savarity of the injuries. We barried him out at my husbands fathers property. Thats the saddest thing I've ever been through, I couldn't eat, sleep, smile, for along time. It makes me cry still, just writting this here. I know he wasn't a dog at a shelter being put down because it didn't have a home, but he was a saved dog from a horrible owner, had a second chance, and it ended, but he loved us and I saw it in his eyes there in the ditch on the side of the road with him. We gave him something he wanted in life, love.
The day we got him, before his bath.
After his bath, sorry for the dirtyness, the so called friend was worthless.
I've got to go for a walk please.
And what he looked like happy.
I hate humans, I hate myself for this accidental litter I let happen, I will make a difference, not for the world maybe, but for the dogs in my area and for the lives of my dogs and their offspring, I promise that.
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As usual, I agree with everything Fran said.
Working in rescue might give you some insight about why an accidental litter of puppies is so heartbreaking. It doesn't give you a free pass to be a rude douche about it. Not "everyone who worked in rescue" is going to berate and belittle someone who ACCIDENTALLY had a litter and is doing EVERYTHING THEY CAN to ensure the mistake is handled as best as possible. Some people who work in rescue, who have seen dogs they've grown to love killed because there just aren't enough homes, who have seen dogs from unhealthtested parents live with atrocious medical conditions, are going to try to share what they've seen and help make sure it doesn't happen again.
Working in rescue might give you some insight about why an accidental litter of puppies is so heartbreaking. It doesn't give you a free pass to be a rude douche about it. Not "everyone who worked in rescue" is going to berate and belittle someone who ACCIDENTALLY had a litter and is doing EVERYTHING THEY CAN to ensure the mistake is handled as best as possible. Some people who work in rescue, who have seen dogs they've grown to love killed because there just aren't enough homes, who have seen dogs from unhealthtested parents live with atrocious medical conditions, are going to try to share what they've seen and help make sure it doesn't happen again.
They're adorable! Weren't there more than just the two, though? Would love to see pics of the others and more as they grow up! You can't get much cuter than puppies!
And yes, I've worked/volunteered with rescue for several years now. I congratulate you on being so responsible after the accident litter. Call me wrong, but I'd much rather see an accident litter of mutts with an owner who is trying to be responsible than an intentional or accidental litter of purebreds with an owner who is looking to make some cash. We had an entire litter of deaf and/or partially blind double merle aussies come into rescue because the owner couldn't sell them. I'd rather save my anger for people like that owner who could've cared less.
One suggestion - could you potentially take an adoption fee from the new owners that would just cover the spays/neuters of the puppies? If you were going to require that they do it anyway, this might actually be a win-win situation? Save them time and help you to ensure that the cycle stops there.
And yes, I've worked/volunteered with rescue for several years now. I congratulate you on being so responsible after the accident litter. Call me wrong, but I'd much rather see an accident litter of mutts with an owner who is trying to be responsible than an intentional or accidental litter of purebreds with an owner who is looking to make some cash. We had an entire litter of deaf and/or partially blind double merle aussies come into rescue because the owner couldn't sell them. I'd rather save my anger for people like that owner who could've cared less.
One suggestion - could you potentially take an adoption fee from the new owners that would just cover the spays/neuters of the puppies? If you were going to require that they do it anyway, this might actually be a win-win situation? Save them time and help you to ensure that the cycle stops there.
because at least saying something to the people who are so OPPOSED might get them to be a bit more sympathetic, to just let this girl have a thread about these puppies and share her experience without the negative frustrations of people dumping on it.
Those people still have things they can DO IMO, I'm not just ranting to release my anger or something.
She has already done everything she can to make this right, she has already DONE everything asked of her... she is still being dragged for NO REASON except for prior frustrations and things she has no control over... like euthanasia rates in shelters.
What does raking this girl over the coals who has an oops litter do? Nothing. Especially after she has been dragged over them 100 times and especially after she has taken every bit of advice and done EVERYTHING those people have told her to do.
That's the difference. Saying something to make a change and saying something just because.
You see a guy kick a dog. You get mad and tell him off.
... ok.
You are mad at animal abuse in the world so you rant and rave and tell off your boyfriend who kicked his dog when he was a kid but is now a model pet owner.
....not the same thing.
Those people still have things they can DO IMO, I'm not just ranting to release my anger or something.
She has already done everything she can to make this right, she has already DONE everything asked of her... she is still being dragged for NO REASON except for prior frustrations and things she has no control over... like euthanasia rates in shelters.
What does raking this girl over the coals who has an oops litter do? Nothing. Especially after she has been dragged over them 100 times and especially after she has taken every bit of advice and done EVERYTHING those people have told her to do.
That's the difference. Saying something to make a change and saying something just because.
You see a guy kick a dog. You get mad and tell him off.
... ok.
You are mad at animal abuse in the world so you rant and rave and tell off your boyfriend who kicked his dog when he was a kid but is now a model pet owner.
....not the same thing.
I am not Eeeeee oops litter. I offered advice and help, but Fran your post is every bit as passive aggressive as those you are ranting about. Its like that thread where the OP was having a fit arguing about not wanting to argue.
If you want to 'help' perhaps pointing out where (cause I agree this was spread over many threads) the OP said this or that and was fixed. Ranting about passive aggressive rants in a passive aggressive manner does nothing (well ok it amuses me) to help the OP.
If you want to 'help' perhaps pointing out where (cause I agree this was spread over many threads) the OP said this or that and was fixed. Ranting about passive aggressive rants in a passive aggressive manner does nothing (well ok it amuses me) to help the OP.
Strange, I read change, difference, attempt to fix a problem in the non-squeeeeeee posts. I guess we're reading different threads.
My offer still stands to be of assistance if the op so desires. Good luck with the puppies. Another option is taking any adopt fee you can get and turning around and donating it to a reputable rescue. That one is always classy and speaks volumes of change, learning and making right a wrong.
My offer still stands to be of assistance if the op so desires. Good luck with the puppies. Another option is taking any adopt fee you can get and turning around and donating it to a reputable rescue. That one is always classy and speaks volumes of change, learning and making right a wrong.
Any passive aggressiveness is non intentional.
High stress + Lots of caffeine + Long intern hours + still jetlagged in london probably created that.
so yea, I just disobeyed my own rule of ranting/releasing my frustrations to specific people about things that are done all the time by all kinds of people
My bad.
I'm not usually this combative. I'm usually not combative at all really..
Although I do think at some point I've thrown down the word douchebag or twat one thread or another lol
High stress + Lots of caffeine + Long intern hours + still jetlagged in london probably created that.
so yea, I just disobeyed my own rule of ranting/releasing my frustrations to specific people about things that are done all the time by all kinds of people
My bad.
I'm not usually this combative. I'm usually not combative at all really..
Although I do think at some point I've thrown down the word douchebag or twat one thread or another lol
Who says I'm unsympathetic? Just because I don't congratulate the OP on her litter and ooh and aaah over the puppies doesn't mean I think I'm perfect and don't know what it feels like to make a bad call.
I posted I think some very good advice for the OP and others who might be in similar situations. AdrienneIsabelle offered MONEY to the OP, how is that unsympathetic?
I guess I'm a fuddy duddy, but when I screw up I focus on fixing it, not on getting sympathy for how bad I feel for screwing up. Different strokes...
I posted I think some very good advice for the OP and others who might be in similar situations. AdrienneIsabelle offered MONEY to the OP, how is that unsympathetic?
I guess I'm a fuddy duddy, but when I screw up I focus on fixing it, not on getting sympathy for how bad I feel for screwing up. Different strokes...
I agree with Fran. This is ridiculous. Everyone gets it... some people are downright angry about accidental litters but really to follow from thread to thread just to start stuff is craziness. If you have a problem with someone in one thread it doesnt' have to carry over to every thread they ever make. We don't all have to be super excited about puppies but if you aren't happy about it then just stay away from the thread. We are all entitled to our opinions but we don't always have to share them.
As for those that are saying you don't get it if you havent' been there. Ok I don't get it. I don't work in a shelter and I haven't had to euthanize any dogs but just because you have doesn't mean you get carte blanche to lash out at people who are doing things you don't approve of. IN the original thread about the breeding? sure. say your piece. but why does it have to come up in every thread this person posts about the puppies? can't we just leave it to the one thread and not bring down every thread the poster makes from here on out?
The puppies are cute, I'm glad they are going to great homes and I'm glad this owner is taking responsibility for this mistake and doing the best thing for those pups now. They are here... the breeding happened. Nothing anyone says is going to change that now so why keep harping on it?
I am also one of those posters that doesn't flit around much. I generally stick to the fire hydrant. I come to dog general and read threads and look at pictures etc etc but I don't usually post because most of the time I have nothing to add. I'm an extremely average dog owner. I don't really have any training tips or anything to offer. I just enjoy reading about others experiences but I mainly only post in the fire hydrant and I've been around for a loooooooooong time. I don't know why anyone would care where I spend my time on the forum
As for those that are saying you don't get it if you havent' been there. Ok I don't get it. I don't work in a shelter and I haven't had to euthanize any dogs but just because you have doesn't mean you get carte blanche to lash out at people who are doing things you don't approve of. IN the original thread about the breeding? sure. say your piece. but why does it have to come up in every thread this person posts about the puppies? can't we just leave it to the one thread and not bring down every thread the poster makes from here on out?
The puppies are cute, I'm glad they are going to great homes and I'm glad this owner is taking responsibility for this mistake and doing the best thing for those pups now. They are here... the breeding happened. Nothing anyone says is going to change that now so why keep harping on it?
I am also one of those posters that doesn't flit around much. I generally stick to the fire hydrant. I come to dog general and read threads and look at pictures etc etc but I don't usually post because most of the time I have nothing to add. I'm an extremely average dog owner. I don't really have any training tips or anything to offer. I just enjoy reading about others experiences but I mainly only post in the fire hydrant and I've been around for a loooooooooong time. I don't know why anyone would care where I spend my time on the forum