Osama dead.

[Lilavati]

The idea that we should have left him alone out of fear of retribution is repugnant. Our fear of these people, notably wildly out of proportion to the threat they pose, has done far more harm than they could ever have done on their own, both to our standing in the world and to our way of life. The idea that we would let someone who masterminded the murder of nearly 3000 innocent people on American soil, not to mention thousands elsewhere escape because we fear the retribution of his (mostly incompetent) followers is the most revolting display of cowardice I've seen in awhile.

C'mon folks, they are terrorists. That's what they do: they spread fear. When you let them scare you, especially when you let them scare you out of proportion to the damage they could actually do, they win. If we'd left him alone, we would have been admitting that we were so scared of one sick old man (or his followers) that we would let him get away with mass murder. Disgraceful.

 

[Laurelin]

The idea that we should have left him alone out of fear of retribution is repugnant. Our fear of these people, notably wildly out of proportion to the threat they pose, has done far more harm than they could ever have done on their own, both to our standing in the world and to our way of life. The idea that we would let someone who masterminded the murder of nearly 3000 innocent people on American soil, not to mention thousands elsewhere escape because we fear the retribution of his (mostly incompetent) followers is the most revolting display of cowardice I've seen in awhile.

C'mon folks, they are terrorists. That's what they do: they spread fear. When you let them scare you, especially when you let them scare you out of proportion to the damage they could actually do, they win. If we'd left him alone, we would have been admitting that we were so scared of one sick old man (or his followers) that we would let him get away with mass murder. Disgraceful.

*like*

 

[Tahla9999]

Great post Psyfalcon.

Speaking of conspiring, seeing all this tension between Presidant Obama and Trump I find it ironically funny that the Presidant held his speech right a the pinnacle point of the show, right before the Donald fires the staff. It was kind of funny, bet you Donald didn't.....lol

Yes, my family was watching it when we heard that Obama had an announcement. We were so mad, like '' come on Obama, this is about to be probably the most dramatic ending of Celebrity Apprentice, DONT ruin it!" Then we heard that it is news about Osama, and once we turn the channel and heard the news, we just started screaming and dancing. My twelve year old sister was giving us this weird look, since we were so happy that some guy died, and we had to explain it to her to avoid looking like psychopaths.


Edited to add: FANTASTIC post Lilavati.

 

[Doberluv]

The idea that we should have left him alone out of fear of retribution is repugnant. Our fear of these people, notably wildly out of proportion to the threat they pose, has done far more harm than they could ever have done on their own, both to our standing in the world and to our way of life. The idea that we would let someone who masterminded the murder of nearly 3000 innocent people on American soil, not to mention thousands elsewhere escape because we fear the retribution of his (mostly incompetent) followers is the most revolting display of cowardice I've seen in awhile.

C'mon folks, they are terrorists. That's what they do: they spread fear. When you let them scare you, especially when you let them scare you out of proportion to the damage they could actually do, they win. If we'd left him alone, we would have been admitting that we were so scared of one sick old man (or his followers) that we would let him get away with mass murder. Disgraceful.

100% agree! :hail:

 

[Jules]

I don't think anybody suggested that he should have been off the hook? It's just the way you do and react to things make all the difference. Probably not to the terrorists in the first place... but, oh well. Nevermind.

 

[Lilavati]

I wasn't attacking you, Jules, as much as some of the other idiots on the internet.

This grin seems a little too wide in retrospect:

Remind Me Not To Play Poker With Obama

But yeah, I wouldn't want to pay poker with the guy.

 

[sparks19]

Its not unreasonable that people are happy and celebrating the capture and death of a man that orchestrated one of the biggest tragedies this generation has known not
To mention the changes its caused to our lives. Also just to be clear i said ONE OF the biggest tragedies nOt the only tragedy nor the single largest but one of.

You dont ha eto be happy butdont tell those that are that
They are stupid for feeling happy or feeling relief. Premature maybe but not unreasonable

 

[Lilavati]

Its not unreasonable that people are happy and celebrating the capture and death of a man that orchestrated one of the biggest tragedies this generation has known not
To mention the changes its caused to our lives. Also just to be clear i said ONE OF the biggest tragedies nOt the only tragedy nor the single largest but one of.

You dont ha eto be happy butdont tell those that are that
They are stupid for feeling happy or feeling relief. Premature maybe but not unreasonable

I'm happy. Not because this is the end of the war, its not. Not because things will go back to the way they were before . . . they won't. I don't think half the damage done to our liberties and mindset, not to mention our world standing, will ever be fixed, at least not for a generation. I expect to be considered a "domestic extremist" (rolls eyes) for some time to come.

But now we can begin to heal. As Mike said last night . . . the war isn't over, but 9/11 is, finally, over. That's pretty much how I feel about it too. Finally, after almost ten years, we can move on from that terrible September morning. And we have a lot of work to do.

 

[*blackrose]

The idea that we should have left him alone out of fear of retribution is repugnant. Our fear of these people, notably wildly out of proportion to the threat they pose, has done far more harm than they could ever have done on their own, both to our standing in the world and to our way of life. The idea that we would let someone who masterminded the murder of nearly 3000 innocent people on American soil, not to mention thousands elsewhere escape because we fear the retribution of his (mostly incompetent) followers is the most revolting display of cowardice I've seen in awhile.

C'mon folks, they are terrorists. That's what they do: they spread fear. When you let them scare you, especially when you let them scare you out of proportion to the damage they could actually do, they win. If we'd left him alone, we would have been admitting that we were so scared of one sick old man (or his followers) that we would let him get away with mass murder. Disgraceful.

I'm happy. Not because this is the end of the war, its not. Not because things will go back to the way they were before . . . they won't. I don't think half the damage done to our liberties and mindset, not to mention our world standing, will ever be fixed, at least not for a generation. I expect to be considered a "domestic extremist" (rolls eyes) for some time to come.

But now we can begin to heal. As Mike said last night . . . the war isn't over, but 9/11 is, finally, over. That's pretty much how I feel about it too. Finally, after almost ten years, we can move on from that terrible September morning. And we have a lot of work to do.

Amen to that. :hail:

 

[sparks19]

I'm happy. Not because this is the end of the war, its not. Not because things will go back to the way they were before . . . they won't. I don't think half the damage done to our liberties and mindset, not to mention our world standing, will ever be fixed, at least not for a generation. I expect to be considered a "domestic extremist" (rolls eyes) for some time to come.

But now we can begin to heal. As Mike said last night . . . the war isn't over, but 9/11 is, finally, over. That's pretty much how I feel about it too. Finally, after almost ten years, we can move on from that terrible September morning. And we have a lot of work to do.

exactly. I doubt MOST people are happy because they think this is magically all over and everything will go back to normal as if it never happened. No definitely not but there are definitely reasons for people to be happy.

it doesnt' make them stupid or dim witted.

 

[Lilavati]

I frankly can think of no better legacy for the man:

White House: Osama Bin Laden Used Wife As Human Shield | TPMDC

For all his defiant words, he was a coward.

 

[Jules]

Maybe I don't understand because I am not American.. I am not sure. I don't know how this will heal any wounds inflicted by the death of a mother or father, child, brother or sister in 9/11. The longing for justice seems to have flown into a blast of euphoria and cheer- and when I look at the pictures of people celebrating, singing, being jubilant- it just seems that they have forgotten what it took to get there. Yes, you revenged the death of 3000 people... with the death of 6000 troops and countless innocent victims... it is perfectly fine to feel triumph, but when you are right out celebrating the death of one single man you seem to have forgotten about the rest. Like RTH said, it does not make you look better than the supporters in Libya tearing up American flags as we speak.

But this is just the way I personally feel... I don't know.. I should have shut up 3 pages ago.

 

[sparks19]

Closure.

Did i spell that right? It doesnt look right

Thats why people are happy. Closure is a powerful thing

 

[Lilavati]

Maybe I don't understand because I am not American.. I am not sure. I don't know how this will heal any wounds inflicted by the death of a mother or father, child, brother or sister in 9/11. The longing for justice seems to have flown into a blast of euphoria and cheer- and when I look at the pictures of people celebrating, singing, being jubilant- it just seems that they have forgotten what it took to get there. Yes, you revenged the death of 3000 people... with the death of 6000 troops and countless innocent victims... it is perfectly fine to feel triumph, but when you are right out celebrating the death of one single man you seem to have forgotten about the rest. Like RTH said, it does not make you look better than the supporters in Libya tearing up American flags as we speak.

But this is just the way I personally feel... I don't know.. I should have shut up 3 pages ago.

It won't heal any wounds. But it is closure. As I said before, it feels to a lot of us that 9/11 is over . .. because until now, in some strange sense, it wasn't over. This is a book end. We swore we'd get the man responsible, and now we have.

As for celebrating . .. all those other people died because of the man who was shot yesterday. No, it was not his sole responsibility. But had he not done what he had done, most of those people would still be alive . . not just our people, whether here or abroad, but all of the innocents caught in the crossfire. I suppose I should not have used the word "happy", though I was happy last night, just to see people celebrating. No, what I feel is more like grim satisfaction.

 

[Puckstop31]

Jules, people will ALWAYS hate America. ALWAYS. No matter what we do.

So, i'm glad we do what we do, ANYWAY.

If you live you life looking for the approval of others, you will ALWAYS be disappointed in the end. Similarly, you can only do so much to "appease" countries and people who live in ways 100% opposed to "yours".

 

[Beanie]

I already said this elsewhere but there are people who are VERY happy to see the murderer of their family member put to death under the death penalty. I've never been in that position so I don't know how I would feel: an eye for an eye, or an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind? Dunno. It doesn't bring that family member back to see somebody else put to death, no, but it sure does seem to satisfy other people's sense of justice.

9/11 was personal for a lot of people, including those who didn't directly lose someone in the towers. It was an attack on America, on American way of life, and attacking the World Trade Center was also a way to spit on anybody who was willing to work with America. It was "we hate you, we want to take you out, and we'll take your friends down while we're at it!" So even for somebody who didn't lose a brother, sister, father, mother, cousin, uncle, whatever... it still felt personal.

Also, isn't it possible that it's BECAUSE of all the deaths of soldiers and civilians and innocents that have been the result of this war on terror that this feels so good to some people? Maybe something like "now I know my cousin didn't die in vain, because we finally got the guy he went looking for?"

I don't like the idea of rejoicing in somebody's pain or wishing somebody dead, but I don't find it hard to understand how people are feeling in this case. That doesn't make it right or wrong how they are feeling or expressing their emotions, but I get it.

 

[SaraB]

It seems like some are suggesting we should have forgotten about him. Ignoring the specific facts, he was an internationally wanted mass murder suspect. Generally speaking, we don't let murderers hide out because they don't want to stand trial. He has been wanted by the FBI for at least half my life.

No, he was not operationally the leader of any new plans, but he was still part of the group trying to hold the various factions together. Even recently, he was releasing recordings of threats. While it might increase the threat to us for a while, it does show that we can find well hidden terrorist leaders, this would not be a good time to be #2 in their leadership.

Totally agree with this.

 

[JacksonsMom]

I already said this elsewhere but there are people who are VERY happy to see the murderer of their family member put to death under the death penalty. I've never been in that position so I don't know how I would feel: an eye for an eye, or an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind? Dunno. It doesn't bring that family member back to see somebody else put to death, no, but it sure does seem to satisfy other people's sense of justice.

9/11 was personal for a lot of people, including those who didn't directly lose someone in the towers. It was an attack on America, on American way of life, and attacking the World Trade Center was also a way to spit on anybody who was willing to work with America. It was "we hate you, we want to take you out, and we'll take your friends down while we're at it!" So even for somebody who didn't lose a brother, sister, father, mother, cousin, uncle, whatever... it still felt personal.

Also, isn't it possible that it's BECAUSE of all the deaths of soldiers and civilians and innocents that have been the result of this war on terror that this feels so good to some people? Maybe something like "now I know my cousin didn't die in vain, because we finally got the guy he went looking for?"

I don't like the idea of rejoicing in somebody's pain or wishing somebody dead, but I don't find it hard to understand how people are feeling in this case. That doesn't make it right or wrong how they are feeling or expressing their emotions, but I get it.

Totally this.

I KNOW this is on a *completely* different level... but my brother died in 2006. He drowned in a public pool and without getting into detail, there were MANY things done wrong that day. We went to court and sued the pool company (who basically never gave us a 'sorry for your loss' and blamed my brother himself for drowning and were total douchebags after it happened, etc) and we won. We felt like Connor hadn't died for nothing. Because of the lawsuit, we've been in the process of changing laws and we've helped a TON of people. So, while nothing will ever bring him back, I felt justice prevailed that day that we won.

Anyways, totally different, but same frame of mind. I can imagine that if I had a friend or family member that died on that day, I'd feel the same way about Osama finally being gone. Or if your family member was murdered and the murderer got away for 10yrs and then they FINALLY catch them. It's a good feeling.

 

[jess2416]

I already said this elsewhere but there are people who are VERY happy to see the murderer of their family member put to death under the death penalty. I've never been in that position so I don't know how I would feel: an eye for an eye, or an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind? Dunno. It doesn't bring that family member back to see somebody else put to death, no, but it sure does seem to satisfy other people's sense of justice.

9/11 was personal for a lot of people, including those who didn't directly lose someone in the towers. It was an attack on America, on American way of life, and attacking the World Trade Center was also a way to spit on anybody who was willing to work with America. It was "we hate you, we want to take you out, and we'll take your friends down while we're at it!" So even for somebody who didn't lose a brother, sister, father, mother, cousin, uncle, whatever... it still felt personal.

Also, isn't it possible that it's BECAUSE of all the deaths of soldiers and civilians and innocents that have been the result of this war on terror that this feels so good to some people? Maybe something like "now I know my cousin didn't die in vain, because we finally got the guy he went looking for?"

I don't like the idea of rejoicing in somebody's pain or wishing somebody dead, but I don't find it hard to understand how people are feeling in this case. That doesn't make it right or wrong how they are feeling or expressing their emotions, but I get it.

This ^^

 

[Lilavati]

News round up from around the world:

Bin Laden’s Death – Global News Roundup | The Moderate Voice

The different views are interesting.