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The idea that we should have left him alone out of fear of retribution is repugnant. Our fear of these people, notably wildly out of proportion to the threat they pose, has done far more harm than they could ever have done on their own, both to our standing in the world and to our way of life. The idea that we would let someone who masterminded the murder of nearly 3000 innocent people on American soil, not to mention thousands elsewhere escape because we fear the retribution of his (mostly incompetent) followers is the most revolting display of cowardice I've seen in awhile.

C'mon folks, they are terrorists. That's what they do: they spread fear. When you let them scare you, especially when you let them scare you out of proportion to the damage they could actually do, they win. If we'd left him alone, we would have been admitting that we were so scared of one sick old man (or his followers) that we would let him get away with mass murder. Disgraceful.
Couldn't possibley agree more....
 
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Who here suggested there wouldnt any repercussions from this?

Also the operation didnt start last August It started 4 years ago with Bush.
 

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I guess everyone grieves differently- and that is good.

Anyway, I am waiting for some "real" proof that he actually did die..
 

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"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." -Mahatma Gandhi.

Still on the fence about it....
 
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It's more like an eye for several thousand eyes though. The way I see it, he was quite vocal about his intent to keep trying to harm/kill other people. Making him dead means he won't have the chance. And maybe now the soldiers over in Afghanistan can come home.
 

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Yeah, I don't really see this as an eye for an eye. He didn't kill one person, or even a small number of people. He killed thousands, both in the US and elsewhere. He expressed his intent to kill more. Frankly, there's no way to "eye for a eye" that. Nor was there any doubt about his guilt.
 

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If its a numbers game I'd be interested to see how many people have died through direct action from the US in recent times. Including troops killed in action.

Me thinks its more than 3000.

Casualties of the Iraq War
 

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Human nature is human nature....

There will always be those who favor appeasement of those who do the world ill.

There will always be those who ask for swift (and sometimes overbearing) justice.


Sadly, history tells us appeasement of brutal people never works. History also tells us that the only real way a truly free people become not free, is for them to do it to themselves, often in the name of "getting along".

Free people always have and probably always will be, their own worst enemy.

(It wouldn't be a Puck post without a historical quote....) :)

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

This much we pledge—and more."

John Fitzgerald Kennedy
 

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If its a numbers game I'd be interested to see how many people have died through direct action from the US in recent times. Including troops killed in action.

Me thinks its more than 3000.

Casualties of the Iraq War
Its not the same thing. Not to diminish the casualties of US action, especially those of the Iraq war, which were totally unnecessary.

However, OBL and his followers deliberately attacked civilians. Civilians, it should be noted, that, at least on 9/11 hadn't the slightest idea that they were about to be attacked. There was no military objective to the attack on the Twin Towers (there arguably was with the Pentagon). They simply wanted to kill people. And they would do it again, and again, as they'd done it before, when they blew up holy sites and markets in Iraq and Afghanistan.

At our worst, even in Iraq, we were never deliberately trying to kill innocent people. We were at times careless, which is inexcusable, and some of our people committed terrible crimes, but that was not our policy. That's not to excuse the deaths and suffering we caused, only to point out that the deaths caused by our actions are the result of war (not to mention how many of the innocent people in Iraq (and Afghanistan) were killed by insurgents and terrorists . . . not by us). The Iraq war was a terrible, terrible mistake, and a violation of international law. But we never attacked thousands of people we knew to be civilians out of sheer malice. We never found a building full of innocent people, and said, "Lets blow that up, that'll show them." (and note that had it been later in the day, thousands more would have died in NY).

Let me also point out that OBL has claimed that he attacked us for the express purpose of making us go berserk and dragging us into a war in Afghanistan. Considering that there was no other possible response to 9/11 (there wasn't, not this world), how many of the deaths there should we lay on his head. (Really can't blame him for Iraq. That was all our stupidity).
 
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Human nature is human nature....

There will always be those who favor appeasement of those who do the world ill.

There will always be those who ask for swift (and sometimes overbearing) justice.


Sadly, history tells us appeasement of brutal people never works.
So true. I wonder how many deaths were the fault of Neville Chamberlain and his efforts at appeasement? How many would NOT have died had the Third Reich been confronted and stopped early on?
 

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Let's not forget that 9/11 isn't the only thing OBL can lay claim to - that just happens to be the most recent, and the most deadly.
 

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Let's not forget that 9/11 isn't the only thing OBL can lay claim to - that just happens to be the most recent, and the most deadly.
Most deadly, not most recent. AQ and its allies , with OBLs full knowledge and support, has been bombing people all over Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan. Marketplaces. Schools. Polling centers. Mosques. Not just attacking our soldiers, but attacking civilians. No, not all the insurgents and Taliban have connections to AQ, but some of them sure do.
 

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