John Green, Father of the Little Girl Killed in Tuscon, is my New Hero
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How about standing up for your rights in non violent ways? Start voting for 3rd parties. Heck what you get now isn't really much of a choice. Get involved. Don't just sit and complain? (not saying you do.. this is a more general 'you') Why do you need a gun to change your gov? Majority rules. You don't have a dictatorship... vote someone new in. Sure it might take a while, but faster than anarchy.
ETA: so why isn't great that you can choose to do all those other things I mentioned? (I mean here you still have a choice, just one is difficult and illegal) Why can't you choose in all states to marry the person you love? Why can't you choose to dump waste in your back yard?
Choice isn't the end all and be all if your choice endangers the life of others. My point is at what point is your right to choose dangerous activities that affect others (like carrying guns, speeding, drinking and driving...) is it ok, and not ok. I can kind of get the tradition angle.
ETA: so why isn't great that you can choose to do all those other things I mentioned? (I mean here you still have a choice, just one is difficult and illegal) Why can't you choose in all states to marry the person you love? Why can't you choose to dump waste in your back yard?
Choice isn't the end all and be all if your choice endangers the life of others. My point is at what point is your right to choose dangerous activities that affect others (like carrying guns, speeding, drinking and driving...) is it ok, and not ok. I can kind of get the tradition angle.
Well, your interests might change when police start being allowed (by passive people) to come busting down your door, forcing their way into your home with their swat suits and AK 47s raised.... with no probable cause, no warrant... because they think you might be the one who threw your cigarette butt out the car window back on the hwy. When they kick in your door to confiscate your reading material that is unlawful (because laws change with the times...*cough cough*) there you'll be, at their mercy. People need to uphold our constitution and keep the power in the hands of the citizens. And that means being within our rights to KILL anyone...with a gun... entering our homes without a warrant. Or creating a militia if it's necessary to prevent a gov. from over-taking the people. But yeah, you have that right to choose whether or not to keep a gun.
This good guy-bad guy thing is silly. That isn't even the main point. But I'll say it again. You're not going to stop drug trafficing. There are too many corrupt officials. You aren't going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. How can anyone willingly turn over their power to criminals and governements who act like criminals?
Now this time, I really am going. I have to do some chores. Stop being so interesting, will ya?
This good guy-bad guy thing is silly. That isn't even the main point. But I'll say it again. You're not going to stop drug trafficing. There are too many corrupt officials. You aren't going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. How can anyone willingly turn over their power to criminals and governements who act like criminals?
Now this time, I really am going. I have to do some chores. Stop being so interesting, will ya?
I do think you should be able to choose to marry who you want. as for dumping waste in your own backyard... that affects other people negatively (smell, run off, etc) unless you live way out in the boonies with no one around you that it will affect... then dump whatever you want.
How are the guns in my basement endangering anyone's life? They are just sitting there. They get taken out for hunting which I guess endangers an animals life but that's kind of the point if we plan to eat it. but who are they endangering right now? no one. who are they affecting negatively right now? no one.
But anyway my point was CP doesn't want to own a gun and it's nice that there is the option to choose
How are the guns in my basement endangering anyone's life? They are just sitting there. They get taken out for hunting which I guess endangers an animals life but that's kind of the point if we plan to eat it. but who are they endangering right now? no one. who are they affecting negatively right now? no one.
But anyway my point was CP doesn't want to own a gun and it's nice that there is the option to choose
The difference there is that if you're speeding/drinking and driving, you might try to brake/steer around whatever it is, but not be able to and now it's too late.
Carrying a gun has no effect on others and is not in itself dangerous.
Well, if it really does get to that point, I'll be moving in with Dekka...Snow and all.
Carrying a gun has no effect on others and is not in itself dangerous.
Well, if it really does get to that point, I'll be moving in with Dekka...Snow and all.
Oh well owning guns in your basement or for hunting.. is no biggie. Heck we can do that here.
I was discussing carrying guns around in public, the easy access to hand guns etc.
ETA.. wow.. OK. so having more guns in a population makes it no more likely to be shot with one? I am sorry but I have a hard time believing that. And would LOVE to see any stats that shows countries with more guns (legal) have less shootings. Or even less fatal/violent crime.
I was discussing carrying guns around in public, the easy access to hand guns etc.
ETA.. wow.. OK. so having more guns in a population makes it no more likely to be shot with one? I am sorry but I have a hard time believing that. And would LOVE to see any stats that shows countries with more guns (legal) have less shootings. Or even less fatal/violent crime.
But anyway my point was CP doesn't want to own a gun and it's nice that there is the option to choose
Sometimes it feels like I'm not sufficiently American for making the choice to not own one though.
While I do support the right to own a gun, I have a hard time thinking that it's really a good thing when there are shootings in this city almost daily.
John Lott's website
Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International Evidence
What_You_Dont_Know
As I said, there is no lack of statistics to back up either side - just go looking for it. It's really not hard to find.
Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International Evidence
What_You_Dont_Know
As I said, there is no lack of statistics to back up either side - just go looking for it. It's really not hard to find.
I can handle being burgled, but I'd rather not be shot.
I mean, if I have a choice
I mean, if I have a choice
The actual statistics comparing Australian and American crime rates are very interesting. Most sources conclude that the Australian gun ban had little to no effect on murders, as they followed the same highs and lows American crime trends did, in some cases within a couple hundredths of a percent. Other violent crimes rose pretty drastically.
Just one link, but there are others.
AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN
My hunch is that if there are fewer illegal guns, then you'll have less gun crime.
I don't think legal guns are a significant part of the gun problem, and its very rare to hear of someone legally carrying a handgun committing a crime (And if they do, its usually not a random crime).
The problem is, no one has yet figured out a good way to reduce the number of illegal guns . . . yes, there's some bleed over from the legal ones, but that's probably not the main source.
Frankly, my personal beliefs aside, I think that a serious gun ban in the US would be futile. People who are inclined to obey the lay would get rid of their guns . . . but they wouldn't be the people who comitted gun crimes anyway. The crminals would still have guns. A bunch of otherwise law abiding citizens who believe in gun rights would suddenly become criminals . . . and THE NUMBER OF GUNS WOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME. They wouldn't go anywhere . . . . and more would migrate into the hands of criminals. I suspect that if you had fewer guns to start with, a gun ban might have some meaningful effect (see, e.g. Japan). But here, forget it.
So, even leaving aside American culture and the Second Amendment, I see no reason to make a bunch of law abiding citizens who like guns into criminals.
I don't think legal guns are a significant part of the gun problem, and its very rare to hear of someone legally carrying a handgun committing a crime (And if they do, its usually not a random crime).
The problem is, no one has yet figured out a good way to reduce the number of illegal guns . . . yes, there's some bleed over from the legal ones, but that's probably not the main source.
Frankly, my personal beliefs aside, I think that a serious gun ban in the US would be futile. People who are inclined to obey the lay would get rid of their guns . . . but they wouldn't be the people who comitted gun crimes anyway. The crminals would still have guns. A bunch of otherwise law abiding citizens who believe in gun rights would suddenly become criminals . . . and THE NUMBER OF GUNS WOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME. They wouldn't go anywhere . . . . and more would migrate into the hands of criminals. I suspect that if you had fewer guns to start with, a gun ban might have some meaningful effect (see, e.g. Japan). But here, forget it.
So, even leaving aside American culture and the Second Amendment, I see no reason to make a bunch of law abiding citizens who like guns into criminals.
I just think gun licenses are essay to easily accessible. And I don't get why people feel the need to go watch a movie with a gun in their pocket. But that's just a cultural difference.
What gets me are parents playing the victim card when their 5 year old gets a hold of the gun and shots his little sibling. That us YOUR own **** fault if you can't secure your gun properly. People that I know handle them way too casually. You want a gun for your protection in case someone breaks in at night? Well, keeping a loaded gun in your night stand us not the way to go. If you have a gun, be responsible and respectful.
What gets me are parents playing the victim card when their 5 year old gets a hold of the gun and shots his little sibling. That us YOUR own **** fault if you can't secure your gun properly. People that I know handle them way too casually. You want a gun for your protection in case someone breaks in at night? Well, keeping a loaded gun in your night stand us not the way to go. If you have a gun, be responsible and respectful.