We don't need gun control
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First off, the fork would have to come in contact with your body, meaning the stabber would have to be close to you. So, they get one stab in, and you have a good chance of kicking/hitting/head butting them away from you.
If someone were to shoot you, they could be a good distance away. They can fire a shot, see you're injured, and then fire away again.
Not to mention, they can kill you on the first shot.
If someone were to shoot you, they could be a good distance away. They can fire a shot, see you're injured, and then fire away again.
Not to mention, they can kill you on the first shot.
They can make something that will do the same thing.
My middle school almost got blown up by one of the kids in a different grade then me because he found the plans and made a bomb. Would have cleared a entire building of the middle school (2 story, 3 wings) Luckily he told someone something and he got caught.
My middle school almost got blown up by one of the kids in a different grade then me because he found the plans and made a bomb. Would have cleared a entire building of the middle school (2 story, 3 wings) Luckily he told someone something and he got caught.
No, a gun will not jump up and magically shoot. But when kids are messing around with a gun, and the gun accidentally goes off because someone thought there were "no bullets" in it, or because the safety was "supposed to be on" and someone dies....they're gonna wish it had been a fork they were messing around with, and not a gun.
I fully believe in having guns be legal for protection, especially for women who live alone (or to keep in a car or something, in case of a robbery or kidnapping), but I don't think owning a gun should be quite as easy as it is now. Sure, they can be fun - my dad, and brother, and sister used to shoot a pellet gun at paper plates when we were kids - but they are deadly. And much more so than any other weapon that you can get so easily.
I fully believe in having guns be legal for protection, especially for women who live alone (or to keep in a car or something, in case of a robbery or kidnapping), but I don't think owning a gun should be quite as easy as it is now. Sure, they can be fun - my dad, and brother, and sister used to shoot a pellet gun at paper plates when we were kids - but they are deadly. And much more so than any other weapon that you can get so easily.
you know it's really hard to get your hands on a set of keys and drive a car into a group of people at a rally.
yes a gun makes it easier. But people have been killing others for quite a long time, guns or no guns, in all sorts of creative ways. you can't stop crazy, and if crazy can get a gun, I want one too. I want one anyway. I do hunt for food, and like to shoot, just to shoot.
yes a gun makes it easier. But people have been killing others for quite a long time, guns or no guns, in all sorts of creative ways. you can't stop crazy, and if crazy can get a gun, I want one too. I want one anyway. I do hunt for food, and like to shoot, just to shoot.
You would think with all of these health care debates and all of the issues with shootings and mentally ill people killing with guns/knives/whatever, that they would reinstate state hospitals.
I think it was regan that got rid of them. Not a good idea. There are good meds out there but it does not mean all people will take them. Some people need observed for their safety AND the publics safety. With the cost of readmission to medicare/medicaid it would likely be cost effective.Not to mention the cost to saving lives. Look at the serial killer here in cleveland and so many countless people turned out daily who there is nothing to really be done for them.
Yet its the guns fault................
I think it was regan that got rid of them. Not a good idea. There are good meds out there but it does not mean all people will take them. Some people need observed for their safety AND the publics safety. With the cost of readmission to medicare/medicaid it would likely be cost effective.Not to mention the cost to saving lives. Look at the serial killer here in cleveland and so many countless people turned out daily who there is nothing to really be done for them.
Yet its the guns fault................
This boils down to FSCKING MORONS. No responsible person A) leaves a gun just lying around much less B) leaves a loaded gun lying around, especially when C) there are ignorant children around. And I say "ignorant" deliberately, because if they had been properly taught about guns and safe handling techniques, they would have checked to see if the safety was on, if the gun was loaded or would have never touched it in the first place, much less been messing around with pointing it at someone else. That was Rule #1 about gun safety I was taught: NEVER EVER EVER EVER point a gun at someone else, even if you are 10000% positive it's unloaded with the safety on. You just don't do that.
We could ban guns, bring back the longbow and broadswords. Then we'd still have people dying and everyone would be crying for guns again so they could take out the berserker with a giant blade cutting people in half from a safe distance.
I say we just go back to muzzle loaders.
We could ban guns, bring back the longbow and broadswords. Then we'd still have people dying and everyone would be crying for guns again so they could take out the berserker with a giant blade cutting people in half from a safe distance.
I say we just go back to muzzle loaders.
"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." -- Second Amendment, United States Constitution
"That the citizens of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defense; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms with a view to prevent crime." -- Tennessee Constitution, Article I - Declaration of Rights, Section 26
Across our nation a debate rages about "gun control". This euphemism glosses over the fact that what is being debated is one of the most precious guarantors of liberty, the right to keep and bear arms. At the heart of this debate is not whether the right to keep and bears arms is an individual right or not, but at its core the debate is over the primacy of the individual over the primacy of the government. This debate rages because many, too many, in this country have forgotten, or, worse, have never been educated in, the nature of our rights.
Government and liberty are natural adversaries. The founders of our nation understood this. With that understanding in mind they crafted a Constitution and a Bill of Rights designed to limit the power of government and guarantee the rights of the people. The rights that they intended to protect were those written about in the Declaration of Independence and other un-enumerated rights, e.g. the natural, inalienable rights of man.
The Basis of Our Rights:
Point 1: Government does not grant rights. If we were to assign to government the authority to grant rights, then we would also have to acknowledge the government's power to take rights away. Surely, we can all see the dangers of allowing governments formed by men being in the position of assigning our rights to us. Today's right would be tomorrow's crime. Such is the quixotic nature of mankind. The reason we have a Republic and not a pure democracy is because the founders of this country understood the tyrannical nature of a pure democracy. Rather than trusting the wisdom of men, our founders looked to another source as the basis of our rights… the Creator of the Universe.
Let us examine this quote from the Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."
Our Founding Fathers stated unequivocally that our rights came not from men, nor governments, but from our Creator. Since our rights are from our Creator and therefore preceded the founding of this country, the government has no authority to deprive us of our rights no matter how unpopular they might become with the government, or even the majority of the people. The Declaration of Independence continues:
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,..."
and continues:
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness...."
It is clear from the above that our government does not grant us our rights, but rather was formed to ensure our rights; and when our government fails in its duties to effectively secure our rights, we have the right to abolish that government and form a new one that will effectively ensure our rights.
It is quite obvious from our Constitution, that our government was set up to protect God-given rights, which should be the case for all nations. Governments seem to be in the business to take away the rights of its citizens, which ours seems hell bent on doing.
"That the citizens of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defense; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms with a view to prevent crime." -- Tennessee Constitution, Article I - Declaration of Rights, Section 26
Across our nation a debate rages about "gun control". This euphemism glosses over the fact that what is being debated is one of the most precious guarantors of liberty, the right to keep and bear arms. At the heart of this debate is not whether the right to keep and bears arms is an individual right or not, but at its core the debate is over the primacy of the individual over the primacy of the government. This debate rages because many, too many, in this country have forgotten, or, worse, have never been educated in, the nature of our rights.
Government and liberty are natural adversaries. The founders of our nation understood this. With that understanding in mind they crafted a Constitution and a Bill of Rights designed to limit the power of government and guarantee the rights of the people. The rights that they intended to protect were those written about in the Declaration of Independence and other un-enumerated rights, e.g. the natural, inalienable rights of man.
The Basis of Our Rights:
Point 1: Government does not grant rights. If we were to assign to government the authority to grant rights, then we would also have to acknowledge the government's power to take rights away. Surely, we can all see the dangers of allowing governments formed by men being in the position of assigning our rights to us. Today's right would be tomorrow's crime. Such is the quixotic nature of mankind. The reason we have a Republic and not a pure democracy is because the founders of this country understood the tyrannical nature of a pure democracy. Rather than trusting the wisdom of men, our founders looked to another source as the basis of our rights… the Creator of the Universe.
Let us examine this quote from the Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."
Our Founding Fathers stated unequivocally that our rights came not from men, nor governments, but from our Creator. Since our rights are from our Creator and therefore preceded the founding of this country, the government has no authority to deprive us of our rights no matter how unpopular they might become with the government, or even the majority of the people. The Declaration of Independence continues:
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,..."
and continues:
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness...."
It is clear from the above that our government does not grant us our rights, but rather was formed to ensure our rights; and when our government fails in its duties to effectively secure our rights, we have the right to abolish that government and form a new one that will effectively ensure our rights.
It is quite obvious from our Constitution, that our government was set up to protect God-given rights, which should be the case for all nations. Governments seem to be in the business to take away the rights of its citizens, which ours seems hell bent on doing.
Meh, it's natural selection in action. Does it suck the kid died? Yah, very much so. But kids can be taught gun safety. I was. Was taught to check the safety, check the magazine, clear the chamber, clean the gun, and so on from the age of...7 or so? Had to be strong enough to pull the slide back before my dad would let me even handle the gun myself. Up until that time it was just the basics of where the safety is, where the magazine catch is, and so on. Never had the desire to show off my parents' guns.
They weren't forbidden enough to really make it a 'cool toy' or however people want to paint them. I could ask my dad at pretty much any time I wanted to see it and he'd get it out for me, so why would I bother sneaking in to look at it myself?
So yah, fail to teach your kids proper gun handling and there may be tragedy down the road. It'll be no one's fault but your own.
And that's not to say that legit accidents don't happen even with well-trained people, because they do, but then again, we're all trained to drive cars and you can see how well that goes on the nightly news.
They weren't forbidden enough to really make it a 'cool toy' or however people want to paint them. I could ask my dad at pretty much any time I wanted to see it and he'd get it out for me, so why would I bother sneaking in to look at it myself?
So yah, fail to teach your kids proper gun handling and there may be tragedy down the road. It'll be no one's fault but your own.
And that's not to say that legit accidents don't happen even with well-trained people, because they do, but then again, we're all trained to drive cars and you can see how well that goes on the nightly news.
Heh. When I was 11 or 12 or so my mom bought a revolver for home defense. I'd grown up around guns, but we'd never had a big old handgun like that before. (literally . . it was a used police revolver). Mom made me pick it up and handle it so that it wouldn't seem cool, or a toy. Even tried to make me go out and shoot it . . .but I didn't want to. Its not very cool when your parent tries to make you do it 
Yup I was taught it's always loaded. Always.
"But I just took the clip out and checked the chamb-"
"Always loaded."
"But I just checked it"
"ALWAYS LOADED!!!!!!"
lol like "CONSTANT VIGILANCE"
And of course you always point a loaded gun in the safest direction. Not at anything living that you don't want dead and never at the floor if you're upstairs etc.
Safety is always on but never relied upon... it's never an excuse to point it in an unsafe direction.
"But I just took the clip out and checked the chamb-"
"Always loaded."
"But I just checked it"
"ALWAYS LOADED!!!!!!"
lol like "CONSTANT VIGILANCE"
And of course you always point a loaded gun in the safest direction. Not at anything living that you don't want dead and never at the floor if you're upstairs etc.
Safety is always on but never relied upon... it's never an excuse to point it in an unsafe direction.