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THe lady that saved victor has had a campaign to spay and neuter 100 animals in the small town she moved into that was simply over run. I don't know all the specifics, but somehow she got donations to do this and she and her crew spent their time trapping and then releasing. I believe that once a feral cat has been fixed and released it defends it's territory all the same and the population problem decreases. If you kill the cat another one is just going to come in and take up residency and your right back where you started.
Entitled to what??
Give my animal the life I think it deserves? I don't keep my cats inside because I don't WANT to, and not because I think they are angels.
It's not about it not bothering me, it's about it NEVER happening.
Maybe US cats are half ninja or something, but I have NEVER ever come across people saying cats get into their rubbish before this very moment.
As for people petting cats and getting scratched - hello?? Do you go up to unknown dogs and stroke them? That is like lesson #1 as a child - NEVER touch an animal you don't know.
As for animals being killed - note the journal link I posted.
As for fouling - well..... yes, cats aren't angels. We provide ours with litter trays, and I can tell you 1st hand, they use them over going outdoors. I can't account for other people.
Our cats choose to spend the MAJORITY of their time indoors. But, they also choose to go outdoors as they please during the day, just like everyone elses.
Accidents can happen, they can go missing. But it's a risk assessment.
Cats are NOT dogs, just like dogs are NOT hamsters.
I don't keep my dog in a cage, and I don't keep my cat confined to the indoors it's entire life.
Don't get me wrong, some cats NEED to be confined. But to say I am ignorant or willfully disrespectful is utter bull.
Cats always have gone outdoors, and for me, they always will. A cat who gets to climb trees and sunbathe on top of the shed, is a happy cat in my eyes - end of story.
I am not going to defend the fact that I am HAPPY I have cats which can express natural behaviours and ENJOY going outdoors....
To be blunt (which seems flavour of the thread) - my cats will always go outdoors, I think the things you talk about are unfortunate, but not significant or common enough for me to be worried, not based on MY cats but on my EXPERIENCES of cats I have known, met or encountered randomly.
For people who LOVE to bandy about BSL and freedoms, you sure want to confine what I can do with "beloved kitty cat".
My cat, my neighbours cats have little to NO impact on yours or anyones lives. If they did, I am sure people would be arguing to keep them indoors, as would I.
So......... You can keep your opinions, I just don't agree with them one bit
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Is a cat smashed into the street a happy cat in your eyes?
Are bits and pieces of squirrels, song birds and other various wild animals left on your door mat or under a bird feeder pleasant for you?
The UK may be the Outdoor Cat Capital of the world, but it's clearly not the same here which is what every one else is discussing. Where it IS a problem.
Just for shits and giggles today, I counted the number of different cats in my yard. Twelve. Tomorrow I'll take a picture of the tires on my van. They're covered in ****. I'll also take a picture of the half a squirrel I found in my bushes, or the cats hanging out on a branch by my bird feeder.
But then again, why bother? You only hear what you want to hear.
*shrugs*
Over the years, I've had 5 cats...usually just about 2 at a time. I lived on 5 acres and my cats never left the property except for Priscilla. When I'd walk down my long driveway and go have coffee with my neighbor, Priscilla would follow me and would sit out on the neighbor's porch looking in the window, waiting for me. When I left to go back home, she'd follow right along with me. She was an inside/outside cat. It was normal back then for cats to be outside. I didn't think about keeping her or my others exclusively indoors.
I've since changed my mind. We live and learn. 3 out of 5 of my cats at various times through about a 10 year period just disappeared. They'd sit out and bask in the sun next to my barn...just pretty much hung around the property. I'd lock them up at night but they would still spend some time outside. I'm quite certain that a coyote got them. Another neighbor heard their own cat making a horrible ruckus and it was a coyote after him. I tried keeping the remaining cats inside but invariably someone would let them slip out the door. My two original cats, Priscilla and Rainbeau managed to stay alive clear until I moved to Idaho and died of old age at around 18 years old. But my 3 other precious little ones didn't make it. It was not a happy ending for them and it was not a happy ending for me. I spent weeks wandering around in the woods calling for each cat each time this happened. I imagined I heard them, but didn't. It was a big mistake thinking that it was okay to let them be "natural" and enjoy the outdoors.
I'll never have a cat again for other reasons. But if I were to, it would have to be an inside only cat. They can have fun and interesting things to do inside just fine. They make wonderful, cool stuff for cats to entertain themselves. I know it's hard to keep them in once they've tasted the outdoors. But if started young, (if one starts out with a kitten) they can get in the habit of inside only if they're never let out.
I also experienced nuisance cats when I lived in a smaller neighborhood without acreage. They'd come dig up my vegetable garden which took time, hard work and money to create. I'd get cat poo on my hands while pulling weeds. They came and sprayed on my screen door and harrassed my dog. I totally agree that it is every bit as inconsiderate and irresponsible to let cats wander all over the neighborhood bothering people as it is to let dogs wander all over....particularly in smaller neighborhoods where there are a lot of people living close together. Cats are considered an invasive species and they should, as such be kept indoors.
I've since changed my mind. We live and learn. 3 out of 5 of my cats at various times through about a 10 year period just disappeared. They'd sit out and bask in the sun next to my barn...just pretty much hung around the property. I'd lock them up at night but they would still spend some time outside. I'm quite certain that a coyote got them. Another neighbor heard their own cat making a horrible ruckus and it was a coyote after him. I tried keeping the remaining cats inside but invariably someone would let them slip out the door. My two original cats, Priscilla and Rainbeau managed to stay alive clear until I moved to Idaho and died of old age at around 18 years old. But my 3 other precious little ones didn't make it. It was not a happy ending for them and it was not a happy ending for me. I spent weeks wandering around in the woods calling for each cat each time this happened. I imagined I heard them, but didn't. It was a big mistake thinking that it was okay to let them be "natural" and enjoy the outdoors.
I'll never have a cat again for other reasons. But if I were to, it would have to be an inside only cat. They can have fun and interesting things to do inside just fine. They make wonderful, cool stuff for cats to entertain themselves. I know it's hard to keep them in once they've tasted the outdoors. But if started young, (if one starts out with a kitten) they can get in the habit of inside only if they're never let out.
I also experienced nuisance cats when I lived in a smaller neighborhood without acreage. They'd come dig up my vegetable garden which took time, hard work and money to create. I'd get cat poo on my hands while pulling weeds. They came and sprayed on my screen door and harrassed my dog. I totally agree that it is every bit as inconsiderate and irresponsible to let cats wander all over the neighborhood bothering people as it is to let dogs wander all over....particularly in smaller neighborhoods where there are a lot of people living close together. Cats are considered an invasive species and they should, as such be kept indoors.
I wouldn't care to be honest. There are already dogs that do wander and do that. (Other than the garbage can part..as ours our really big trash cans, that trust me..no animal can get in. But since MY cats don't do that to other people's property..because i KNOW my neighbors, and we have conversations related to cats...
That sucks a cat did that to your stuff. Wasn't my cat..so i don't see why you **** everyone who lets their cats outside.
They by all means, do what you have to do. But again...Just because you have cats in your area damaging your property, and being a nuisance..Doesn't mean other cat owners should be blamed.
It would bother me if my cats were causing damage to other people's property. That is why I have a connection with my neighbors. If my cats did anything to their property..They would let us know. And what would we do? Work something out. Whether we banned a certain cat from going outside, and/or paid for the damage.
I in NO way am an irresponsible cat owner.
Since you obviously am not a neighbor of mine, you can't assume that EVERY cat that goes outside is going to go scratch someones car, crap in someone's yard (For one..Who cares. Its just poop, I do weekly yard maintenance, and that takes care of any piles of crap that haven't dissolved from the rain.).
Because a pitbull is a pitbull, does it automatically attack people? No...but hey, many, many people have had personal experiences where they have, and do. SO they think ALL pitbulls are killers.
because a cat goes outside, does that AUTOMATICALLY assume its a nuisance who craps in other people's yards, and causes damage to other people's property? No..but hey, lots of people have had that personal experience.
ALL cases are different.
That sucks a cat did that to your stuff. Wasn't my cat..so i don't see why you **** everyone who lets their cats outside.
They by all means, do what you have to do. But again...Just because you have cats in your area damaging your property, and being a nuisance..Doesn't mean other cat owners should be blamed.
It would bother me if my cats were causing damage to other people's property. That is why I have a connection with my neighbors. If my cats did anything to their property..They would let us know. And what would we do? Work something out. Whether we banned a certain cat from going outside, and/or paid for the damage.
I in NO way am an irresponsible cat owner.
Since you obviously am not a neighbor of mine, you can't assume that EVERY cat that goes outside is going to go scratch someones car, crap in someone's yard (For one..Who cares. Its just poop, I do weekly yard maintenance, and that takes care of any piles of crap that haven't dissolved from the rain.).
Because a pitbull is a pitbull, does it automatically attack people? No...but hey, many, many people have had personal experiences where they have, and do. SO they think ALL pitbulls are killers.
because a cat goes outside, does that AUTOMATICALLY assume its a nuisance who craps in other people's yards, and causes damage to other people's property? No..but hey, lots of people have had that personal experience.
ALL cases are different.
Its ok to let your animal free as long as no one is bothered?
This is important:
http://veggierevolution.blogspot.com/2007/05/cats-are-invasive-species.html
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-invasive-species.htm
About half of all endangered species are being further reduced by invasive species, consisting of both animals and plants. Cats included. Letting cats roam outside is contributing to the ecosystem's destruction.
http://veggierevolution.blogspot.com/2007/05/cats-are-invasive-species.html
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-invasive-species.htm
About half of all endangered species are being further reduced by invasive species, consisting of both animals and plants. Cats included. Letting cats roam outside is contributing to the ecosystem's destruction.
I have no choice, if I want my cats alive they must be kept in....
We have a high coyote population and if a cat stays out after dark (Even sometimes during the day) They rarely come back. The farm across from me has always had at least 3 barn cats and he has lost all his.....
So cars and aggravations aside, we do not have the option to leave them out anymore, at all.
We have a high coyote population and if a cat stays out after dark (Even sometimes during the day) They rarely come back. The farm across from me has always had at least 3 barn cats and he has lost all his.....
So cars and aggravations aside, we do not have the option to leave them out anymore, at all.
Yes and coyotes can be found just about anywhere. I live now in an extreme wilderness area. I mean I have thousands of acres adjacent to me which is forest service land. And all around...all the way to Montana is mostly forest. It is so wild and there is so much wild life. But you know what? I hardly ever see a coyote but hear them sometimes. I see deer less frequently than I did in my old place where it was still very countryish but more populated than here. I saw deer and coyote all the time there. Here, there is plenty of habitat and usually a good food source and they don't see a need to come around too much. Sometimes bear because they learn what works...people who leave garbage or pet food outside and they can get very bold. But if anyone lives in the suburbs or semi-rural areas, that's probably even more likely to have coyotes come around after cats and small dogs. Those animals are often desperate. And then there are always cars or big dogs that could kill a cat.
Disagree. I live in a rural area, and it's no more acceptable for a cat to be in my yard here than in the city. I see less of them here because of the stray dogs and coyotes, but in the almost-a-year that we've been living here, we've already had one problem cat. Just because they have the space, that doesn't mean they still don't create problems. We probably just don't hear about it as much because folks out here just shoot the dang things. (No animal control.)
I have the same. And came out today to see it tipped on its side, and trash pulled out of it. (It's a bit full.) I don't know what manner of animal got into it, but it's a fair bet that it was a loose one.
I have the same. And came out today to see it tipped on its side, and trash pulled out of it. (It's a bit full.) I don't know what manner of animal got into it, but it's a fair bet that it was a loose one.
Isn't it funny how people concerned with what THEY can do, and it's noone elses business (BSL, crating, Ecollars) are so concerned with what cat owners do?
Maybe I should go outside and take pictures of my intact tires, my intact rubbish bins, my bird feeder and bird bath, the unscratched children in my neighbourhood and post that as proof?
But, why bother eh, noone will listen anyway.
*shrug*
Maybe I should go outside and take pictures of my intact tires, my intact rubbish bins, my bird feeder and bird bath, the unscratched children in my neighbourhood and post that as proof?
But, why bother eh, noone will listen anyway.
*shrug*
Blah blah blah. If I put an e-collar on YOU, you should care. The things you've mentioned -- crating and the like -- are things that people do with their own animals that have absolutely no impact on a person walking down the street or living next door. Vice versa, if your cat poops in my flowerbed and I touch the poop while digging in it, that absolutely can affect me, and not just in the "ew" sense. Your personal situation where your cats know all the ins and outs of local laws and are super courteous about not being cats does not justify everyone doing it.
BSL is another animal entirely. It does not govern based on courtesy to one's neighbor. It governs based on fear. If there was a law that said I had to keep my dogs on my property or on a leash, that's just common sense. If BSL treated all dogs equally -- in which case it wouldn't be BSL -- I would agree with it. We're treating all cat owners equally here, so it's not the same.
BSL is another animal entirely. It does not govern based on courtesy to one's neighbor. It governs based on fear. If there was a law that said I had to keep my dogs on my property or on a leash, that's just common sense. If BSL treated all dogs equally -- in which case it wouldn't be BSL -- I would agree with it. We're treating all cat owners equally here, so it's not the same.
Cat enclusures are a safe way to let your cats have access to the outdoors without bothering your neighbors.
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