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[sillysally]

A cat isn't going to run up to a dog being walked down the street, and claw it. I have heard similiar cases of people's dogs being scratched by neighbor's cats too..but why you ask? Because the owner of the dog let it get really close to a cat that didn't belong to them. If I let my dogs go up to my next door neighbor's cats (Who were not raised with dogs) they would scratch the **** out of my dogs face!

A mailman isn't going to be afraid of a cat sleeping on its bed on the porch (My mail lady likes to pet my cats when shes on my porch), but a mailman WOULD be afraid of a dog sitting on a front porch.

Sally got the crap scratched out of her when she tangled with a neighborhood cat. The cat was on *our* property inside *our* fenced yard. Sally was bleeding from several wounds on her head--one of them was a bite that went straight through her ear.

Sorry, but we have loose cats all over our neighborhood and they drive me insane. They drive both my dogs and indoor cats nuts when they see them outside (in our yard). They **** all around our front steps. When my cousin was little outdoor cats used to use her kids' *sandbox* as a litter box. it was repulsive and unsanitary.

 

[Bahamutt99]

That or building a nice outside run for your cat. I always wanted to do that.

A groomer I know did that. She has a kennel with a top outside next to her shop. A hole goes through the wall into a large dog crate inside so the cats can get in at night. When there are dogs in the shop, they stay out in their pen.

Some cat people sure have a sense of entitlement.

Ding ding ding! You said it more to-the-point than I could've.

When my cousin was little outdoor cats used to use her kids' *sandbox* as a litter box. it was repulsive and unsanitary.

Many excellent points in this thread. I get the feeling that loose cats are the reason sandboxes started having lids put on them. I was a little kid and had one of those green turtle sandboxes. If someone forgot to put the lid on, I wasn't allowed to use the sandbox. It sucked. Not to mention toxoplasmosis from cat crap can kill you, and little kids don't know any better.

 

[Lilavati]

There are places for indoor cats, and there are places for outdoor cats. My parents, my grandmother, and my aunt and uncle all live on farms, fairly far from the road, with lots of outdoor shelter options, not a lot of neighbors, and, of course, vermin that get into the livestock feed. They have outdoor and indoor/outdoor cats (with the exception of my mother's 19 year old cat who is no longer allowed outdoors). The cats like to go out, they serve a purpose out there, and they don't bother anyone else. They typically don't get close to the road, and there's never been one lost to a wild animal (probably because they have safe places to go at night). I don't like it when rescues refuse to adopt to such people, especially when the cats where feral or barn cats to begin with.

That said, I live in a near suburb to DC, in a duplex. There are lots of roads here. There are occasional loose dogs, coyotes, and racoons, and no barns in sight. THere are gardens and sandboxes. My cats are strictly indoors, and they should be. Its not safe out there for them. Although I don't lecture my neighbors on the issue (and its legal) their cats should not be wandering around outdoors either.

Its all context. There are places where cats should definately not be outdoors (here); places where its fine (rural areas) and places where its probably acceptable, if not desirable (more spread out and open suburbs).

 

[goosey]

I went to a fly ball comp a while ago and they were promoting greyhound adoption there, but they were doing a really good job, their greyhounds were so nice and well looked after. They explained in full detail the way that some greyhounds are treated before they got them, and what a greyhound requires in terms of exercisers ext. They did a really good job, it's disappointing when they don't.

 

[Dizzy]

All these things you're listing - cat's scratching strangers/eating rubbish/destroying rubbish/leaving parasites/fouling.....

Well, if a cat isn't well fed, wormed, flea'd, vaccinated, socialised and has it's own litter tray EXERT SOME COMMON SENSE.

Like I ALREADY said once.

If people are letting their flea ridden, mangey, hungry and destructive cats run loose, then yes, I'd be pissed off.

I live in an area which is close to lots of houses.

You're unlikely to have a day when you don't see a cat. I KNOW all the neighbourhood cats - there's grey and fluffy, tabby, black and white fluffy, smokey grey small, black and white short - to name a FEW.

Oddly enough, having owned this house (parents) for 22 years, we are yet to report a cat attacking us or ripping open our rubbish bags (which we don't just leave lying around for starters!!!!).

I'd be more convinced if the thing you were stating were common occurances.

I'm more likely to have a bird poo on my head than an incident with a well loved in/out cat.

 

[Dakotah]

I think she means in terms of opening the door, letting the critter outside, and then shutting the door behind it and not bothering about it until it's nighttime and the critter wants back inside after being out all day.

Thanks that what I meant.


(sorry I am late replying lol)

 

[HoundedByHounds]

I'd be more convinced if the thing you were stating were common occurances.

Dizzy how do you define common? Once a week? twice? Our trash man comes TWICE a week and yes the cats KNOW the schedule and they WAIT for the bags to be put out. You must think cats are dumb or something? Hello? twice a week...how's that for often? These cats are "loved" they wear collars with tags like that somehow excuses them. They STILL ruin property and cause a nuisance...period.

Lordy the blinders some people wear to excuse themselves.

Our housecat is well fed and she will STILL grab a chicken wing off the counter Dizzy..cats are opportunists, and they eat things that smell good just because of that...not because they are starving or somehow lacking in some esoteric area of their life. :rofl1:

 

[Maxy24]

I think it's important to remember that nearly everyone in the UK lets their cats outside. It's a difference of culture. I understand there is less danger to an outdoor cat in the UK than there is to a cat in the USA. As far as being a nuisance goes I don't know why it would be any different, I imagine cats still hang out on their cars, soil their gardens and sand boxes etc. but perhaps it is simply something they accept.

My cats stay inside so they don't get run over, stolen, eaten or catch diseases or parasites. Getting eaten would be the most common one around here, coyotes and fisher cats take quite a few.

We don't have many cats that go outside around me so they don't bother me directly and when I see what some people let happen to their indoor cats (as far as lack of exercise and stimulation) I wish their cats could go out. But I would never allow my own cats out.

Along with the nuisances mentioned I also have heard many times, of people whose indoor cats go insane spraying the house or having redirected aggression onto other cats in the house and people when their is a cat in their yard or if a cat has sprayed in the yard and they can smell it. It's quite a predicament since you can't prevent your cat from being affected and it's unlikely you can convince the owner to keep the cat in (if you even know who the owner is).

 

[Punkygirl0101]

Our trash cans are big, hard plastic cans on wheels. Cats can't get into that.

No wild animals around here to eat cats.

Nobody steals cats around here lol. Cats are very "plentiful". No need for anyone to steal cats. Not to mention mine won't just walk up to random people.

There are ferals and strays all over, and the cat hoarder who doesn't spay or neuter her cats I mentioned..and our neighborhood doesn't have some certain cat urine odor. Things outside can be washed.

I even have a pond in the backyard that doesn't get bothered by any cats.

To say "Anyone who lets their cats outside are horrible...and my cats are obviously more loved because they are strictly indoor" is rediculous. Situations and locations vary. Mine happens to be a situation where my cats have to be indoor/outdoor (And they cause no harm to anyone, cause they really only go outside to potty, IN MY YARD. Its not like I throw each one out and lock the door. They choose to spend most of their time lounging around the house, cause they ARE house cats. They just happen to go outside when they please.). And my location is a desirable place for cats to be allowed outside.

 

[Miakoda]

I want honest answers here:

What would you cat people do if my dog was constantly rummaging through your trash bins, killing birds and leaving the remains in your yard, peeing on your vehicles, pooping on your porch and harrassing your cat? Hmmmm?

Oh, & as far as occurrances go, just a single time of using the hood of my car as a scratching post is more than enough. Why is it ok to allow it to happen if it's a rare thing? Just remember that because it doesn't harm you or your precious kitty any, it's costing people actual money for the damage done by your cat!

For instance, I sold my Camaro but the damage from the cats' claws all on the hood, the top and the spoiler would've cost me approx. $1,800 to fix (to have the parts sanded down and repainted). But because of having that many panels painted, I would've had to repaint the entire car so that the paint would all match, which it did in the first place so I have every right to want that again, and that was going to cost me approx. $4,000.

We had to buy a new grill cover. That was $100. My neighbors had to buy a new plant tarp that they use for when it freezes and that was also approx. $100.

The fact that my dogs are barking all night long at the cats sitting outside my garage door...on my vehicles no less.....is pissing everyone off.

**sigh**

I give up. Too many people do feel entitled because they don't witness the things happen thus they cannot possibly be happening by their precious kittycat. Plus it doesn't bother them so what in the hell do they care for...........

 

[Dakotah]

Mia- i would call AC and if that wouldn't work handle it myself. (sorry if that was alittle to... blunt.)

 

[Miakoda]

Mia- i would call AC and if that wouldn't work handle it myself. (sorry if that was alittle to... blunt.)

We have 2 AC officers for our entire parish and the only thing they will do to help you with cats is offer to loan you a trap.

I bought a trap and we are handling it ourselves. And although it makes me said, I'm not afraid to say that we have no other choice than to kill the cats.

I have 2 kids. I'm not about to try and load up 2 kids, a double stroller, an extremely pissed off cat in a raccoon cage and waste my gas driving 20 minutes away to the AC and having to unload everybody and everything so I can sign over a cat to them that they will end up euthanizing. I don't have the time to be responsible for others and I sure as hell don't have the money to clean up their mess for them.

Where I live is one of the fastest growing areas in the country, yet we are still considered rural. We do not have a leash law in the city I am in (although Gonzales does have one), we just have a nuisance law. And the AC is so overrun with nuisance animals that they take forever in getting to you if they even can. Their first priority is bite cases followed by neglect/cruelty cases.

 

[eddieq]

It's OK to be blunt, Dak.

I'm a cat lover. I was devastated this past november when we had to put down my Spook. He was an indoor cat 100%. Tried to bring him outside once on the step and he freaked out and ran right back inside. Lived almost 19 years like that, nice and happy. I don't get outdoor cats. Never had them. All of the cats I had growing up lived long lives indoors. Our black/white/grey tabby, Frisky, liked to go out, but we kept him in - for his safety as well as our own peace of mind.

If there were cats fouling up my property, damaging my cars and driving my dog nuts, I'd do something about it either by having AC come and take them or removing them myself. Call me a monster, but if there was a psycho cat (like described several pages ago), I wouldn't chase it back with a broom, to be blunt.

 

[HoundedByHounds]

I give up. Too many people do feel entitled because they don't witness the things happen thus they cannot possibly be happening by their precious kittycat. Plus it doesn't bother them so what in the hell do they care for...........

They remind me of those parents with teenagers causing havoc..."Not my Timmy! He's a good boy! he's home by 9pm every night!" Or at school..."my Alison didn't start a fight...the other girl must've provoked her!"

The denial, and lack of accountability, is...troubling.

 

[Punkygirl0101]

What would you cat people do if my dog was constantly rummaging through your trash bins, killing birds and leaving the remains in your yard, peeing on your vehicles, pooping on your porch and harrassing your cat? Hmmmm?

I wouldn't care to be honest. There are already dogs that do wander and do that. (Other than the garbage can part..as ours our really big trash cans, that trust me..no animal can get in. But since MY cats don't do that to other people's property..because i KNOW my neighbors, and we have conversations related to cats...

That sucks a cat did that to your stuff. Wasn't my cat..so i don't see why you **** everyone who lets their cats outside.

The fact that my dogs are barking all night long at the cats sitting outside my garage door...on my vehicles no less.....is pissing everyone off.

They by all means, do what you have to do. But again...Just because you have cats in your area damaging your property, and being a nuisance..Doesn't mean other cat owners should be blamed.

It would bother me if my cats were causing damage to other people's property. That is why I have a connection with my neighbors. If my cats did anything to their property..They would let us know. And what would we do? Work something out. Whether we banned a certain cat from going outside, and/or paid for the damage.

I in NO way am an irresponsible cat owner.

The denial, and lack of accountability, is...troubling.

Since you obviously am not a neighbor of mine, you can't assume that EVERY cat that goes outside is going to go scratch someones car, crap in someone's yard (For one..Who cares. Its just poop, I do weekly yard maintenance, and that takes care of any piles of crap that haven't dissolved from the rain.).

Because a pitbull is a pitbull, does it automatically attack people? No...but hey, many, many people have had personal experiences where they have, and do. SO they think ALL pitbulls are killers.

because a cat goes outside, does that AUTOMATICALLY assume its a nuisance who craps in other people's yards, and causes damage to other people's property? No..but hey, lots of people have had that personal experience.

ALL cases are different.

 

[HoundedByHounds]

Why so defensive? You seem comfortable with your choices and how they affect others...so if that is so...no need to assume every post about a cat owner with a cat tearing up property...is directed at you.

I don't do subtle...if I am speaking to you I do so directly...as in this post. Mia and I were discussing a very specific type of owner...if that's not you...why worry about it?

eta: rather like I don't assume every thread or comment here about a fat Beagle, or a dumb Beagle...is about my dogs. They are neither...so, carry on.

 

[jess2416]

They are neither...so, carry on.

you forgot the nvr mind with your carry on...

 

[HoundedByHounds]

dammit...thanks I did indeed...I will let yours stand in then it's much prettier than mine.

 

[Punkygirl0101]

I probably assumed it was about me because only two people have made comments about their cats that go outside . And you used

They

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But yes, I am very comfortable with my decision. It doesn't bother anyone. But if someone is going to say that ALL cats that are outside are monsters..I will get defensive.

 

[HoundedByHounds]

They meaning a group? Yes I did as I said...a very specific group or type of owner Mia and myself deal with daily.

I hadn't actually read thru your comments in any great detail...I was thinking it was you justifying your choices...which as I said...you seem comfortable with. So nothing really for me to address there.