Dog breeds not for the faint of heart or inexperianced

[Laurelin]

I've always owned "easy" breeds so I don't really know what its like to own or care for difficult animals (like an animal that is hard to train or requires a lot of mental/physical stimulation) so maybe that affects my response to this kind of thing...
but I think with some honest research and talking to people who know the breed very well and some hard work and patience (as well as an honest look at yourself/your lifestyle)... people (even new dog owners) can own probably any breed

Then again, I'm not really attracted to "tough" breeds and have never been around them so maybe I just don't "get it." but I mean..they are dogs lol

I just don't like the idea of "starter breeds" or "breeds only for experienced dog owners", if you have done your research and spoken to people ,feel confident a breed is right for you, met some dogs probably and are ready to put in the hard work.
I don't see why you shouldn't go out and get the breed of dog you want.

Everybody has their first dog at some point, and some people aren't lucky enough to have had dogs as kids or young adults... don't think that makes them totally incapable of owning certain breeds.

If someone is super super dedicated and has spent a lot of time around a hard breed then maybe. I'm sure there is always an exception to the rule. There's still definitely a list of breeds that I would never recommend to someone that really has never owned a dog before though. I figure if they really are the exception to the rule, they'll have put in the time and effort to get the experience to know it themselves.

I just really don't buy the notion that a dog is a dog is a dog.

 

[DougGeneration]

Dogs are dogs, the breeds are irrelevant if you ask me. That's why you train them right? To make them do what you want them to do, simple as that and no starter/easy/hard/forexperienced or whatnots.

How your dog behaves or become definitely is reflected by the trainer/owner.

 

[Laurelin]

Dogs are dogs, the breeds are irrelevant if you ask me. That's why you train them right? To make them do what you want them to do, simple as that and no starter/easy/hard/forexperienced or whatnots.

How your dog behaves or become definitely is reflected by the trainer/owner.

See, I hate this notion.

Dog breeds are different from each other. That's why we bred them in the first place. If breeds weren't different from each other then all we would have would be generic dogs with no real distinguishing traits.

Dog breeds vary in a lot more ways than just appearance.

Breeds were designed for specific jobs with specific traits in mind be that job companionship or herding or guarding or hunting or whatever. By saying dogs are dogs you're essentially saying that any breed can do any job and that's just not the case. Might as well get a retriever to herd your cows and a BC as a flock guardian and a papillon as a PP dog... it's silly to even say that. You can't train out ojeriza in a fila or eye in a border collie or same sex aggression in a doberman. To me the notion that you can 'fix' anything with training is EXTREMELY dangerous. Manage it with training and appropriate handling? Sure. Make it go away? No.

The whole POINT of dog breeds is predictability and not just in phenotype but in temperament and working traits. Of course you should expect there to be some outliers but without this predictability there would BE no dog breeds at all.

Of course train the dog but the fact of the matter is breeds are prone to different behaviors, some of which can be problematic to an inexperienced or unprepared owner.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

Dogs are dogs, the breeds are irrelevant if you ask me. That's why you train them right? To make them do what you want them to do, simple as that and no starter/easy/hard/forexperienced or whatnots.

How your dog behaves or become definitely is reflected by the trainer/owner.

May I ask which breeds you have owned and have led you to feel confident to make this assessment?

 

[darkchild16]

Dogs are dogs, the breeds are irrelevant if you ask me. That's why you train them right? To make them do what you want them to do, simple as that and no starter/easy/hard/forexperienced or whatnots.

How your dog behaves or become definitely is reflected by the trainer/owner.

Not always the case :rofl1: You cant take a breed that does not like other dogs and train it to love others. Or a dog that does not like humans to love them.

 

[MafiaPrincess]

Dogs are dogs, the breeds are irrelevant if you ask me. That's why you train them right? To make them do what you want them to do, simple as that and no starter/easy/hard/forexperienced or whatnots.

How your dog behaves or become definitely is reflected by the trainer/owner.

That was how I felt before I owned a dog, and met a ton of breeds. Seems to be an uninformed attitude. I do dog sports with mine and get to see many breeds do the same. Even with endless training they certainly aren't little robots. A lot of it is breed, not the quality of the training.

I have two american cockers. They are like night and day. Even within the breed dogs aren't robots and my two have had near identical training. Cider is a pain in the @ss to own, and is such a hard dog multiple people have told me if they owned her they'd have had to re-home her, she'd likely have been put down. There are most certainly breeds that are easier starter dogs as a whole, but then individual temperament beyond that.

To say

That's why you train them right? To make them do what you want them to do, simple as that

smacks of inexperience coming from someone promoting a dog training site in their siggy.

 

[Fran101]

I didn't mean it as like "all dogs are dogs..breed doesn't matter", but I can see how it came off that way.

I meant that as with any dog, they can be researched and met etc..etc.. to decide if they are "right for you"

 

[filarotten]

Dogs are dogs, the breeds are irrelevant if you ask me. That's why you train them right? To make them do what you want them to do, simple as that and no starter/easy/hard/forexperienced or whatnots.

How your dog behaves or become definitely is reflected by the trainer/owner.

I bet Cesar Milam is your hero.

 

[DougGeneration]

Seems like I disturbed the beehive with all the comments from you guys and gals.

You certainly can tell that i'm new and all what I've written are all purely based on my own personal experiences right? Whether or not you agree with it surely is affected by your knowledge from years of experiences, and in this case you don't. I came here to learn more about dogs, training them in specific, I did love to comment on some topics here and there even if I knew only little, because in a way i'm also learning too.

I do know about the 7 groups dogs belong to, and how they were breed for a certain task or role for that matter. I can certainly tell you misunderstood me, and base from your initial reactions to my post, I don't really feel good about explaining it. I bet my "inexperience" will overshadow that by a whole lot.

Need not comment sarcastically.

Lastly if it'll make you feel good about yourself on how "experienced" you are by bashing on those "inexperienced" like me then I'd be glad to take the "site i'm promoting" down.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

When you make a statement you're bound to get challenged, I'm sorry you feel you were ganged up on.

The point is you cannot train every dog the same, let alone every breed.

Taking in consideration the breed, the dogs history and the environment is essential for training.

 

[Dekka]

I think the issue is you can't claim to be 'just learning' yet providing training advice in your siggy.

Knowing that herding breeds tend to show behaviours compatible to being a herder, and protection breeds show ones compatible with protection.. is basic knowledge that even the average pet owner knows.

Training a fila to be polite to strangers is a VERY different issue than training a golden retriever to be polite. Sure the basics are the same, but the issues are totally different. The fila will be distrustful of strangers where as the golden has just met a new best friend.

 

[Laurelin]

Most of us here are here to learn. We're all in different stages of dog ownership and there's a lot to learn from each other.

I wouldn't feel bad about lack of knowledge at all.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

I think the issue is you can't claim to be 'just learning' yet providing training advice in your siggy.

The problem may also be this is a top article on the site

The 3 Most Vicious Dog Breeds in the World - Posted by Marley 3 weeks ago

What a disgusting excuse for education.

I, for one, am offended.

 

[Dekka]

Most of us here are here to learn. We're all in different stages of dog ownership and there's a lot to learn from each other.

I wouldn't feel bad about lack of knowledge at all.

I don't think he should feel bad about not knowing (we all start somewhere). I think he should feel bad about promoting something he claims to know nothing about.

For example if you find his page on that site (same avatar as here) he is answering dog behaviour and training questions. This is not someone who is acting as a noob.

 

[thehoundgirl]

I would say Coonhounds are not for the faint of heart, because they are so much work and need a lot of commitment. They can drive you crazy and really aren't for the faint of heart or for the inexperienced/uneducated. If I were going to suggest a hound to someone, I would suggest a Basset Hound.. they are a little more low key than a Coonhound or a Beagle and are easier to own but they are still hounds.

I would also not suggest people get a hound, doing zero research on them and getting them as cute pups and then getting rid of them when they start acting like a hound. That's why so many are in the shelter system and they just sit and rot in shelters because nobody wants a hound. There are some that could be a in a pet home, but the characteristics are still there. They need a lot of work and patience.

APBTs also come to mind for me. They are AMAZING dogs and I LOVE them, but not for the faint of heart, especially if someone has multiple dogs and they don't plan on seperating them when that dogs DA turns on and plan on taking them to the dog park, doggie daycare, etc.

If they did their research and wanted to get another dog for *themself* and not their other dog.. I think it's fine as long as they know to seperate the dogs permanently when it comes to that and not be surprised when it happens. They should also have thick skin, thus why they aren't for the faint of heart getting ignorant comments all the time and make sure they are a good example of the breed and also the owner portrays themselves positive as well. I have been researching this breed for YEARS and can't wait to have one someday when the time is right.

I would also say most herding dogs aren't for the faint of heart as well as they need LOTS of proper exercise, mental stimulation, and MOST times need a job whether it's agility, dock diving, herding sheep, being shown in 4-H, etc. I also think it depends on the dog, some don't need a job and can be happy in a pet home but they still need that mental stimulation and lots of exercise. I love the herders and suggest people to really look into the breed before getting one to make sure they can handle one and provide the right job for them.

 

[MafiaPrincess]

The problem may also be this is a top article on the site

The 3 Most Vicious Dog Breeds in the World - Posted by Marley 3 weeks ago

What a disgusting excuse for education.

I, for one, am offended.

It's not just that one, it's essentially every article on the site. They aren't articles, they are things written by the members of the site. Most of the 'articles' there are badly informed with minimal experience, yet they are being written as articles to educate people. Sadly, they aren't doing any good as it looks like people aren't doing any outside research to write most of those things.

I don't think he should feel bad about not knowing (we all start somewhere). I think he should feel bad about promoting something he claims to know nothing about.

For example if you find his page on that site (same avatar as here) he is answering dog behaviour and training questions. This is not someone who is acting as a noob.

Coming here to learn is awesome. Writing 'articles' and answering peoples questions like you do know what you are doing when it comes to training and behaviour is while promoting a site made up of a poor knowledge base. That isn't a newbie wanting to learn.

 

[Dekka]

That site would be funny if it was satire.

Did you know that pugs are by nature aggressive? Or that the newest breed is a bull boxer?

 

[Psyfalcon]

Can we get rid of the troll/spammer? Please?

At least get rid of the sig?

 

[Danefied]

No sarcasm intended, but if dogs were dogs and breed didn't matter, lets start training bloodhounds to herd sheep and boxers would jump out of helicopters to rescue swimmers.

Or better, like a good friend of mine says "there is a reason why cowboys don't herd cattle with chihuahuas while riding zebras."

 

[Dekka]

Can we get rid of the troll/spammer? Please?

At least get rid of the sig?

Seems the site is down