Who says you can't protest a puppy store.

[Juicy]

YouTube - WTHR - Indiana's Puppy Pipeline Part 1

YouTube - Tennessee Puppy Mill Raid

YouTube - Cruelty in Canada: Puppy Mill Bust

I see news stories like this ALL THE TIME. Many 'mainstream' dog owners watch the news too. And I don' even live in a state where there are many puppymill farms, yet many pet stores are being forced to close down, because 'mainstream' dog owners are not buying pet store puppies anymore and they are losing business.

Like this one..

YouTube - Dogs Rescued from Notorious Puppy Store

My non-dog savvy friend recently got a poodle rom a pet store and it died a few weeks after. They exchanged the pup for a shih tzu, like it made it better that they sold a sick pup

 

[Dekka]

You know I wonder if I am a puppy mill...

I mean look they are in a whelping box!

Halp this must be a puppy mill!

 

[jess2416]

Oooo Dekka, shame on you....... :nono:

 

[lizzybeth727]

Alright, fine, your pictures are the "True" puppy mills.


Here's what I want when I'm looking for a breeder for my next puppy:

- Parents that are health-tested for all common genetic diseases for that breed;
- Parents that are proven in judged trials - agility trials to show that they are athletic and physically sound (plus if I want to do agility with my dog it will be easier if the parents are proven athletes); obedience trials to show that the dog is mentally sound and enjoys training; CGC (MINIMUM), TDI certification, or the equivalent, to show that the dog enjoys being around people; and conformation to proove that they "look" like their breed (though this is least important on this list).
- Puppies are whelped in a healthy and clean environment
- Puppies live from day one in a house, where they will be able to get used to the smells, sounds, and sights of family life from the very first day they are alive; if I am looking for a family dog to live in my house, why would I accept that the dog has never lived inside?
- Puppies are socialized with friendly people from the second week they are alive, meeting new people every week
- Breeder has a separate "potty area" and "living area" for the puppies so that they will have a basic idea of potty training before they leave
- Puppies are accustomed to a crate before they leave the breeder
- I get the puppy NO earlier than 8 weeks, but preferably before 10 weeks, to continue socialization.


EVERY statement is MANDATORY for me, and I can't imagine a pet owner wanting less than that in a puppy. Do the puppies in your pictures get ALL of this from their breeders?

Yeah, a puppy from a breeder who does this is going to cost more than $300, but what's a couple of a hundred dollars when it's SO vital to the rest of the puppy's life? And it'll still be cheaper to get a puppy from a breeder like this than a pet store.

Alternatively, I would also be open to adopting a dog from a shelter or rescue; but I have a ton of experience in evaluating dogs in shelters, and I pretty much know what I'm getting when I look at shelter dogs. I don't expect pet owners (or even shelter workers) to be able to evaluate shelter dogs as well as I can, so I know that it is sometimes dangerous for owners to pick out the wrong dog. So, if John Q. Public is looking for a new puppy, my first suggestion will be to tell them how to find a GOOD breeder.

 

[Laurelin]

There seems to need to be a distinction between breeders that have kennels and/or birthing setups and puppy mills. Worlds of difference.

Trey came from a breeder that had kennels....:yikes:

 

[Fran101]

There seems to need to be a distinction between breeders that have kennels and/or birthing setups and puppy mills. Worlds of difference.

Trey came from a breeder that had kennels....:yikes:

in my eyes, kennels don't mean anything. that would be like judging a breeder because they had crates.. lol its just a way to contain dogs. as long as dogs get individual attention and interaction then kennels don't mean a thing to me
as long as they are well kept of course..

 

[Laurelin]

Oh and the papillon setup.... the horror!

 

[Xeph]

STOP THAT ABUSE!!!!

PHbbbt, lol

 

[MandyPug]

Oh and the papillon setup.... the horror!

It's just awful, to think those dogs are lovingly cared for and raised and bred and sold to home that might show them to championships and keep them in crates to keep them safe! It's insanity i tell ya!

 

[Izzy's Valkyrie]

Oh and the papillon setup.... the horror!

The one in front is missing some tummy fringe though!

 

[Laurelin]

The one in front is missing some tummy fringe though!

Lol, Summer looks really scraggly there, doesn't she? She'd just gotten spayed.

 

[Lolas Dad]

Of course there are some clean mills... 'commercial breeders'. Hunte corp etc. Dogs are still kenneled and housed in cages or runs, they're just clean cages and runs.

I'd like to make a slight correction about The Hunte Corporation. They are not a puppy mill. They are a company and probably one of the largest that is a middleman for the puppy mills. The Hunte Corporation buys the dogs from the puppy mills and distributes them to the puppy stores. So basically they are a holding cell for puppies that come from the puppy mills.

The Hunte Corporation - See For Yourself

In this video they say that the puppies come from USDA breeders having strict standards of enforcing the USDA rules. That basically means food, water and shelter. Even the Amish puppy mills are required to be USDA licensed and we all know what the USDA standards are.

Crush, Here are a cople of dogs that were in a puppy mill:

So I guess in your opinion that their conditions they live in are ok with you.

Here is a shelter video for you to look at

YouTube - Gas chambers to kill pets (all of them have these)

So tell me what is wrong with adopting a shelter dog. Did you see any behavioral issues with these dogs because I sure did not. Also to make sure you seen the video what is the front gauge on the bottle reading?

 

[Izzy's Valkyrie]

You know, I almost said Summer too but didn't want to be wrong. And it was my guess the dog had just been spayed I love the little honeycomb of cat sized crates though! You're making me want a pap more

(I obviously have nothing constructive to add to the train wreck thread so I make comments on the cute pictures to refrain from being angry)

 

[Crush]

lol wow.. ok im not even gonna touch the rest of the post but the picture you chose (of the GSD puppies) is from a GERMAN SHEPHERD BREEDER German Shepherd Working Dogs DDR German Shepherd Breeders DDR German Shepherd Puppies
not a puppymill.

I got that picture in error. Lets take a look at a real puppy mill:

Help us stop Oklahoma Puppy Mills Now!

they health test, parents are known and titled, they register.. its a GOOD breeder. exactly what you are sooooo against lol and *gasp* the puppies are more than $300! OH THE HORROR!!

Those breeders are also in it for the money. There is no reason their prices should be as high as they are.

Now why would I pay all that for a healthy purebred pup from health tested parents when I can get a fluffy mutt from mixed breed non health tested parents for $375?! LOL

The puppy just told me that he's sad that you and everyone else makes him feel like a worthless mutt. :cry:

 

[jess2416]

 

[Crush]

It's just awful, to think those dogs are lovingly cared for and raised and bred and sold to home that might show them to championships and keep them in crates to keep them safe! It's insanity i tell ya!

I'm sorry.

I find those paps to be kept in inhumane conditions. There is no reason they should be kept in crates like that away from their pack.

The toughest thing I do as a dog owner is to crate my puppy. I really dont like doing it. But when I am at home, he is out the full time.

Those crates are smaller than any of the puppy mills crates.

The hypocracy is unbelievable. It truly is.

 

[Xeph]

Prices are high because she bothers to TEST her dogs, unlike the person you bought your dog from.

OFAs, whelping supplies, and schutzhund trials ain't cheap!

 

[Dakota Spirit]

I got that picture in error. Lets take a look at a real puppy mill:

Help us stop Oklahoma Puppy Mills Now!

Sooo...those are ok conditions to you? Do you see all the feces on the ground? Dirty water in the bowls? How ungroomed the dogs are?

And yet, you are defending puppy mills? Seriously?

 

[lizzybeth727]

The toughest thing I do as a dog owner is to crate my puppy. I really dont like doing it. But when I am at home, he is out the full time.

Maybe your puppy would like his crate a little more if the breeder had used it occasionally. No one is suggesting that the puppies in that picture are in the crates constantly, but going in for an hour at a time or something certaily doesn't harm anything, and will definately make for a better socialized pet dog.

 

[Bailey08]

How ungroomed the dogs are?

People pay good money for that look! :rofl1: