Who says you can't protest a puppy store.

[Juicy]

MAINSTREAM DOGS OWNERS WATCH OPRAH....MAINSTREAM DOG OWNERS ARE EDUCATED!!

YouTube - Oprah's Puppy Mill Special (Ep 1)

YouTube - Pt 2

YouTube - Pt3

YouTube - PT4

YouTube - PT5

YouTube - PT6

YouTube - Pt 7 Oprah Puppy Mills

YouTube - Oprah pt 8

My local humane society is clean, and the dogs are well-cared for. I can't say the same for a kill-shelter I know of, but not all dog shelters are going like the ones you went to, ALL PUPPYMILLS ARE THE SAME. There's no 'nice' puppymills.

 

[Dekka]

No by definition an 'nice puppy mill' is a byb.

 

[Grab]

Any points I would have made have already been brought up. I do hope the OP learns to spell words like 'humane' and 'guarantee' though, it's making my head hurt.

 

[4dogs3cats]

Oh, I know I shouldn't respond but I really don't have anything else better to do right now.

^^That is not a puppymill. That is a publicity shot of Samoyed puppies ready for sale, so of course they're going to look cute and fluffy.

THIS is a puppymill:

And this is what poodles in puppymills end up looking like.

So by spreading your inane, misinformed and utterly ignorant viewpoint, you are condoning the above conditions for the lifetimes of numerous dogs. You seem to be lacking in basic compassion and I am thankful that most "mainstream" dog owners are smarter than you.

You want to know why some shelters are in such bad conditions? Because they are taking more dogs than their facilities were ever designed to do, because of BYB's and puppymills. So you only have yourself and others of your ilk to blame. If your sort wasn't condoning and promoting the continuation of the above conditions, shelters wouldn't need to exist in the numbers they do. So pat yourself on the back for contributing to that.

I sincerely hope your dog doesn't end up with the skin issues that are so prevalent in white dogs, nor the crippling joint disorders common in Std. poodles. However, that's more than likely going to be the case, especially in light of pumping him full of chemicals from Iams.

I fully support those who protest puppymills and petstores. Shame on those people who think that it's ok to make a buck based on the suffering of animals!

Go do some reading about the reality of puppymills and the true cost of BYB dogs.

:hail::hail::hail::hail::hail::hail::hail::hail:

 

[Juicy]

Thanks for underlining my point of mainstream dog owners vs. extreme viewpoints.

Protesting a pet store selling puppies is an extremist viewpoint and shame on you for disrupting someones business and someones employment.

So you never gotten bad customer service and told people about it? That my friend is giving a place a bad rep, disrupting someones business, and possibly someones employment.

Its call freedom of speech and as long as protestors abided by the laws of how to go about protesting you have NO RIGHT to say what they can or cannot do.

 

[MandyPug]

So you're meaning to tell me that these dogs:

Are happier and better cared for than this dog who was at the humane society who got adopted about lets see.. a week or so after this photo was taken.

Her name was Becky, and she has a lovely family now (even though, god forbid, she's a pure border collie!)

 

[Renee750il]

You guys are getting a lot of good info out there

Just do remember and reference the first sticky in the Buried Bones forum

 

[Dekka]

Oh I dunno Renee I am kinda partial to mine.. I loves me a good catch and release.

 

[Xandra]

I always wonder about mill literature. I suspect there are a fair few that have dogs in clean cages, with food, water, some vet care, etc, but we wouldn't here about them because there are no grounds for them to be busted.

Even in good conditions for a puppymill, the dogs are still kept like meat rabbits. Which is bad enough for a dumb rabbit, much less a dog.

And that's in addition to the fact that the dogs have a very high incidence of health or temperament issues, which sucks for the dog and sucks for the owner of said dog. Nothing elitist here. Even joe blow farmers seek out quality animals.

Shelters are temporary quarters for adoptable dogs. If the dogs are unadoptable they are euthanized because you are very right Crush, a shelter is no place to permenently keep a dog.

 

[Juicy]

I always wonder about mill literature. I suspect there are a fair few that have dogs in clean cages, with food, water, some vet care, etc, but we wouldn't here about them because there are no grounds for them to be busted.

Even in good conditions for a puppymill, the dogs are still kept like meat rabbits. Which is bad enough for a dumb rabbit, much less a dog.

And that's in addition to the fact that the dogs have a very high incidence of health or temperament issues, which sucks for the dog and sucks for the owner of said dog. Nothing elitist here. Even joe blow farmers seek out quality animals.

Shelters are temporary quarters for adoptable dogs. If the dogs are unadoptable they are HUMANELY euthanized because you are very right Crush, a shelter is no place to permenently keep a dog.

Not shot like puppymiller 'useless' dogs.

 

[Renee750il]

Oh I dunno Renee I am kinda partial to mine.. I loves me a good catch and release.

Catch and release? How very un-Terrier of you :rofl1:

I've been told you can tenderize them if you use a pressure cooker.

 

[Laurelin]

Of course there are some clean mills... 'commercial breeders'. Hunte corp etc. Dogs are still kenneled and housed in cages or runs, they're just clean cages and runs.

I'd say most 'mainstream' dog owners know not to buy from pet stores and know about puppy mills. Maybe not most, but a lot do. They may not know distinctions between good breeders and bad breeders but they know what mills are. I've had random people come up and just ask me if my dogs are from the pet store and I say no and they tell me good job because those dogs come from mills. Even my least dog-savvy friends will tell you not to buy your dogs from there.

 

[Dekka]

Even with commercial breeders somethign has to give.

And if you actually looked after all those dogs, fed them decently, vetted them, then the mill would loose money. Mills only get 100-250 per pup in general. (pet store mark ups are crazy!!) If you figure, particularly with smaller breeds litters of 4 pups, 2 litters a year. 8 pups if all goes well is 800-2000 per dog per year. Take out cost of feeding, housing, vet costs, time and labour.. and how much is left over?

To breed for that cost and on that scale something has to slide.

 

[Xandra]

You guys are getting a lot of good info out there

Just do remember and reference the first sticky in the Buried Bones forum

I've tried very hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. Very hard. He could be ignorant (it happens) and stubborn (also happens).

His next round of replies will decide whether I'm going to spend anymore time on him. If I see growth, well, there might be hope. If not, well, you know my recommendation lol.

 

[Laurelin]

I've tried very hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. Very hard. He could be ignorant (it happens) and stubborn (also happens).

His next round of replies will decide whether I'm going to spend anymore time on him. If I see growth, well, there might be hope. If not, well, you know my recommendation lol.

Don't hold your breath.

 

[Dekka]

oh if there is no growth.. please can we keep him! I PROMISE to feed him and walk him and clean up his messes? I have always wanted one of my own! ppppleeeassse?

 

[Fran101]

I hope the OP is a troll and just trying to cause problems and I think the only way to make him go away is to just ignore him.

thank GOD he doesn't represent the majority of "mainstream" dog owners.

Crush, you and your dog are not perfect. and you need to educate yourself, its not about "extreme" viewpoints its about COMMON SENSE!

saying that dogs that live at the humane society with proper food, vet care, volunteers to walk and play with them and a clean environment are worse off than those at puppy mills is LAUGHABLE at best!
Puppy mills are not little grassy areas with exercise pens and happy puppies. they are a BUSINESS, dogs are used to make MONEY and produce puppies. they don't care about the dogs, they care about the money they are making. Dogs have no volunteers, often live in a filthy environment and receive little to no human contact.
can you honestly not see the difference?

 

[corgipower]

I'd say most 'mainstream' dog owners know not to buy from pet stores and know about puppy mills. Maybe not most, but a lot do.

IME it's about 50/50. Usually it's their first dog that comes from a pet store and when they tell people that, they learn about mills and then their next dog comes from a better source. It might be a regional thing too.

 

[Crush]

LOL upendi!! Those first two pics - I was about to post the same ones.

That's just it.

The SAME pictures. The SAME pictures over and over again.

It's the same scam over and over that the special intrest extremists use. They take pics from the 3rd world, use the same ones over and over and expect people to feel sorry to promote their cause.

Puppies are not held in cages, but are usually fenced off in a puppy mill becuase the poo is hard to clean. What you are looking at is pics mostly from the 3rd world that are basically lies and fabricated.

I would say you should be protesting at the humaine society. Now THAT is truly, confined, extreme conditions. My God i'll never forget that. People with the jackets up on the face because the stench was that bad. My wife had to eventaully get out of there becuase she couldn't bear the stench and insanely barking dogs anymore. I couldn't believe it. Only large pitbulls and crosses out of control and FREAKING out as we walked buy. Then other dogs just sick looking and depressed. That's litterally all there was (at our local shelter.. your mileage may very).

They were locked solitare in little cells. That was truly inhumain what I saw. I fealt like calling the media or someone to bring attention to the conditions that the employees have to work in and the dogs of course.

But instead, the dog enthusiests are too busy going after declawing and freaking puppy mills where the dogs are with their pack.

The pics? Those are propoganda.

Here is a REAL puppy mill:

This issue isn't about the dogs, it's a group of people trying to bully our politicians and take away freedoms of other people. It comes in many, many forms of activisim.

If this was about the dogs, there would be HUGE protests at our local 'humain' society where I'll never forget what I saw.

Instead, there is a minority group trying to twist the arms of politicians (and forum moderators) to FORCE the mainstream into what we are allowed to do with our pets and how we are allowed to buy them.. because after all, we are 'un enlightened'. This is not about the pets, but a special agenda for self prophecy in life that a certain, small group of people NEED in order to feel 'complete'.

It really isn't about the dogs. The puppy mills are myths. They don't exist. That's why you see the same 5 pictures OVER and OVER and OVER.

I like to call them 'outdoor puppy breeders'. Because that's what they are and the dogs LOVE IT out there!

 

[Laurelin]

Most the people I know got dogs from a) newspaper ad for local breeder, b) local shelter, or c) friend had a litter

Then again it's pretty well known out here that the pet store is horrible. They've been convicted a couple times of animal cruelty but somehow are still in business....