Ron Paul

[Herschel]

I'm surprised there aren't any threads about Ron Paul yet. I hadn't heard about him until I went home to visit my family for the holidays. I was talking to my brother and his wife about the fact that a charity for which I handle the accounting wants to unload all of its money in the US and transfer it to Euros or other stable currency. From there, we started talking about inflation. Then, my sister-in-law brought the big guns and gave me a small lecture on commodity backed (representative) currency vs. fiat money.

My eyes were opened. It's amazing that there is a candidate out there that has consistently (for the last 20 years in Congress) fought for the same things that most of us want:

He voted against the Iraq war.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He has never voted to raise taxes.

He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
He voted against regulating the Internet.

Until recently, I thought of income tax as a law of the universe. After doing some research, I'm amazed that such an inefficient, ineffective, morally deplorable practice still exists. Every single day you work from now until the end of May will be so you can pay your income tax. This isn't the country that is outlined in our Constitution. This is tyranny.

Please give our country a chance. Just watch a couple of these videos and think about the things he says.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4kxTkhwR_Q&feature=related

On Jay Leno:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-fwEAf6M1U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1Q1Aqugv3M

I wonder if this thread is going to become ideological arguments or actual, logical discussion.

 

[Puckstop31]

Great post.... Until the last sentence. Ideology cannot be logical??? Webster tells me the ideology is a "organized collection of ideas." Now what might that list you gave us be?


Anyway, I would vote for him tomorrow... Except for one thing. He won't fight, for lack of a better term, the War on Terror. I wish we could just wring our hands of it and be the isolationists of the 30's and 40's, but we can't. The world is a much different place today. I have had the displeasure of meeting this enemy face to face, thus I realize what we are up against.

If only he would be willing to take the fight to the enemy....

 

[Dekka]

Well if someone like him as in charge..there may be less of a need for a war on terror.

 

[MelissaCato]

Anyway, I would vote for him tomorrow... Except for one thing. He won't fight, for lack of a better term, the War on Terror.

It's not that he won't fight the war on terror, it's he won't fight without Congress approvel first on foriegn soil, like what is happening today. What you see today wasn't approved by Congress.
As far as domestic threats and tyranny, be followes the Constitution to the slightest detail like the founding fathers intended. That is all America needs. And the whole world knows it. Noone will ever invade this country with the wording of the United States Constitution as originally signed, and the people who fear that are the ones taking it away from us from within. He's a smart man. JFK didn't die for nothing. He died because he knew too much and tried to warned "we the people", if the people would have known back then what we know now, America would have remedied herself with a Revolution. Sadly he was silenced.
Now it's our turn, America has chosen the right generation for remedy.
Semper Fi !!!!!!!!!!!!

A revolution is coming - a revolution which will be peaceful if we are wise enough; compassionate if we care enough; successful if we are fortunate enough - but a revolution which is coming whether we will it or not. We can affect its character, we cannot alter its inevitability.
John F. Kennedy

 

[MelissaCato]

.......besides the media and Ron Paul I find this interesting ..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw09tPaSUX0

 

[CelticxConnections]

Ron Paul would be my 3rd choice for president (if I could vote). There are some things about him I don't like but they don't need to be brought up. I like Gravel and Kucinich are my first choices.

Having said that I would be more than pleased if he won. He has a view I like on a lot of things and he seems to have understood that 1984 was a book about how bad a government that spy's is and the things in it are not good.

 

[HoundedByHounds]

heard of him, yes...interested in voting for him? No.

 

[bubbatd]

I don't have cable and the media seems to be Hillary bound . I hope that Paul gets more publicity !

 

[Puckstop31]

Well if someone like him as in charge..there may be less of a need for a war on terror.

How so?

I can tell you, beyond the shadow of doubt, they hate us no matter what we do.... Unless what we do is convert to Islam, and live by the 7th century edicts of Sharia Law.

Are you willing to do that? Is Ron Paul willing to do that?

It worries me how naive so many of we in the west are to the scale of the threat we face and WHY we face it.

 

[Puckstop31]

It's not that he won't fight the war on terror, it's he won't fight without Congress approvel first on foriegn soil, like what is happening today. What you see today wasn't approved by Congress.

Iraq and Afghanistan type stuff? I have no problem with requiring Congressional approval for large scale, conventional action like that. However, the nature of modern threats is such that there are generally very limited windows to act. Congress is much to slow and much to partisan to be effective in the parts of this conflict that we never see of hear. When the intelligence on the target has a life measured in hours, there is no time for red tape.

I do understand where Dr. Paul comes from though. But I couple that with a intimate understanding of the threat we face. Dr. Pauls ideas on this topic are not compatible with how this conflict must be fought. This is not, by any means, a conventional conflict. I mean, how do you declare war on a "idea"?

 

[smkie]

I have said all along that Hillary will win..but not by my vote. Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance.

 

[Angel Chicken]

Ron Paul seems like a good one, and in my own humble opinion, he may just be our new prez...

As much as people like Hil and Obamba (sp?).... I find it hard to believe that all the older Americans, not the younger crowd like I am, will vote a woman and an African American in office. I hate to make it a race and sexist issue, but think about it. The younger crowd could give a rat's ass less who is prezzy. The older, more established people of America will have a problem with it.

I'm not sure who I am voting for yet. We'll see what happens

 

[bubbatd]

As a senior , color or female doesn't bother me ! It's Hillary and Billerie !!

 

[Zoom]

I've heard of him and done a little research...just enough to find out where he stands on a few key issues and to know that he won't be getting my vote. I'm still 100% undecided...too tired, disillusioned and wary of what the next election will bring in terms of failed promises, price increases and podium pounding.

 

[iwantmypup]

Hi,


If you google Ron Paul.....
I like him...but I am not a republican, and I am not 18.
But I am very happy that he almost beat Guliani in N.H..



-Ali

 

[Lilavati]

I won't vote for him, but mostly because I'm pretty darn sure he can't win. He may go third party, but he is unlikely to win there either. Unfortunately, having cast protest votes in the past, and quixotic votes as well, I will now vote for a candidate that can win, even if they are not my favorite. As for who I am voting for in the primary . . . Virginia is an open primary . . . I have a prefered candidate in each party . . .so I'll vote for whomever needs my help the most . . . at this point . . . sigh . . . I am a believer in the politics of damage control . . . I'm more interested in keeping certain people out of office than putting any one in particular in.

 

[Herschel]

Great post.... Until the last sentence. Ideology cannot be logical??? Webster tells me the ideology is a "organized collection of ideas." Now what might that list you gave us be?

I was referring to ideological voters. People that say, "I can't vote for Ron Paul. He is a conservative and I am a liberal. I will vote for Hillary." The problem with that kind of thought is that Ron Paul's ideas are more likely in line with the change that most Democrats/"Liberals" want in our government.

More here: http://www.mobergpublications.se/arguments/ideology.htm

This also includes the people that say that they agree with Ron Paul, but won't vote for him because he won't win. That is the death of Democracy. Voting for someone only because they will win wreaks of herd mentality and will never, ever give this country the change it needs.

 

[Herschel]

I won't vote for him, but mostly because I'm pretty darn sure he can't win. He may go third party, but he is unlikely to win there either. Unfortunately, having cast protest votes in the past, and quixotic votes as well, I will now vote for a candidate that can win, even if they are not my favorite. As for who I am voting for in the primary . . . Virginia is an open primary . . . I have a prefered candidate in each party . . .so I'll vote for whomever needs my help the most . . . at this point . . . sigh . . . I am a believer in the politics of damage control . . . I'm more interested in keeping certain people out of office than putting any one in particular in.

This makes no sense. At all. You're wasting your vote.

 

[Herschel]

I'm still 100% undecided...too tired, disillusioned and wary of what the next election will bring in terms of failed promises, price increases and podium pounding.

Wouldn't it be nice to have a President that has an established track record? That doesn't flip flop? That has never increased taxes? That actually understands monetary policy and realizes that the weak dollar is a direct result of our government? That actually delivers on his promises, and has done so for 10 terms in Congress?

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr021506.htm

 

[milos_mommy]

SERIOUSLY?!?!?

Ron Paul seems like a total nutcase to me. There is no way in hell i'd ever vote for him. Quite honestly, he's my LEAST favorite candidate. If he got into office, i'd quite possibly move out of the country.