How Many Dogs is Too Many to Own??

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ou will when you get that ticket

I've been tempted to do the same but I'm sure as soon as I do it a cop will jump out of nowhere LOL.
lol that is true! I don't know how I have been so lucky as to never have even been pulled over. I barely renewed my license yesterday, and it expired on my birthday which was over a month ago. My friend has gotten 3 tickets in one month.

Say you had to move, would it be possible to transport all your animals in one car trip? Sounds bitchy but it's a genuine question.
Been done before ;)

Doberluv-Thanks for not saying just because you wouldn't want my number of pets, it doesn't mean its abusive to have them!
 

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Haha, wow. I have 2 dogs and 2 cats and sometimes I find that way too crowded in the car. :p
 

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You will when you get that ticket ;)

I've been tempted to do the same but I'm sure as soon as I do it a cop will jump out of nowhere LOL.
No joke...we had construction done near my house, I rolled through the new STOP sign that used to be a yield...I'm really loving my $83 ticket. Yep just made my day to have to fork over $83 because I wasn't paying attention :rolleyes:

Doberluv-Thanks for not saying just because you wouldn't want my number of pets, it doesn't mean its abusive to have them!
Show me someones post that says "If you have more than X number of animals it is abusive"? Because I'm not seeing it...

Most of what I read says If you have more animals than you can take care of, you have a problem.
 

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Doberluv-Thanks for not saying just because you wouldn't want my number of pets, it doesn't mean its abusive to have them!
But it is illegal. And although I love animals, I personally don't like when my neighbors choose to not follow the city laws. Maybe neighbors do care. I care. I let it go in the interest of being a good neighbor. But I don't like being in the position of having my neighbor have more than is legally allowed and the only way that it can change is for me to rat them out.

Laws are there for a reason. Whether you agree with them or not. Work to change the law. Or get a kennel license so you can legally have that many animals.

I wanted a hedgehog. But they are illegal in California. So I did not get one.

How many are too many? More than are legally allowed.
 

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I agree with Theresa. I've seen pics of your dogs and they all look happy. I'm sure they are well taken care of. And it's wonderful you have the finances to take care of them.
But it's irresponsible IMO to have that many dogs over your limit (I believe the limit is 4 in Fresno) and have animals that are illegal to have, regardless of the fact that "a lot of people do it too."

JMO.

Just like Theresa, I wanted a hedgehog, too, but didn't get one because I knew they were illegal.
 
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Not ventured into this thread before, but it's repeatedly popping up highlighted. Have to say I'm as puzzled as Laurelin; seems strange that this is suddenly an issue now. Number of animals in PG's household had been in her forum sig for quite some time, with no previous objections that I can specifically recall. :confused:

Her sig does seem to have changed recently, but is that really due to her having "something to hide"? Or more likely changed due to her having been recently intimidated into changing it? (BTW ... those are entirely rhetorical questions rather than attempts to further any debates. :rolleyes: )

Yeah, and? There are hundreds if not thousands of ferrets owned in California. And they are close to being legalized.
Well ... not exactly. There are grass-roots efforts to get them legalized (most with internet presence), but it's not true that ferrets are "close to being legalized". Many are circulating petitions. But past petitions on ferret legalization have been completely ignored by California officials, so one has to wonder why anyone's bothering with more petitions. One road block the state put up to the various grass-roots was a requirement that they pay for an independent Environmental Impact Report, before legalization would even be considered.

One of the largest private groups did in fact recently raise enough donations, Legalize Ferrets Organization ( Legalize Ferrets in California CA ) They have since, at their own expense, commissioned an independent university group to do an EIR. But that EIR has not yet been completed, although initial reports are promising.

Once complete, there's still no guarantee that ferrets will be legalized. It's more likely the state imposed that condition in the first place with the thought that private ferret owners would never be able to raise enough money to fund a properly independent study. Well, they did. But once the EIR is finished and even if completely favorable to ferrets, it's still possible the state may again refuse legalization. Remember, the state only said they'd consider legalization if an independent EIR was favorable, not that the condition being met would lead to any certainty of legalization.

It's kind of a moot point for anyone to object to the fact that PG has ferrets, solely on the grounds that "but they're illegal". True, but the fact is that legal or not, they're already there and have plenty of company. There are estimates that possibly up to 500,000 ferrets are owned by Californians. Also, pet supply stores in California openly sell many ferret care supplies. Anyone in this thread who does not live in or near California obviously has no knowledge of that fact, but CA state officials know about it and have never tried to prohibit sale of those items. So it does seem California is certainly sending its residents mixed messages! :rolleyes:

PG, for yourself though it's very important that you know your rights should an ACO, Fish & Game warden, or police officer come knocking on your door regarding your ferrets. Here's a list enumerating your rights: Know Your Rights

PG, I do hope you know your rights because there have been instances of neighbors and other disgruntled individuals (usually for reasons other than the ferrets) who have turned in persons in CA owning them.

In one recent case in Sutter County, a litte girl was talking to her friend at school about her family's two pet ferrets. Another little girl who was eavesdropping on the conversation and happened to "not like" the first girl for completely different reasons decided to be a spiteful little b!tch and report the first girl's family for owning ferrets. Police and an ACO showed up in the family's driveway; the family was fined and given 30 days to rehome their ferrets to a neighboring state where they are legal. THAT is what Juicy is talking about, and it can happen.

But do note on the enumerated rights page that as part of "probable cause" on the required warrant, the full name(s) of the person(s) complaining regarding your ferrets must appear on the warrant, and you have the right to read the entire warrant. So you would know exactly who it was, and if you felt it was largely due to harassment and you had other instances to show harassment from that same person(s), then you would certainly have the right to pursue harrassment charges against that person(s). California has pretty strict laws against harassment and stalking.

Actually I do speed. Never gotten a ticket thought. I do roll through stop signs (Who doesn't? Its not called the California Roll for no reason lol).
Well if you're in the habit of doing that, advisable to change your habits should you ever decide to travel northeast and cross the CA border. You WILL get a ticket over here. In this area the local constables very well know the "California Roll" ... in fact some municipalities around here (Glenbrook, Crystal Bay, Zephyr Cove, Incline Village) make quite a tidy sum ticketing CA drivers.

Some residents around here don't like the ski and lake tourists coming from CA, exactly because of their poor driving habits. But I for one hope ya'll keep on coming back!! The funds provided by all your traffic fines helps keep our local taxes down. :rofl1:
 

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The only thing that frightens me about Punkygirl's lifestyle is her driving. :p I've been posting in forums with her for years. Before either of us were at Chaz I do believe. I've never had reason to be concerned about her pets. They all seem happy and healthy. Does she have a lot? Yes. Could I handle that many? Heck no. But I think she is also providing them with a home they may not have had and a chance to be cherished and loved.
 

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Strange that people here would vilify someone for having to many dogs but think it is ok for someone to have an unlicensed dog running around loose and when I tell the person that owns the dog I am going to call animal control in the morning and followed through on it that I was vilified by some of the members of this board also.

As for how many dogs are to many dogs I would say as long as they are not running around causing havoc or their owners allowing them to be a danger to themselves and the dogs are fed and taken care of are not causing a problem with excessive barking then I don't see a problem, licensed or unlicensed. If they have one dog or to many dogs and they let them run around loose in the streets and elsewhere off of their own property than something needs to be done.
 

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punky , i dont really care how many you have , but the only thing i can think of is
"What if there is a house fire , How could you possible get everyone out in time?"

the thought of an animal trying desperatly to get out/awat from the flames and smoke but cant wakes me want to cry.

please if you dont not have a plan , make one and practice it.
 

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Wow! Good point Bogart! I never thought of that. What a horror that would be! I can't imagine having that many animals, myself. But then I don't have 5 or 6 people living with me. It's just me here. I would need a 6000 sq. ft house too. LOL. I love dogs, but I don't think I'd love them much if there were that many. I think they'd seriously get on my nerves. :yikes:
 

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Here is the deal for me that I have a hard time with. How in the world do you exercise more than a few? How do you train more than a few or do you just not?. I train the max out of mine because I am so afraid that I am not going to make it and getting them to their best means they might have a chance of a good home when I am gone. I can't fathom having more than 3 to one person ratio.
 

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Smkie: Your post gave me a visual. LOL. I see Punky like Cesar Milan, with about 40 leashes divided between 2 hands and on a skate board wizzing down the side walk with all the dogs "leading the pack." :lol-sign:
 

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Wow... what a roller coaster this thread is... and I am very split in my opinion what to make of it.

Everyone here truly, truly cares so much... but the line from expressing concern and ganging up seems but be very thin.

Do I think that Punkygirl and her mother are irresponsible? Yes. Unless you lived out in the country where you do not have pet limits and having 11 dogs and 17 cats is one thing... being over the pet limit by one or maybe two is also one thing, being over the pet limit by 25 is something different. Going over the speed limit by 5 mph is one thing, flying through a 25 zone going 50- yeah, not that good.

I can't comment on the subject is the amount of dogs are going into a hoarding state. I have not seen evidence that you and your mom can not provide proper care and attention to your pets, for all that I know you guys might not go to school or work and stay home to clean and play with the pets all day.

However, having a species of animals in your house that is flat out illegal in your state makes me furious. You obviously do not truly care about the safety of your animals.

ETA: And please, do not say that the internet is not a real place and there are no consequences for posting all this on the internet.
 
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I believe she said exercise wasn't really an issue because many of them are seniors/couch potatoes.

The training, I don't recall if she mentioned that at all.

Those 11 dogs and 17 cats (plus various other animals) probably get at least as much exercise and training as they would in a shelter. *shrugs* She is probably keeping some of them from being put to sleep in a shelter.........we all know seniors don't get adopted easily. So that depends on your opinion, do you think some of them would be better off euthanized than having a lower quality of life than maybe a dog who DOES get more attention and exercise. Again, that is all opinion so it's not really a question I need everyone to answer, LOL

Like I said pages and pages ago...........I don't care HOW MANY she has, or HOW MANY live under one roof. I don't care if it's illegal, I don't even care if she drives bad, I'm not her neighbor.........If I were, well then maybe I would care, LOL Otherwise, it's her business, her life, her money, her time.

BUT.........Don't swap around your stories, Don't try to tell us a bunch of BS, just own up to the fact that you have a LOT for one household and all that entails. Don't get defensive any time a person mentions hoarding and come running in defending and making excuses for them or acting like people are picking on YOU.
 

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Honestly I've been trying to sit out of this and I usually do, but I have to say I think the way people are singling out punky is ridiculous. Its gone beyond disagreeing to hounding her about every little thing. I know that won't make me popular but that's how I feel.

Would I ever want that many dogs? Heck no! But they're not my dogs. A lot of people here and other places do things with their dogs I don't agree with. And what about breeders? Especially in working types of dogs there are breeders that have as many or more dogs than punky. Is this wrong too? I have seen some of these same people defending breeders who have this many dogs and kennel them or have their dogs live in dog yards on chains. Ridiculous.

So she doesn't keep her dogs the same way you would. Okay, whatever. I have seen no indication that they're abused in any of her pictures.

My family is also over the city limit for dogs. Oops, I guess? No one cares here either as long as they're not nuisances. I don't see what that matters to random internet people.

Once again, unpopular probably but dang this thread is ticking me off, lol!
:hail:
 

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I have a friend that is over her head deep in rescue. SHe had many many aging older dogs that she was giving a end of life home to. The state came in and took not only the rescues but her personal pets as well. All gone. Her husband had a heart attack while it happened and she i believe suffered a nervous breakdown. That is what can happen.
 

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Originally Posted by Laurelin
Honestly I've been trying to sit out of this and I usually do, but I have to say I think the way people are singling out punky is ridiculous. Its gone beyond disagreeing to hounding her about every little thing. I know that won't make me popular but that's how I feel.

Would I ever want that many dogs? Heck no! But they're not my dogs. A lot of people here and other places do things with their dogs I don't agree with. And what about breeders? Especially in working types of dogs there are breeders that have as many or more dogs than punky. Is this wrong too? I have seen some of these same people defending breeders who have this many dogs and kennel them or have their dogs live in dog yards on chains. Ridiculous.

So she doesn't keep her dogs the same way you would. Okay, whatever. I have seen no indication that they're abused in any of her pictures.

My family is also over the city limit for dogs. Oops, I guess? No one cares here either as long as they're not nuisances. I don't see what that matters to random internet people.

Once again, unpopular probably but dang this thread is ticking me off, lol!
:hail: good post.

Even though I couldn't do it or it wouldn't be for me, I don't see evidence that these dogs are mistreated in any way. I've seen pictures and they look great. So, if the family can handle it and they haven't bothered anyone in such a way that they've been reported, what's it to us? In fact, I'd say kudos for fostering dogs that may otherwise be euthanized or living in shelters with concrete cells and little attention their whole life. As long as the family can handle them, keep them safe in case of fire....The law...well, I don't know what to think on that. That's another issue and none of my business.
 

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I never saw anybody react like this when Fluffyzoocrew was around. She had 15 dogs and other animals. But I never seen anybody question her. *shrug*
 

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