Wow, I didn't know Rhodesian Ridgebacks came in black & tan!
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Dizzy, it's not the COLORS that are bad, it's the breeder behind the colors.
If a certain color cannot be shown, quality cannot be assessed. If a breeder is only breeding for a DQ color, chances are good that they're breeding FOR color, not all the other traits and attributes.
Yes, there are "white" dobermans. Yes, the color is a DQ. Yes, I am against the breeding of these "white" (albino) Dobermans.... because there are no responsible albino breeders. There can't be - no good breeder would breed a dog with an increased potential for skin cancer, photosensitivity, and a while other slew of problems associated with them.
As for these DQ colored Ridgebacks.... who knows... maybe the color is linked to other things, like an increased occurence of dermoid sinus. Who knows... maybe these colors have the potential for the dog not being able to do its original job as well as the normal colored ones. Perhaps the DQ only exists to keep the breed looking like what the standard requires them to look like. The breed standard is there for a reason. Perhaps the Ridgeback fanciers know something about the DQ colors that we do not, or perhaps they have noticed certain trends within these DQ colors that make them undesireable.
As an owner of purebred dogs, I do not think breed standards are stupid. They exist for a reason. Perhaps not any reason you appreciate, but I assure you that those of us who love our breeds, and want to make sure they don't disappear, or take a huge step backward in overall quality... well, we feel differently.
If a certain color cannot be shown, quality cannot be assessed. If a breeder is only breeding for a DQ color, chances are good that they're breeding FOR color, not all the other traits and attributes.
Yes, there are "white" dobermans. Yes, the color is a DQ. Yes, I am against the breeding of these "white" (albino) Dobermans.... because there are no responsible albino breeders. There can't be - no good breeder would breed a dog with an increased potential for skin cancer, photosensitivity, and a while other slew of problems associated with them.
As for these DQ colored Ridgebacks.... who knows... maybe the color is linked to other things, like an increased occurence of dermoid sinus. Who knows... maybe these colors have the potential for the dog not being able to do its original job as well as the normal colored ones. Perhaps the DQ only exists to keep the breed looking like what the standard requires them to look like. The breed standard is there for a reason. Perhaps the Ridgeback fanciers know something about the DQ colors that we do not, or perhaps they have noticed certain trends within these DQ colors that make them undesireable.
As an owner of purebred dogs, I do not think breed standards are stupid. They exist for a reason. Perhaps not any reason you appreciate, but I assure you that those of us who love our breeds, and want to make sure they don't disappear, or take a huge step backward in overall quality... well, we feel differently.
Colour is colour is colour.
If it's linked to bad health - they woot, a good reason to not breed for it.
But I feel that ruling out dogs and decreasing a gene pool based on the fact that fido isn't blue with pink spots and THAT is what colour fido should be is utterly insane.
Oh noes, my beautiful cavvie has a white spot where no white spot should be.. call in the dog colour police. Showing career over.
If it's linked to bad health - they woot, a good reason to not breed for it.
But I feel that ruling out dogs and decreasing a gene pool based on the fact that fido isn't blue with pink spots and THAT is what colour fido should be is utterly insane.
Oh noes, my beautiful cavvie has a white spot where no white spot should be.. call in the dog colour police. Showing career over.
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Ditto. Great posts, Sizzle.
Dizzy, who the heck was complaining about the color of the RR in the OP? Sweet just posted a picture of a mismark to share, not critisize. No one was saying anything negative about the dog, the breeder or the color pattern. Most people know that mismarks can occur in even the best of breedings.
Dizzy, who the heck was complaining about the color of the RR in the OP? Sweet just posted a picture of a mismark to share, not critisize. No one was saying anything negative about the dog, the breeder or the color pattern. Most people know that mismarks can occur in even the best of breedings.
yep... Brutes father had some or the recessive brindle around his chest and neck... though i didn't know about it until i chose my pup. Wasn't gonna leave him there with the crappy breeders either.
I've noticed in the RRrescue sites that a lot of people will abandon the RR for less than.. quality reasons... I'd adopt a miscolored Ridgie in a heartbeat. I also understand though the chances of problems in them and accept the fact i might have to deal with it.
I like the breed standards. It's not about the colors, but the health of the dog, at least i would love to believe that's what all breeders go by.. heh.
I think the off colors give it some. Character! though i can't imagine Brutus like that.. He's got too much of the ridgie skin to pull of a tux like that.
I've noticed in the RRrescue sites that a lot of people will abandon the RR for less than.. quality reasons... I'd adopt a miscolored Ridgie in a heartbeat. I also understand though the chances of problems in them and accept the fact i might have to deal with it.
I like the breed standards. It's not about the colors, but the health of the dog, at least i would love to believe that's what all breeders go by.. heh.
I think the off colors give it some. Character! though i can't imagine Brutus like that.. He's got too much of the ridgie skin to pull of a tux like that.
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If not for breed standards and those who choose to breed to them, there would be no Cavaliers nor any other pure bred dogs.
Color is just one part of a breed standard, but color is an integral part of breed type for many breeds, including mine.
Once you begin to disregard one part of a breed standard, it is a slippery slope towards disregarding the rest of it as well.
Color is just one part of a breed standard, but color is an integral part of breed type for many breeds, including mine.
Once you begin to disregard one part of a breed standard, it is a slippery slope towards disregarding the rest of it as well.
I personally couldn't care less what colour fido comes in, providing
A) it is naturally occuring
B) it does not link to genetic issues
I don't expect die hard conformation/showing/pedigree people to agree, but I do find it a nonsense to disregard a perfectly conformed, healthy, able dog based on that one white spot out of place...
Just my opinion.
A) it is naturally occuring
B) it does not link to genetic issues
I don't expect die hard conformation/showing/pedigree people to agree, but I do find it a nonsense to disregard a perfectly conformed, healthy, able dog based on that one white spot out of place...
Just my opinion.
I don't know about the AKC color standards, across the board, but in the US, the Fila color standard is fairly ludicrous, largely in place because one of the original modern breeders here in the U.S. had their nose out of joint because the old Fila owners down in Minas Gerais wouldn't part with any of their dogs of certain colors. No health issues were tied in with either the blacks or the whites with brindled saddles and markings.
I'd imagine that there are other breeds where the color standards are just as arbitrary, just as in some breeds there are valid and important reasons for the color standards. You'd have to look at it breed by breed.
I'd imagine that there are other breeds where the color standards are just as arbitrary, just as in some breeds there are valid and important reasons for the color standards. You'd have to look at it breed by breed.
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So now we are talking about a white spot, and not a color which is not allowed?
Those are 2 very different things. In fact MANY breeds allow small white markings without disqualifying that dog from competition or breeding.
What would a solid white or black dalmatian look like? Would you know if that was a dal or not?
What about a solid black Rottweiler which has not had the tail docked? Would you know what that was? In many breeds color is more than cosmetic.
Those are 2 very different things. In fact MANY breeds allow small white markings without disqualifying that dog from competition or breeding.
What would a solid white or black dalmatian look like? Would you know if that was a dal or not?
What about a solid black Rottweiler which has not had the tail docked? Would you know what that was? In many breeds color is more than cosmetic.
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The RR club of Great Britain is - where my quote is from. Not sure if you read that part of my post or not... obviously not! 
I was asking you who was complaining about the color in THIS THREAD.
You were the one who came into the thread making your, as per usual, negative comments.
No one HERE had said anything negative about the color until you came into the picture.