What the kennel property was used for.
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And yet again you attempt to interperate my intentions based on what you choose to perceive. You have no idea how many years I have put into rescue or the battle scars (literally) that I bear. You have no idea how many dogs I have had to euthanize due to poor care, ignorance or cruelty or how many I have rehabbed and rehomed. Could it be my time knee deep in rescue and my love of preserving what I hold so dear has made me stop and question what the mass media has told us to believe?
I am asking very valid questions and I am challanging what you have been spoon fed....why is it the use of logic is met with the illogical and no valid explanation or argument can be made. What I see is people running on emotionalism...if you want the world to be gaged on emotionalism then none of us should ever own dogs or cats or any pets at all, after all that is the only way to prevent cruelty and irresponsible care.
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Funny you should say that you rescued all these dogs but then in another post you said something along the lines of someplace being too grose for even rescue dogs.
I am not sure exactly to the word what you said, but it was somthing along those lines.
Apparently you don't hold "rescue dogs" as high as you hold pets.
I am not sure exactly to the word what you said, but it was somthing along those lines.
Apparently you don't hold "rescue dogs" as high as you hold pets.
Spanking: Physical punishment for misbehavior; for the moment, we will assume this is what you are referring to as opposed to outright abuse (beating children on the rear for no other reason than because the parent is pissed off, drunk, et cetera.)
Puppymills: Forcing dogs to live in small wire crates and repeatedly breed for a living.
I think I figured out how it's different.
Perhaps if you wanted to compare physical corrections in dog training to physical corrections for children, that might be an intelligent comparison..?
Furthermore:
Regarding the ethics of gay marriage, the debate is "it is natural or is it not natural?"
Regarding the ethics of puppymills, the debate is "Is it cruel or not cruel?"
Yes, they are all questions of ethics, but it's in regards to totally different ethics. The situations are not even remotely similar, and the questions of ethical or moral values are also not similar.
Try again please?
Puppymills: Forcing dogs to live in small wire crates and repeatedly breed for a living.
I think I figured out how it's different.
Perhaps if you wanted to compare physical corrections in dog training to physical corrections for children, that might be an intelligent comparison..?
Furthermore:
Regarding the ethics of gay marriage, the debate is "it is natural or is it not natural?"
Regarding the ethics of puppymills, the debate is "Is it cruel or not cruel?"
Yes, they are all questions of ethics, but it's in regards to totally different ethics. The situations are not even remotely similar, and the questions of ethical or moral values are also not similar.
Try again please?
OK French Kissed, if you are so adament that 150 dogs is irrelevant on whether one would be a miller or not. Can you please give me examples of reputable breeders owning even 100 dogs, and not co-owned but residing on the same property? BIS has nothing to do with this, at least here in Canada and I suspect throughout the United States. The BIS come from dedicated, responsible, ethical breeders who are responsible for their own dogs and the puppies they create until the end of the dogs life. You are right that putting a number on it is difficult, but let's be practical here- 100+ dogs is indicitive of a miller.
I think if you read what frenchkissed is saying is that the property doesn't make the breeder.
I personally don't like the property. At all.....
But I don't think that the OP was supporting puppymilling.
Merely stating what I said above. And chaz being chaz, people read inbetween the lines, and now suddenly the OP has horns, beats her dogs, and is possibly a cannibal too (when the imagination REALLY gets going
).
You saw "the property doesn't make the breeder" and all assumed that the OP supports puppymilling... I don't think they were saying that at all.
While I don't agree with some of the points they make.... I don't think that they are the spawn of satan. And they have made some valid points.
Need an objective eye sometimes... not just a head full of propaganda and emotion.
I personally don't like the property. At all.....
But I don't think that the OP was supporting puppymilling.
Merely stating what I said above. And chaz being chaz, people read inbetween the lines, and now suddenly the OP has horns, beats her dogs, and is possibly a cannibal too (when the imagination REALLY gets going
).You saw "the property doesn't make the breeder" and all assumed that the OP supports puppymilling... I don't think they were saying that at all.
While I don't agree with some of the points they make.... I don't think that they are the spawn of satan. And they have made some valid points.
Need an objective eye sometimes... not just a head full of propaganda and emotion.
Uh, if someone were raising hundreds of children in cages and then selling them to anyone with enough $$$ to buy one (which would have a big pedophile market, I'm sure), then THAT would be the same thing.
Naturally people have different opinions on child-rearing, some will be for spanking and some against, etc, but there are still some common sense guidelines that everyone with a brain agrees to, like "Don't lock kids in a cage all day to wallow in their own filth."
I am not impressed by moral relativism. America and other countries used to think it was fine to send seven-year olds to wo in factories full of sharp, dangerous machinery. Do you think that is ethical, FrenchKissed, since the majority of people in America supported it at one time and since it was legal?
Naturally people have different opinions on child-rearing, some will be for spanking and some against, etc, but there are still some common sense guidelines that everyone with a brain agrees to, like "Don't lock kids in a cage all day to wallow in their own filth."
I am not impressed by moral relativism. America and other countries used to think it was fine to send seven-year olds to wo in factories full of sharp, dangerous machinery. Do you think that is ethical, FrenchKissed, since the majority of people in America supported it at one time and since it was legal?
with dirt underneath and a wire floor it isn't fit for anything, ever.
I find it amazing that when someone is defending something that they feel bringing in all other kinds of topics, from children to gays is going to help their stand. All that does is cloud the issue and is an old tactic of distraction from the facts. None of those outside topics have a thing to do with the painfully inadaquate runs that are in the picture, and why the number of dogs a person breeds or has at one time is responsible animal management.
I find it amazing that when someone is defending something that they feel bringing in all other kinds of topics, from children to gays is going to help their stand. All that does is cloud the issue and is an old tactic of distraction from the facts. None of those outside topics have a thing to do with the painfully inadaquate runs that are in the picture, and why the number of dogs a person breeds or has at one time is responsible animal management.
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And how would you change it? In all honesty it would be moot. The building and run design would not allow for change unless you practically pulled down the whole thing and started over. If you planned on doing that why consider the property to begin with. What about the other pens. If the raised pens were not there would the property then have some sort of reprieve?
The raised pens and small guinea pig type pens are the only part of the entire thing anyone is focusing on. Of the entire property, that only makes up a small portion. If you don't like those raised pens, don't use them, but they are not illegal...and I am still confused as to why they are immoral....considering even rescues use even small pens, cages, raised runs and the like, they make keeping puppies safe easier.
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Uh, if someone were raising hundreds of children in cages and then selling them to anyone with enough $$$ to buy one (which would have a big pedophile market, I'm sure), then THAT would be the same thing.
Naturally people have different opinions on child-rearing, some will be for spanking and some against, etc, but there are still some common sense guidelines that everyone with a brain agrees to, like "Don't lock kids in a cage all day to wallow in their own filth."
Naturally people have different opinions on child-rearing, some will be for spanking and some against, etc, but there are still some common sense guidelines that everyone with a brain agrees to, like "Don't lock kids in a cage all day to wallow in their own filth."
Dogs are not children. Dogs should not have to meet the standards of human children. And if you think they do, we are all in trouble. Removing the reproductive parts of your children is illegal. It is illegal to cage your child, it is illegal to make choices such as denying health care (i.e. I can't afford it).
The needs of children should be at a much higher level than dogs or any pet.