What is your major malfuction?!?!
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But that was the whole point of my personal post.
The actions of those who knew about the abuse and didn't stop it are every bit as damaging to the victims as the actions of the actual abuser. Because it essentially tells the victims they're not worth protecting. First they are victimized by the abuser, then they are betrayed by the ones who should have protected them and didn't.
In that sense Paterno and Sandusky ARE equal in the damage they caused the victims. Right along with McQueary and everyone else who knew about what Sandusky was doing and didn't stop it.
How McQueary has his job and Paterno doesn't seems ridiculous to me too, just more evidence to me of the total corruption going on in general. I certainly don't feel sorry for Paterno though. Not my job to say what should happen to whom, nor do I really care. Karma will catch up with McQueary eventually too, and everyone else involved.
All I'm trying to say is that those who knew what was going on wronged those boys every bit as much as Sandusky did. And the sooner we as a society really understand and internalize this the better for all of us.
The actions of those who knew about the abuse and didn't stop it are every bit as damaging to the victims as the actions of the actual abuser. Because it essentially tells the victims they're not worth protecting. First they are victimized by the abuser, then they are betrayed by the ones who should have protected them and didn't.
In that sense Paterno and Sandusky ARE equal in the damage they caused the victims. Right along with McQueary and everyone else who knew about what Sandusky was doing and didn't stop it.
How McQueary has his job and Paterno doesn't seems ridiculous to me too, just more evidence to me of the total corruption going on in general. I certainly don't feel sorry for Paterno though. Not my job to say what should happen to whom, nor do I really care. Karma will catch up with McQueary eventually too, and everyone else involved.
All I'm trying to say is that those who knew what was going on wronged those boys every bit as much as Sandusky did. And the sooner we as a society really understand and internalize this the better for all of us.
I do t think that Paterno is the scapegoat for the entire thing. But he is getting it hard. Why? Because he was the man in charge. I played soccer at a large Div. I university. I know how it goes in terms of coaches and athletic directors and presidents. While some on the board at PSU were wanting Paterno gone, the power wasn't in their hands.....Paterno held the power. High-profile winning coaches don't answer to ADs and school presidents. The opposite is much more true.
Paterno is being vilified be wise he touted a program of honesty and integrity. Boasts were made often about such moral greatness. And then this. This wasn't some students caught cheating. This wasn't alumni giving would-be athletes illegal gifts. This was child abuse. And he knew. To save face and to save his job and to protect the reputation of his program, he told Sandusky "no more bringing your children into my domain". Basically he was saying "I don't want to be involved.....I've got too much at stake....so keep your personal and highly immoral and illegal behaviors away from me and my program.
JoePa was willing to turn the other cheek against the very thing he bragged about not happening in his program. THAT is why the people are so upset. Not only did he condemn innocent children to a life of hell, but he lied to everyone.
Paterno is being vilified be wise he touted a program of honesty and integrity. Boasts were made often about such moral greatness. And then this. This wasn't some students caught cheating. This wasn't alumni giving would-be athletes illegal gifts. This was child abuse. And he knew. To save face and to save his job and to protect the reputation of his program, he told Sandusky "no more bringing your children into my domain". Basically he was saying "I don't want to be involved.....I've got too much at stake....so keep your personal and highly immoral and illegal behaviors away from me and my program.
JoePa was willing to turn the other cheek against the very thing he bragged about not happening in his program. THAT is why the people are so upset. Not only did he condemn innocent children to a life of hell, but he lied to everyone.
I do not think that Paterno is the scapegoat for the entire thing. But he is getting it hard. Why? Because he was the man in charge. I played soccer at a large Div. I university. I know how it goes in terms of coaches and athletic directors and presidents. While some on the board at PSU were wanting Paterno gone, the power wasn't in their hands.....Paterno held the power. High-profile winning coaches don't answer to ADs and school presidents. The opposite is much more true.
Paterno is being vilified be wise he touted a program of honesty and integrity. Boasts were made often about such moral greatness. And then this. This wasn't some students caught cheating. This wasn't alumni giving would-be athletes illegal gifts. This was child abuse. And he knew. To save face and to save his job and to protect the reputation of his program, he told Sandusky "no more bringing your children into my domain". Basically he was saying "I don't want to be involved.....I've got too much at stake....so keep your personal and highly immoral and illegal behaviors away from me and my program.
JoePa was willing to turn the other cheek against the very thing he bragged about not happening in his program. THAT is why the people are so upset. Not only did he condemn innocent children to a life of hell, but he lied to everyone.
Paterno is being vilified be wise he touted a program of honesty and integrity. Boasts were made often about such moral greatness. And then this. This wasn't some students caught cheating. This wasn't alumni giving would-be athletes illegal gifts. This was child abuse. And he knew. To save face and to save his job and to protect the reputation of his program, he told Sandusky "no more bringing your children into my domain". Basically he was saying "I don't want to be involved.....I've got too much at stake....so keep your personal and highly immoral and illegal behaviors away from me and my program.
JoePa was willing to turn the other cheek against the very thing he bragged about not happening in his program. THAT is why the people are so upset. Not only did he condemn innocent children to a life of hell, but he lied to everyone.
I posted that earlier.Miakoda, I think that's probably right, at least as far as people who are familiar with the situation at Penn State are concerned. On the other hand, I also think the press is just focusing on the guy they've heard of. But the hypocrisy (and the question of who really had power) are major issues.
The sad truth is that if he had reported it immediately, the harm would have been fleeting. Covering things like this up never really protects your organization . . . it just makes it much, much worse when it does come out.
Nice observation here:
http://www.frumforum.com/new-laws-wont-stop-the-next-jerry-sandusky
Whenever things like this happen, we pass more laws. Which usually do no good. The law did not fail here. People did.
http://www.frumforum.com/new-laws-wont-stop-the-next-jerry-sandusky
Whenever things like this happen, we pass more laws. Which usually do no good. The law did not fail here. People did.
Nice series of summaries of what happened.
http://www.angryblacklady.com/2011/...pe-case-the-history-of-the-psu-cover-up-part/
http://www.angryblacklady.com/2011/...pe-case-the-history-of-the-psu-cover-up-part/
and it's not like the police weren't involved at one point. Some of the parent's of the abused were involved at some point, numerous adults witnessed the acts or were made aware of acts and still this happened for years.
it's horrible, it's heinous, it's disturbing, etc. But really, I don't see much changing.
it's horrible, it's heinous, it's disturbing, etc. But really, I don't see much changing.
What the freaking CRAP!?! WHY was this woman allowed to have anything to do with his case?!?
http://deadspin.com/5859075/judge-who-set-unsecured-bail-for-jerry-sandusky-is-a-second-mile-volunteer
:madgo::madgo::madgo: <--these are totally inadequate. I can't believe they're STILL kissing each other's butts in this case. It makes me want to vomit. How is it remotely legal for a judge who volunteers with the charity the defendant founded and used to groom his victims remotely suitable to be on his case?
http://deadspin.com/5859075/judge-who-set-unsecured-bail-for-jerry-sandusky-is-a-second-mile-volunteer
:madgo::madgo::madgo: <--these are totally inadequate. I can't believe they're STILL kissing each other's butts in this case. It makes me want to vomit. How is it remotely legal for a judge who volunteers with the charity the defendant founded and used to groom his victims remotely suitable to be on his case?
