What is your major malfuction?!?!

[Lilavati]

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/penn-state-students-riot-over-joe-paterno-firing/

Hello? He knew the guy was raping kids. He knew for years. Your sports team legacy is nothing compared to that. Not to mention that its tainted for exactly that reason.

You people are an embarrassment to your university, the state of PA, and the human race.

 

[Taqroy]

That entire situation makes me sick. I mentioned it to a coworker and he said "Yeah, it's a shame his legacy is getting overshadowed by this." UM WHAT. It's a shame that children were raped and he stood by. I don't care about his ****ing legacy.

 

[release the hounds]

He did know? can you link me to the part that tells about how Joe Paterno just sat by and watched for decades? I missed that part of the story.

 

[Taqroy]

He knew since 2002. Penn State sex abuse case timeline

ETA: Here's the grand jury report (pdf). TRIGGER WARNING: It does describe the child rape.

 

[release the hounds]

I read the grand jury report and it doesn't say anything about what Joe Paterno knew or didn't know.

The sad part is, the man has a lifetime of doing good things for a lot of people, has now become the face of child rape because people are so quick to react with emotion rather than thought.

There's a lot of disgusting stuff, from Police being notified and doing nothing, adult men walking in on sex with a little boy and going home to call his dad rather than pumeling Sandusky on the spot, and parents that notified their child's schools, school officials in those capacities that did nothing, coaches of little kids sports that were notified and did nothing, parents that confronted Sandusky, and STILL let their kids go sleep over and do things with him, and yet all anyone wants to talk about is Joe Paterno.

 

[Lilavati]

I don't give a crap about the guy, actually. And I am appalled that there is any response other than condemnation of his failure to act.

Its in the timeline . . . a graduate assistant who witnessed one of the assaults reported it to Paterno. Its in a lot of the reports. Paterno then banned him from bringing children onto campus.

He knew.

You can go through some of the other stories . . . I believe he was told about it on other occasions as well.

 

[Renee750il]

The reports I heard said that Paterno DID notify his superiors and they did nothing. Does that exonerate him for not going to the proper authorities? No. Realistically, unless he had someone willing to step up and tell what happened, though, nothing would have come of it, although the person who observed it happening could have swayed a DA to act.

Definitely agree with Taqroy's observation, especially the part about the ****ing legacy, because that's exactly what it is now:

That entire situation makes me sick. I mentioned it to a coworker and he said "Yeah, it's a shame his legacy is getting overshadowed by this." UM WHAT. It's a shame that children were raped and he stood by. I don't care about his ****ing legacy.

 

[Taqroy]

I read the grand jury report and it doesn't say anything about what Joe Paterno knew or didn't know.

From the grand jury report.

Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.

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The sad part is, the man has a lifetime of doing good things for a lot of people, has now become the face of child rape because people are so quick to react with emotion rather than thought.

The sad part is that the victims are getting overshadowed. Obviously there are a lot more people at fault for allowing this to continue than Paterno but he's going to be more in the public eye. And doing good things is great but IMO it's not enough to make up for letting a child rapist continue on their merry way.

 

[Lilavati]

Although I'm disgusted that the crime is being overshadowed by a dang sports team and the consequences hereto, I'm pretty sure the victims themselves are relived that they are not in the limelight. Nor should they be.

Edit: He reported it to his superiors . . . which didn't end his responsibility (morally) to make sure it stopped. Moreover, knowing what happened, how could he even look at the guy without punching him?

 

[Taqroy]

Although I'm disgusted that the crime is being overshadowed by a dang sports team and the consequences hereto, I'm pretty sure the victims themselves are relived that they are not in the limelight. Nor should they be.

You're probably right. I get super irked when it all seems to boil down to "BUT OUR FOOTBALL TEAM!!!1!" When it should be "Holy hell, why wasn't this reported and how did it slip through so many cracks."

 

[release the hounds]

oh, i see, so you guys are of the type that when someone tells you something, you believe it right away right? as a lawyer I think you'd know how silly that is, but maybe not.

I guess you guys are the type that when one someone you know is accused of something, you automatically believe those doing the accusing, and when you tell the people you are supposed to report to, people you trust to do their jobs and have had working relationships with for years, and when they tell you they're going to get to the bottom of it, you bypass them and go right ot the media and the police and everything else right????

I'm sorry people act so ****ing righteous all the time, and i'm betting in the same situation, the majority of you would do nothing but tell someone else and hope they took care of it, and if it was someone of power above you, you'd trust them to do the right thing.

Just look at this story, parents KNEW and did very little, some of the victims grade school coaches new and told people, the middle schools knew, and nobody did anything, 28 year old men saw it with their own eyes, were an actual eye witness and did nothing, so why should I believe any of you would have done anything differently?

 

[release the hounds]

From the grand jury report.



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The sad part is that the victims are getting overshadowed. Obviously there are a lot more people at fault for allowing this to continue than Paterno but he's going to be more in the public eye. And doing good things is great but IMO it's not enough to make up for letting a child rapist continue on their merry way.

yeah, i already told you I read the report, you quoted a part I read, and what did Joe Paterno know was going on? what did he know, other than a grad student was making an accusation?

 

[Lilavati]

You're probably right. I get super irked when it all seems to boil down to "BUT OUR FOOTBALL TEAM!!!1!" When it should be "Holy hell, why wasn't this reported and how did it slip through so many cracks."

Oh, I do agree with you. I think those kids should have rioted if they didn't fire him, not because they did. (Ok, no one should be rioting at all, ever, but you see my point). And the question should not be . . .how will our football team survive? But . . . how can we prevent this from happening again?

And . . .how could anyone have thought that winning was more important than this? Because it didn't slip through the cracks.
Someone (Paterno and the University President it seems, but I don't think its totally clear and seems to be a group decision) made the conscious choice that Sandusky's coaching skills were more important than stopping him from raping children (and we aren't talking groping teenagers here, we are talking raping ten year olds). That's not "slipping through the cracks." The paperwork did not get lost. The information DID get to the top of the hierarchy. Its just that the person at the top (and everyone in between) decided not to do anything, and everyone who knew about it went along with that.

Because the football team was more important than a child. And, at least to some of the student body, it still is.

 

[Taqroy]

yeah, i already told you I read the report, you quoted a part I read, and what did Joe Paterno know was going on? what did he know, other than a grad student was making an accusation?

I'm trying to think of a polite way to reply to this and...I've got nothing. In fact I'm finding it really hard to believe that you're not just trolling to get an emotional (or more emotional according to you) reaction. So whatever. We're all free to believe what we want and I believe that Paterno (and everyone else involved in the situation) could have done more than they did. I believe that I would have in that situation.

 

[Lilavati]

oh, i see, so you guys are of the type that when someone tells you something, you believe it right away right? as a lawyer I think you'd know how silly that is, but maybe not.

I guess you guys are the type that when one someone you know is accused of something, you automatically believe those doing the accusing, and when you tell the people you are supposed to report to, people you trust to do their jobs and have had working relationships with for years, and when they tell you they're going to get to the bottom of it, you bypass them and go right ot the media and the police and everything else right????

I'm sorry people act so ****ing righteous all the time, and i'm betting in the same situation, the majority of you would do nothing but tell someone else and hope they took care of it, and if it was someone of power above you, you'd trust them to do the right thing.

Just look at this story, parents KNEW and did very little, some of the victims grade school coaches new and told people, the middle schools knew, and nobody did anything, 28 year old men saw it with their own eyes, were an actual eye witness and did nothing, so why should I believe any of you would have done anything differently?

It is a VERY serious accusation. And from the testimony, he believed it well enough. Frankly, an accusation like that, you find out what happened . . . and if the grad student is not being truthful, then HE should be fired.

No, I don't know what people here would do. To be entirely honest, I know what I think I would do, but I know better than to say that I know for certain what I would do if I actually was in that situation. I don't think we ever know until we find ourselves there. But that's one reason why its so important to condemn this . . . if you see something like that, you must act. If you are in position of responsibility, you must act. You can't edit it out because its inconvenient.

 

[release the hounds]

I'm trying to think of a polite way to reply to this and...I've got nothing. In fact I'm finding it really hard to believe that you're not just trolling to get an emotional (or more emotional according to you) reaction. So whatever. We're all free to believe what we want and I believe that Paterno (and everyone else involved in the situation) could have done more than they did. I believe that I would have in that situation.

don't worry about being polite, I can handle it. The Grand Jury testimony shows that he was made aware of an accusation by a grad student and went to the AD and head of the college, probably like someone in his position is supposed to do.

who's to say what he did or didn't do. If I got to my AD, a person I trust. Or any person on any job, reports 2nd hand information to their superiors, like they're supposed to, and they're told something is going to be done, you probably trust them.

It doesn't say, they had a meeting and Joe Pa agreed it would be best to sweep it under the rug. it doesn't say, Joe Paterno was a part of anything other than one accusation that he then reported. It doesn't say he was a part of a cover up, it doesn't say what they told him.

maybe they told him the police were involved, and investigation was done, and things were being taken care of.

and for the majority of people, that's going to be the end of their involvement.

Of course I think more people should have done more, the guy was supposedly molesting kids for quite a long time, so somebody could have done something more.

But really, who's talking about anything other than Joe Paterno these days. He's become the face of child rape, and for what reason??>????? call me a troll, I'll get over it.

 

[Psyfalcon]

But no one is bigger than the program. Including a 10year old. Except for Paterno.

The whole college is infected by a cult. If I have to read one more "you don't know what he means to us!!!!!!!!!!!" I'm going to puke.

 

[PWCorgi]

I'm from Pennsylvania, my sister graduated from PSU last year. All my FB friends from Pennsylvania are "OMG SAVE PATERNO WE LOVE HIM WE'LL DIE WITHOUT HIM!!!"

It is so disgusting how much they rely on this guy. I'm half tempted to unfriend the lot of them.

 

[Lilavati]

I'm from Pennsylvania, my sister graduated from PSU last year. All my FB friends from Pennsylvania are "OMG SAVE PATERNO WE LOVE HIM WE'LL DIE WITHOUT HIM!!!"

It is so disgusting how much they rely on this guy. I'm half tempted to unfriend the lot of them.

Ok, leaving aside why he was fired . . . he runs a football program. Don't you realize how insulting it is to the players that you credit this guy with all of their success? Not to say he doesn't deserve credit, but come on. It takes a whole lot of people to make a great football team. And now he's partially responsible for the public disgrace of the university and the team . . . ummmm . . . . yeah.

 

[release the hounds]

i'm going to go out on a limb and say you could poll almost every former Penn State football player, and you'd have an overwhelming majority of players that would give the majority of credit to their on field and off the field success to Joe Paterno. and be proud to say so.