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[Puckstop31]

I'm so mad I can't see straight. I'm not arguing with you two anymore, no point. Your views are heartless and based on what you've seen happen with a few people who have taken advantage of the system.

I'm not arguing anymore ever with either one of you and you can say whatever you want to this Puck, but I'm not looking at this thread or any other political thread you post in ever again. I think you need to reevaluate you religion. Someone as heartless as you cannot call themselves a Christian.

Heartless? I knew you were going to call me heartless. I have all the heart in the world for those willing to help themselves. It is good to see I was right about you. Faced with a tough fight, you cry and run for cover. Nuff' said.

My views are based on what I see EVERYday. I work in the PA State Medicaid system. (2 months to go, then I am out of this insane asylumn! Back to a evil company that is ALL about PROFIT.) I SEE what WE pay for.

Also, thank you for questioning my faith too... I did not know that you were Jesus Christ.

I told you I was going to keep this civil, and I think I have. I am not going to apologize for my views.


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Any bets on when we see the "I am leaving Chaz" thread?

 

[Mindy Miller]

Leaving? NO way. You're not the only person on this forum.

Accuse me of running away, fine. I'm just not going to fight anymore. You're not going to change me, I'm not going to change you.

 

[Puckstop31]

Leaving? NO way. You're not the only person on this forum.

I am glad to see that... really.

Accuse me of running away, fine. I'm just not going to fight anymore. You're not going to change me, I'm not going to change you.

It is not a fight, it is a discussion. Believe me, I KNOW what a fight is and nothing on the internet comes even close.

 

[Denaluvscorgis]

I also see people taking advantage of the system here in Oregon everyday in the line of work that I'm in. People just keep on having baby after baby with no plans of ever trying to make a living on their own while you and I pay for them to live. It makes me crazy!!!! I also agree that there are times when people need help from the system and it's there for a reason, but not to be taken advantage of!!!! I also think they need to pay the money back or have to work for it. It makes a person feel better about themselves when they earn what they get....not just have it handed to them. This problem follows each generation. I'm a very kind and compassionate person...but I see this problem everyday and it isn't doing the people any good at all.

 

[brem]

For your information, I am an engineer and am in the process of earning a masters degree. I simply didn't choose to be a manager and do my MBA.

So what you are telling me is that because someone studied economics he is entitled to more (we're telling like millions here) instead of a mere 40k 60k even 100k for the luckiest of us who builds the roads and bridges and buildings for these lardasses to sit their bums on the 100th floor?

FYI, ALL CEOs have bonus when they leave a company. We're talking millions here. Even when they are fired. Even when they did a shitty job. WHY?!

Why can't I do a shitty job and get a millions to get out of my obligations?

But you're right. If I wanted to be a cold hearted millionnare, I would have had to study management, get my mba and fight my way through corporatism.

I choose to live my passion as an poor engineer, and I'm a better person for it.

 

[brem]

I also despise people that take advantage of welfare.
Although they hurt much less the society than these crooked ceos.

 

[Debi]

I've known many people that fell on hard times and had to seek government help......and it was just that...help. I've also known a couple that really knew how to 'play' the system to get what they wanted without having to lift a finger. it's sad to think that the people that REALLY need a helping hand get lumped into the losers. I've actually never understood why people receiving welfare couldn't do something for the check they receive...even if it's just cleaning up the highways....working the soup kitchens...etc. most people are very respectful of doing something to earn their monies. sorry, but I've also seen women have another baby just to increase their monthly earnings. (hey..I also have no great respect for 'marital welfare' where a woman pops out a couple babies to have an income from support either) BUT..yes, BUT...there are many people that need help that can only come from the government lest they starve. women who have been battered have to have a system to enable them to live without further abuse. how the government money is handled is the problem.....not the people. and whether we want to address it or not......the Katrina victims were left to perish, and it is criminal in this country. the gov. tossed around millions, but they did it in their usual careless fashion to no real benefit for long term help to anyone. why don't we hear about New Orleans anymore???? our local news has been covering a story of a little Iraqi child here for surgery due to bombings by the US...and while I certainly don't deny that child anything...........I can't help being more angry over the plight of our own that we seem to just casually have forgotten. I also blame the gov. for not having the ability to weed out the losers who rob the system........and they seem pretty easy to spot to the average Joe, so what's up with that? so, yes.....there are people in the system that should be tossed out on their ear. but since it is a government system......all is approached with laze. YES, I am saying that about the officials that oversee the entire system.....they are too lazy to really reform it.

 

[Mindy Miller]

I agree that the current system is broken. Clinton tried to fix it by limiting the number of years a person can receive a welfare check (5) and requiring participants to be enrolled in classes or prove that they are seeking work. But this system can still be worked by people who know how to get around things.

What I don't agree with is throwing the less fortunate to the curb. Someone smarter than me needs to come up with a way to REALLY help them help themselves.

There are a few groups of people on welfare such as food stamps, housing assistance, medicaid who are unfairly grouped with those who choose not to work. I'm talking about elderly and disabled people.

 

[Puckstop31]

For your information, I am an engineer and am in the process of earning a masters degree. I simply didn't choose to be a manager and do my MBA.

Congratulations! So your motto must be...

"The only thing keeping me from being a serial killer is my distaste of manual labor." Dilbert

So what you are telling me is that because someone studied economics he is entitled to more (we're telling like millions here) instead of a mere 40k 60k even 100k for the luckiest of us who builds the roads and bridges and buildings for these lardasses to sit their bums on the 100th floor?

Yep.... Except, they are not "entitled" to it. They EARNED it. Sure, it might have been through some shady stuff, but as long as it was not illegal... I am OK with it.

Like I said before, "don't hate the player, hate the game."

FYI, if you think a CEO sits on thier ass all day... You have never worked directly for a CEO. FWIW, I would want the money but not the stress involved in being a CEO of a major company.

FYI, ALL CEOs have bonus when they leave a company. We're talking millions here. Even when they are fired. Even when they did a shitty job. WHY?!

Because they are smarter than you or I. They got the "cush" job with the golden parachute. It is called Capitalism. If there is a better economic system out there, show me.

Why can't I do a shitty job and get a millions to get out of my obligations?

Because you did not go to "Ha-vaaaaaard, dah-ling" and you are not a blueblood.

Would you really WANT to be one of them? I'd only want to be in the club so I could go to the club, and do the Rodney Dangerfield routine from Caddyshack.

"...park my car, carry my bags... <pause to look kid over> and put on some weight...." LOL

or

"HEY! You scratched my anchor!!!"

But you're right. If I wanted to be a cold hearted millionnare, I would have had to study management, get my mba and fight my way through corporatism.

I choose to live my passion as an poor engineer, and I'm a better person for it.

My GOD! He has seen the light!!! Welcome! What is most important here is, YOU EARNED what you have.

Besides, being rich does not mean being happy. They have the same problems we do, only on a grander scale. Eph that....

 

[Puckstop31]

I also despise people that take advantage of welfare.
Although they hurt much less the society than these crooked ceos.

Can you please expand on the last sentence? Why do you think that?

 

[Puckstop31]

What I don't agree with is throwing the less fortunate to the curb. Someone smarter than me needs to come up with a way to REALLY help them help themselves.

Me either... Give them stuff and/or tech school tuition vouchers, NOT a check. Just stop the handouts and watch how it changes.

There are a few groups of people on welfare such as food stamps, housing assistance, medicaid who are unfairly grouped with those who choose not to work. I'm talking about elderly and disabled people.

I know... We as a society cannot simply ignore the people in need. However, if you suck the public nipple then you should have to answer to the public that feeds you. Just put Welfare Reform options on a ballot and let US decide.

 

[smkie]

i have already been thrown to the curb and hosed into the sewer drain you know not of what you speak..the less fortunate are there because someone along the line didn't do their job..find that and there will be way less fortunate out there then you realize. it is easy to look at the end result..but where are dead beat dads..and medicine not taking repsonisbility for it's mistakes, teachers with not enuff pay..etc..etc ...etc..............................

 

[Dixie]

I find myself in the same quadrant as Adolf Hitler! :eek!:

Actually heres my views
School attendance should be mandatory
Raise the bar on education standards
Not everyone with a pulse should be allowed to vote (Those who call themselves American citizens but can barely speak, read, or write English! and of course our mentally capacitated and felons.)
I think the minimum legal driving age should be 18 - alot of 16 y/os arent mature enough to get behind the wheel of a 2 ton vehicle at 60 mph let alone a 14 year old whos just learning to drive and can barely reach the gas pedals or see over the steering wheel.
Bring back spanking in schools and I gaurantee you there will be fewer classroom disruptions, we have gone from one extreme to another and its ridiculous!
Make parents responsible for their children not their teachers!
Start requiring promotional tests every year for students, they must have an 80% before being promoted to the next grade, meaning they were able to retain 80% of what they learned that year, and hold back students who failed for remediation.
Start offering vocational courses in all high schools so when students graduate they will possess a marketable skill that will eventually land them a job. A high school diploma is no longer sufficient in todays world.
Im really fond of Hammurabi's "Eye for and eye, tooth for a tooth" code, I think that would be a grand idea in curbing crime and delinquency!
Stop placing senior citizens on a fixed income when the utility industry does not set fixed prices, seniors on fixed income have to make decisions such as having heat or having groceries alot of the time.
Encourage folks NOT to install central heat/air into their homes or only run it in extreme circumstances, we've grown used to it all for conveinience... causing energy prices to soar.
Start pumping our own oil, why buy from the middle east? We only support terrorism for out uncontrollable dependency on middle eastern oil.
Move FEMA out of Homeland Security.
Start requiring proper usage of government funds by cities or muncipalities. NOLA received a grant from FEAMA for the levelees instead of repeairing them they did a useless study on the effects of a level 5 hurricane. Well now we know at the cost of 1,300 lives.
Make people responsible for their own lives, their decisions affect them now and later.

Im done, stepping off my platform now.

Dixie

 

[Renee750il]

For your information, I am an engineer and am in the process of earning a masters degree. I simply didn't choose to be a manager and do my MBA.

So what you are telling me is that because someone studied economics he is entitled to more (we're telling like millions here) instead of a mere 40k 60k even 100k for the luckiest of us who builds the roads and bridges and buildings for these lardasses to sit their bums on the 100th floor?

FYI, ALL CEOs have bonus when they leave a company. We're talking millions here. Even when they are fired. Even when they did a shitty job. WHY?!

Why can't I do a shitty job and get a millions to get out of my obligations?

But you're right. If I wanted to be a cold hearted millionnare, I would have had to study management, get my mba and fight my way through corporatism.

I choose to live my passion as an poor engineer, and I'm a better person for it.

Thanks, Brem! My Dad is a civil engineer, and the two of your outlook is remarkably similar to his. Just prepare yourself for having to muck through all sorts of ignoble and ignorant who tell you something can't be done because it's never been done . . .

And always, always remember one cardinal rule: You can't fight with a stupid person, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

 

[Puckstop31]

And always, always remember one cardinal rule: You can't fight with a stupid person, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

Spoken like a true elitist snob!

 

[Renee750il]

Quote:
Why should a CEO make millions while I make 40k working my ass off so he makes profits, and bonuses and be a crook?


Because he went to college and is smarter than you. He plays the game instead of bitching about it.

'Don't hate the player, hate the game.'

Puck . . . any jackass with a credit card and internet access can paper-shop their way to an MBA, and it's just not that difficult to get into an MBA program either.

Getting through an engineering degree takes real intelligence and an ability to actuallysolve complex mathematical equations. So no, someone with an MBA isn't "smarter" than everyone else . . . quite the contrary. All too often they are just lazier and greedier.

 

[Debi]

I have one last rant here. my husband is self employed, therefore we pay for medical insurance out of our own pocket..to the tune of $450. a month..and that's with a $1,000.00 deductible. it is less than adequate, we still pay our own doc visits and prescriptions totally. it also only covers 80% up to $100,000. medical bills. so why would any rational person not expect me to be just a little jealous of people getting all the medical benefits they desire for free?? why...because my husband busts his chops everyday at a job of physical labor, should I be thrilled to see someone 'working the system' getting care for free? I don't deny anyone in need food...emergency shelter. but I won't ever feel happy about someone getting big ticket medical help for free because they refuse to do the labor jobs that are out there. NOW..to those folks truly disabled...it doesn't apply to you. does anyone think my hubby wouldn't just love to shuck it all and stay home? of course not. so to the losers on the system....I won't really feel your 'pain'. to those who truly need a hand....I will reach out and help, but to the extent that you start to help yourself when able. why is that thinking so wrong?? why shouldn't I think someone else should also work hard? I am a person of compassion, I just am not a person who is stupid. we didn't have anything handed to us. we worked hard for every single thing we gained. ok...rant over. LOL I just wish there were a true balance of helping really needy people, and just handing money over to losers because that's all they know. again....it should be simple for the welfare system to weed out those that are not deserving.

 

[Debi]

sorry, disagree. an MBA is NOT an easy accomplishment at all. that is NOT a fair statement.

 

[Renee750il]

Debi, not ALL MBAs are achieved that way, but you'd be dismayed at how many are. There are a plethora of internet sites where you can purchase everything you need to finish an MBA - no hassles, no studying, no brainer.

And the times I've had to deal with MBAs I would classify as functionally illiterate! Not to mention had no ability to comprehend anything intangible or theoretical

 

[smkie]

i added up what my ex has cost the American tax payer and the amount tho just an estimation because he is still out there creating problems exceeds 2 million..that is in surgeries, back child support he never paid on three children, medical cost on all from the damage he created..and does he get away with it..shoot, he is collecting the dole as well. Do people look at him and say here is a huge part of the problem..take him times hundreds and hundred..nope.
Dixie your the best!