What are your political views? Where do you stand? Take a test!
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Economic Left - Right: -3.13
Social Libertarian - Authoritarian: -2.26
That the test was made by leftists is beside the point btw, since you score pretty right and authoritarian, you naziboy!
What you would ideally vote for and what is proposed and available is unfortunatly not the same.
Other complex considerations have to be taken into account also.
Like I'm about free market, but I also believe in some kind of social security in case of bad luck. Some kind of lower income standards and such... so you can't always be square on some issues.
Social Libertarian - Authoritarian: -2.26
That the test was made by leftists is beside the point btw, since you score pretty right and authoritarian, you naziboy!
What you would ideally vote for and what is proposed and available is unfortunatly not the same.
Other complex considerations have to be taken into account also.
Like I'm about free market, but I also believe in some kind of social security in case of bad luck. Some kind of lower income standards and such... so you can't always be square on some issues.
If I was allowed to keep all of the money I have paid into taxes I would be able to pay for my house outright or pay for a much better education. Instead it has gone to causes that I disagree with. I would have had more money to put into causes that I do believe in..like keeping select members of my family out of the welfare programs. My sister has made bad decision after bad decision and YOU get to pay for it. How fair is that? Not only would shutting those programs down save you from paying into stupidity it would force her to remain in good graces with her family. Theres family values there!
I agree 100%
I am not in a great spot financially at the moment but all those people living off the system that I help pay for aren't busting down my door to give me a hand with my bills. You know what I do to pay my bills.... I WORK A FULL TIME JOB. It's not a great job but it pays the bills and I earn that money because no body is just throwing cash at me that I didn't work my a$$ off for.
We all have bad luck sometimes but we work our butts off to turn our luck around. We don't just sit around and wait for someone to do it for us.
I am a bill collector and it makes me sick when people tell me they can't pay their bills because they are a single mother barely getting by. I know TONS of single mothers that bust their humps day in and day out to provide for their children and don't expect any handouts from anyone. Then when I offer them an advance so they can take a few months to get back on their feet you know what they tell me.... "Well I am probably not going to get back on my feet. It's going to be this way forever." I have no sympathy for someone who does NOTHING to better their situation but expects me to just throw their bill out the window because life is hard. LIFE IS TOUGH WEAR A HELMET.
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This was my life 6 years ago:
Job: 8.20 per hour, 37.5 hours per week (I was not allowed to work more than that. company policy) which translated into about $1,000 per month after taxes
Rent: $350
Electric: $70
Phone: $50
Formula: $100
Diapers: $50
Credit Card minimum payment: $50
Car: $130
Car insurance: $70
My health insurance: $50
Daycare: $303
Total: $1476
That left me in the negative every month. I still needed money for food for myself, clothes for a baby which needed to be bought about every 3 months, necessities, and unexpected expenses. That 1,000 per month depended on IF I got to work every day. My son was sick with pneumonia and various other baby illnesses throughout the year. Thankfully, my son qualified for state health insurance. For a while, I got daycare assistance too, but it ended up that I made too much money to qualify for that. My family was also very supportive. I usually ended up owing them my income tax return each year and you better believe I paid back every cent. I was also trying to go to school. That failed because of the stress. When your life is like this and depression sets in, it is nearly impossible to cope with normal life, let alone trying to do something to make it better. When you can't see a way out, it's hard to get there.
It's very easy to sit back and say things like "I've watched so and so do such and such." But until you've been in their shoes, you are in no position to judge. If I had been more knowledgeable about the resources available to me, I would have gotten housing assistance and food stamps. Just maybe, I would have been able to finish school.
It worked out for me. I moved back home and a good job literally fell in my lap. I met someone, got married, and now we have a decent income. It doesn't work out that way for a lot of people. I can't imagine supporting 2 or more children on that income without any help. If you want to call me taking daycare assistance so I could work or health insurance for my baby because I didn't have the income to support it handouts, fine. I just hope you don't have to live through it yourself. You never know what's going to happen to you tomorrow. You could lose everything tomorrow with nowhere to turn. Until you have lived it, you cannot judge those who have.
Job: 8.20 per hour, 37.5 hours per week (I was not allowed to work more than that. company policy) which translated into about $1,000 per month after taxes
Rent: $350
Electric: $70
Phone: $50
Formula: $100
Diapers: $50
Credit Card minimum payment: $50
Car: $130
Car insurance: $70
My health insurance: $50
Daycare: $303
Total: $1476
That left me in the negative every month. I still needed money for food for myself, clothes for a baby which needed to be bought about every 3 months, necessities, and unexpected expenses. That 1,000 per month depended on IF I got to work every day. My son was sick with pneumonia and various other baby illnesses throughout the year. Thankfully, my son qualified for state health insurance. For a while, I got daycare assistance too, but it ended up that I made too much money to qualify for that. My family was also very supportive. I usually ended up owing them my income tax return each year and you better believe I paid back every cent. I was also trying to go to school. That failed because of the stress. When your life is like this and depression sets in, it is nearly impossible to cope with normal life, let alone trying to do something to make it better. When you can't see a way out, it's hard to get there.
It's very easy to sit back and say things like "I've watched so and so do such and such." But until you've been in their shoes, you are in no position to judge. If I had been more knowledgeable about the resources available to me, I would have gotten housing assistance and food stamps. Just maybe, I would have been able to finish school.
It worked out for me. I moved back home and a good job literally fell in my lap. I met someone, got married, and now we have a decent income. It doesn't work out that way for a lot of people. I can't imagine supporting 2 or more children on that income without any help. If you want to call me taking daycare assistance so I could work or health insurance for my baby because I didn't have the income to support it handouts, fine. I just hope you don't have to live through it yourself. You never know what's going to happen to you tomorrow. You could lose everything tomorrow with nowhere to turn. Until you have lived it, you cannot judge those who have.
My thoughts on Welfare. (Brace yourself....)
Contrary to what is probably thought... I am not an uncompassionate person. I understand that each situation is unique. However, if a person finds themselves in a position where they need public assistance, through a reason that is solely thier own fault (Debt, Children <yes, children... it takes two to tango.>, etc...) then they must pay it back... All of it, through income tax return garnishment if necessary. When children are involved, I am all for more forceful ways of getting deadbeat paretns to cough up the child support.
But, why should I pay for somebody else's mistakes/circumstances?
Like the only good thing The President said during the SOTU address, "..the problem of entitlements is not going away." I need only point at the horrible state of the welfare system in PA as an example....
Fire away... I am going to keep this civil, no matter what.
Contrary to what is probably thought... I am not an uncompassionate person. I understand that each situation is unique. However, if a person finds themselves in a position where they need public assistance, through a reason that is solely thier own fault (Debt, Children <yes, children... it takes two to tango.>, etc...) then they must pay it back... All of it, through income tax return garnishment if necessary. When children are involved, I am all for more forceful ways of getting deadbeat paretns to cough up the child support.
But, why should I pay for somebody else's mistakes/circumstances?
Like the only good thing The President said during the SOTU address, "..the problem of entitlements is not going away." I need only point at the horrible state of the welfare system in PA as an example....
Fire away... I am going to keep this civil, no matter what.
If it happens to me, it would not be my fault. Notice the criteria I used.
Proper Prior Planning Prevents P!ss Poor Performance.
Because he went to college and is smarter than you. He plays the game instead of bitching about it.
'Don't hate the player, hate the game.'
Yeah, until you are the one who has worked his ass off his whole life only to "share" it with losers who do nothing to improve themselves....
My IRA funds... My nest egg if you will, is quite comfortable. I live paycheck to paycheck NOW. In 20 years or so, I am going to be that fat rich guy you hate. Why? Because I worked hard and PLANNED. So, after my 40 years of toil, how do you think I would feel if I had to give HALF MY LIFES SAVINGS to pay for a crackhead's fix???
Share the wealth is a great thought, until you are the one paying.
This is why I am glad we can own guns in the US.
Proper Prior Planning Prevents P!ss Poor Performance.
Why should a CEO make millions while I make 40k working my ass off so he makes profits, and bonuses and be a crook?
'Don't hate the player, hate the game.'
Yeah, until you are the one who has worked his ass off his whole life only to "share" it with losers who do nothing to improve themselves....
My IRA funds... My nest egg if you will, is quite comfortable. I live paycheck to paycheck NOW. In 20 years or so, I am going to be that fat rich guy you hate. Why? Because I worked hard and PLANNED. So, after my 40 years of toil, how do you think I would feel if I had to give HALF MY LIFES SAVINGS to pay for a crackhead's fix???
Share the wealth is a great thought, until you are the one paying.
This is why I am glad we can own guns in the US.
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So the crook CEO deserves the money he steals...The CEO who causes his own salary and benefits to skyrocket while the worker without whom he couldn't survive is laid off DESERVES to be a jerk? Deserves not to pay taxes?
Not everyone is as fortunate as you, Puck. Not everyone has had the means in their lives to succeed. I agree that the welfare system needs some adjustment. Do you honestly believe that a person who can't afford health insurance or a place to live deserves to die on the curb? What about their kids? What should happen to them? They should just die on the curb too since they'll never amount to anything anyway, right. OOOH I know. Let's put them in orphanages and foster care. Let's take them from one bad situation and put thim into a worse one! Fantastic plan.
Not everyone is as fortunate as you, Puck. Not everyone has had the means in their lives to succeed. I agree that the welfare system needs some adjustment. Do you honestly believe that a person who can't afford health insurance or a place to live deserves to die on the curb? What about their kids? What should happen to them? They should just die on the curb too since they'll never amount to anything anyway, right. OOOH I know. Let's put them in orphanages and foster care. Let's take them from one bad situation and put thim into a worse one! Fantastic plan.
Woah... Yes, he CAN be a jerk all he wants. What he can't do is break the law. If they break the law, FRY them. (Thank you, BTW, for putting words in my mouth...) Being a jerk is legal however.
No one should be punished for beign successful, not even if they are a "jerk". Besides, do you KNOW any CEOs? I mean, other than the ones you read about in the paper or see on CNN? The scumbags are the extreme minority, but the good guys never make the news.
YES THEY DO. This is the United States of America. EVERYBODY who lives here legally has the opportunity to succeed. EVERYONE. All it takes is a lot of hard work, or to be born with a silver spoon. Fair? Perhaps not, but who was ever promised fair?
If they are not willing to earn a living and are in the place they are due to their own faults, YES.
If they are willing to work, then I have no problem with subsidzing them with the things they need until they can do it themselves. By this I mean give them ACTUAL food products and other physical things... Not a check.
Child Services?? Foster homes until their parents can support them? (shudder) FAITH based charities???
Frothing at the mouth much???
Nice work getting that line in there, "since they'll never amount to anything anyway, right." I never said that nor do I feel that way.
So instead of foster care or orphanges we give Mommy and Daddy a big check, right?? That fixes everything... "Free Money".
Like I said, give the money/stuff to those who need it. Just MAKE them pay it back. I think you would be amazed at how low the unemployment rate gets once that gets enacted.
Personally, the first place I would go if I was in dire straights would be my church. I can trust them and get help right away. To bad GOD is "illegal".
No one should be punished for beign successful, not even if they are a "jerk". Besides, do you KNOW any CEOs? I mean, other than the ones you read about in the paper or see on CNN? The scumbags are the extreme minority, but the good guys never make the news.
YES THEY DO. This is the United States of America. EVERYBODY who lives here legally has the opportunity to succeed. EVERYONE. All it takes is a lot of hard work, or to be born with a silver spoon. Fair? Perhaps not, but who was ever promised fair?
If they are not willing to earn a living and are in the place they are due to their own faults, YES.
If they are willing to work, then I have no problem with subsidzing them with the things they need until they can do it themselves. By this I mean give them ACTUAL food products and other physical things... Not a check.
Child Services?? Foster homes until their parents can support them? (shudder) FAITH based charities???
Frothing at the mouth much???
Nice work getting that line in there, "since they'll never amount to anything anyway, right." I never said that nor do I feel that way.
So instead of foster care or orphanges we give Mommy and Daddy a big check, right?? That fixes everything... "Free Money".
Like I said, give the money/stuff to those who need it. Just MAKE them pay it back. I think you would be amazed at how low the unemployment rate gets once that gets enacted.
Personally, the first place I would go if I was in dire straights would be my church. I can trust them and get help right away. To bad GOD is "illegal".
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My mom was a single parent. I mean yes my dad was in my life but he didn't pay child support. he would have had my mom asked for it but she didn't. She worked EVERY **** DAY. Don't tell me I don't know what its like. I grew up in it. But you know what the difference was? My mom didn't let the world get her down. My mom lost her job AND her mother to cancer at the same time. THATS depression for ya. Don't tell me I have never been in that position. I just didn't go out and get pregnant multiple times so that I could use my children as an excuse (not saying that is what you did before you get your knickers ina twist). Sure its hard for single mothers but one of my very good friends who I happen to work with is supporting THREE children ON HER OWN. She makes next to nothing just like me. But she comes in everyday with a big smile on her face and faces the world with a go get em attitude. her children love her and thank her everyday and that is enough for her to get off her butt and BUST HER HUMP. She doesn't want her children to grow up a victim of the system so she leads by example.
I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth nor do I work a fantastic job. But I survive without help from the government. Sure I have gotten help from my family. Who hasn't from time to time. But I pay that money back. In fact, my dad lives with me right now because he sold his house and didn't have an apartment at the time so he rents my second room. If you can't afford the rent better find a roommate. Work a second job. There are always solutions to every problem you just have to be willing to look for them.
Also my step brothers mother makes a HE!! of a good living. She sends him to a private school that costs a lot of money. You know why she can do that? BECAUSE she worked her A$$ off to get where she is. Are you telling me she doesn't deserve that money because she makes more than you do? It's wrong because she worked to get where she was and others are unfortunate because they made **** poor decisions? Everyone has the same opportunities as everyone else. What we choose to do with those opportunities is what makes the difference. You can sit back and say woe is me I have a crap job a crap life or you can say sure things are tough now but I am going to bust my hump to make sure that my kids have a good role model and have the tools they need to make good decisions. Therefore you get up everyday you work or you go to school or whatever it is you do. You don't complain, you don't come down on those that are more successful just because you are not. You do the best you can do. Work two jobs if you must. Get where you need to be. But if you sit back and complain and expect the world to come to your rescue then it is your OWN fault you are not successful.
NOW of course there are exceptions to every rule BUT for the most part people are leaching off the system.
NOW of course there are exceptions to every rule BUT for the most part people are leaching off the system.
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I'm so mad I can't see straight. I'm not arguing with you two anymore, no point. Your views are heartless and based on what you've seen happen with a few people who have taken advantage of the system.
I'm not arguing anymore ever with either one of you and you can say whatever you want to this Puck, but I'm not looking at this thread or any other political thread you post in ever again. I think you need to reevaluate you religion. Someone as heartless as you cannot call themselves a Christian.
I'm not arguing anymore ever with either one of you and you can say whatever you want to this Puck, but I'm not looking at this thread or any other political thread you post in ever again. I think you need to reevaluate you religion. Someone as heartless as you cannot call themselves a Christian.