Two Dog Households... questions!

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Can you tell I'm really starting to get excited and ready tonight? It's been helping with some of the sadness of last week.

Few questions since I've never ever lived in a two dog household before...

1. Taking walks... best tips for walks with two dogs- especially one tiny? Do you suggest those like leash splitter things?

2. Car rides... what do you do for your dogs? Jude sits in the front now. Ideally I want them both in the back in seat belts, after someone hit me from the back this year and I was so relieved Jude wasn't in the car- but do carseats really work? My dogs will be in the car almost every day.

3. Bowls and eating- do you put them near each other? Do they share water in the beginning? Do you feed the older dog first? How can i encourage Jude to not finish his food and go over and try to steal Jonah's food other than reprimanding him?

4. New puppy and older puppy... did it work out putting the little puppy in a crate? I think that's my plan. Jude likes to sleep in the living room. Would you put Jonah in the living room in a crate or in with me?

5. When I want to clicker train the new puppy- should I give Jude something to do? Raw meaty bones and kongs outside? Or should I teach him he needs to lay and watch. He has a really hard time with this at agility classes. Tips?

6. How do I not feel guilty!!! I want to bond with Jonah like I did with Jude- lay with him in bed sometimes- hug and kiss him- but I feel so guilty...

7. Toy sharing... Jude is very much an only child. Anyway to make this easier?

8. Any other overall tips... this is all foreign to me. I've never had two dogs before- nevermind an older puppy and a little puppy. I'm so excited- but in completely new territory. All of your advice is so, so appreciated.
 

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Can you tell I'm really starting to get excited and ready tonight? It's been helping with some of the sadness of last week.

Few questions since I've never ever lived in a two dog household before...

1. Taking walks... best tips for walks with two dogs- especially one tiny? Do you suggest those like leash splitter things?

Train the pup separately, he won't be able to go as long as Jude for a while anyway

2. Car rides... what do you do for your dogs? Jude sits in the front now. Ideally I want them both in the back in seat belts, after someone hit me from the back this year and I was so relieved Jude wasn't in the car- but do carseats really work? My dogs will be in the car almost every day.

doggie seat belts work well, yes invest in some

3. Bowls and eating- do you put them near each other? Do they share water in the beginning? Do you feed the older dog first? How can i encourage Jude to not finish his food and go over and try to steal Jonah's food other than reprimanding him?

Feed pup in crate for a while, will help in many ways

4. New puppy and older puppy... did it work out putting the little puppy in a crate? I think that's my plan. Jude likes to sleep in the living room. Would you put Jonah in the living room in a crate or in with me?

I crate train all my puppies before they go to new homes. Will this one be create trained already? are you talking at night or during the day? Either way you will want to be able to hear him if he needs to go out

5. When I want to clicker train the new puppy- should I give Jude something to do? Raw meaty bones and kongs outside? Or should I teach him he needs to lay and watch. He has a really hard time with this at agility classes. Tips?

Put Jude else where with a meaty bone etc, don't expect him to watch. And he might be too big a distraction for Jonah at the start

6. How do I not feel guilty!!! I want to bond with Jonah like I did with Jude- lay with him in bed sometimes- hug and kiss him- but I feel so guilty...

spend one on one time with each of them

7. Toy sharing... Jude is very much an only child. Anyway to make this easier?
any snarking means all toys leave for a while, or a time out for the offender, make sure Jude gets some peace from the pup to enjoy toys

8. Any other overall tips... this is all foreign to me. I've never had two dogs before- nevermind an older puppy and a little puppy. I'm so excited- but in completely new territory. All of your advice is so, so appreciated.
 

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Awesome, awesome tips- thank you Dekka! Things I wouldn't have thought of too.
 

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1. Taking walks... best tips for walks with two dogs- especially one tiny? Do you suggest those like leash splitter things?

I suggest until the pup has learned to walk on a loose lead, to keep walking seperate. A pain? Yes. But that way you can focus totally on the new pup and training him to walk properly on lead. Also, that way Jude won't get any naughty puppy tricks from Jonah. :p

2. Car rides... what do you do for your dogs? Jude sits in the front now. Ideally I want them both in the back in seat belts, after someone hit me from the back this year and I was so relieved Jude wasn't in the car- but do carseats really work? My dogs will be in the car almost every day.

Ideally, I want both mine to be in crates - no matter how long a ride. I have never used a seat belt and can't say I ever will. I prefer crates. If you are in a crash, to me a crate seems like the safest place for a dog to be.

3. Bowls and eating- do you put them near each other? Do they share water in the beginning? Do you feed the older dog first? How can i encourage Jude to not finish his food and go over and try to steal Jonah's food other than reprimanding him?

IIRC, they both got fed at the same time. I would just body block Lizzie from going over and eating Blaze's food. If I couldn't body block for some reason, then I would seperate them. Water is shared by all dogs from two seperate bowls in different locations. Has been since we had one dog.

4. New puppy and older puppy... did it work out putting the little puppy in a crate? I think that's my plan. Jude likes to sleep in the living room. Would you put Jonah in the living room in a crate or in with me?

With you in a crate. That way if he needs to go out or gets sick in the middle of the night, you will hear him right away.

5. When I want to clicker train the new puppy- should I give Jude something to do? Raw meaty bones and kongs outside? Or should I teach him he needs to lay and watch. He has a really hard time with this at agility classes. Tips?

I would make him watch either in a crate or being tethered to something, but not in a down/stay till you know he is very relieble and will hold it. That's just me. This is something that is super hard for Blaze, too. He whines like a baby when I'm working with another dog. He's gotten better since he knows I ignore him completely when he does this behavior, but he still doesn't like it very much. If you see no improvement and that it's upsetting Jude that much, then I would remove him - but at a last resort.

6. How do I not feel guilty!!! I want to bond with Jonah like I did with Jude- lay with him in bed sometimes- hug and kiss him- but I feel so guilty...
I don't think this is bad - you shouldn't feel guilty. Jude and Johan are two seperate dogs and you need to have a relationship with both of them seperately AND together. Bonding with your new pup is NOT bad. But do remember to include Jude, too, on occasion.

7. Toy sharing... Jude is very much an only child. Anyway to make this easier?
Not sure.

8. Any other overall tips... this is all foreign to me. I've never had two dogs before- nevermind an older puppy and a little puppy. I'm so excited- but in completely new territory. All of your advice is so, so appreciated.

Don't be afriad to do things with Jonah alone in the beginning. You need to grow that bond with him and pour alot of work into him while he's young. Like any puppy. On the same hand, Jude is your older dog. Don't let Jonah get away with things and create a 'pack' (I don't know what else to call it, even though I don't really like that name since it's gotten such a bad rap) mess. We made this mistake with Lizzie and Major. Oh, she's tiny and he's showing telling her off. No, he's disciplining her for being naughty. If you trust Jude, don't be afriad to let him show Jonah what is tolerated and what isn't. Lizzie was a FANTASTIC influence on Blaze.
 
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Can you tell I'm really starting to get excited and ready tonight? It's been helping with some of the sadness of last week.

Few questions since I've never ever lived in a two dog household before...

1. Taking walks... best tips for walks with two dogs- especially one tiny? Do you suggest those like leash splitter things?

2. Car rides... what do you do for your dogs? Jude sits in the front now. Ideally I want them both in the back in seat belts, after someone hit me from the back this year and I was so relieved Jude wasn't in the car- but do carseats really work? My dogs will be in the car almost every day.

3. Bowls and eating- do you put them near each other? Do they share water in the beginning? Do you feed the older dog first? How can i encourage Jude to not finish his food and go over and try to steal Jonah's food other than reprimanding him?

4. New puppy and older puppy... did it work out putting the little puppy in a crate? I think that's my plan. Jude likes to sleep in the living room. Would you put Jonah in the living room in a crate or in with me?

5. When I want to clicker train the new puppy- should I give Jude something to do? Raw meaty bones and kongs outside? Or should I teach him he needs to lay and watch. He has a really hard time with this at agility classes. Tips?

6. How do I not feel guilty!!! I want to bond with Jonah like I did with Jude- lay with him in bed sometimes- hug and kiss him- but I feel so guilty...

7. Toy sharing... Jude is very much an only child. Anyway to make this easier?

8. Any other overall tips... this is all foreign to me. I've never had two dogs before- nevermind an older puppy and a little puppy. I'm so excited- but in completely new territory. All of your advice is so, so appreciated.

1. I would walk them separately until you have a decent loose leash walk with the pup. For me, walking my dogs together on leash is a very different vibe than walking them separately. My dogs feed off each other and can be very intense/overly aware when they walk together, so I walk them separately most days. I know people whose dogs walk perfectly together. Really depends on the dogs. It's just easier to manage two dogs when they are both loose leash walkers.


2. I would put both in the backseat, Jude in a seatbelt or crate, and the puppy definitely in a crate. It's hard/deadly to supervise a puppy while driving.


3. My dogs are perfectly fine eating 2 feet away from from each other, but there are dogs that will rip each other's faces off if anywhere near each other. Know your dogs, don't take unnecessary risks. I give the oldest dog first, but that's only because his "spot" is closest to where I prepare the food. I allow my dogs to communicate/growl with each other only because they respect each other and Mitch will not retaliate, even if to save his life. Supervise Supervise Supervise. The fail safe is to feed them in their crates with locked doors.

4. Depends where you want the puppy to sleep in the future when/if he has free roam at night.

5. A solid down stay/ignore are important to have. If you struggle with this in agility, it would be a great idea to practice it at home.

6. Guilty because?? You still LOVE Jude, and you will love him even more during those trying puppy moments.

7. "Only child" as in he resource guards from other dogs? Keep high value toys off the ground and if need be, crate Jude when you are playing with the pup.

8. Don't over think things. You raised Jude into a handsome, great dog and you can do again!! Enjoy every moment. They grow up quickly!


***Sorry for any repeats, I got interrupted while writing my post, and people beat me too it***
 

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well i will offer my two cents:)

1) I keep both on their own leash.then i have more control of both without one dragging the other.
2) My dogs all ride in the back. I havent used a carseat someone else will have to chime in here.
3)All my dogs have their food bowls in diffrent corners. They have to sit and stay while I fill them all untill they are released to eat. ( Puck learned this very quickly by me holding him in place while i filled his bowl last) I fill all the bowls in no set order now they have the sit/stay solid.I had to acually protect pax's food. I stood next to the pup and when he was finished blocked him from leaving his stop till all the dogs had finished. My three have always shared a water bowl.
4) Puck was always crated in the living room with all of us and in the bedroom at night. I would say take him to your room at night for the bonding, then if he is scred or distressed you respond and not Jude, so he learns early to look to you. Puck was always with another dog before i got him, and never the human. Its taken the last three months to get him to come to the *humans for safety and affection first before the other dogs*
5) I have always had my older two go to their place while i work with puck * I dont use a clicker though) Then after the session if the older boys have been good and stayed quite they all get treats.
6) there is no reason to feel guilty! Both dogs will need and want one on one time with you. Make special time for them both.
7) See how jude reacts to the puppy and the toys. there may not be a problem.
8) Most important enjoy them both..:)))))
 

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Actually, I've heard crates are worse than seatbelt harnesses. Though, I have a truck, and I wouldn't put her in the bed, even in a crate. IF I had to, I'd bolt the crate to the bed of the truck, but it seems to me, she'd fare better in the cab in a seatbelt harness than a crate, unless it was a direct impact on her door.
 

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In advance, sorry for repeated advice.

1. Taking walks... best tips for walks with two dogs- especially one tiny? Do you suggest those like leash splitter things?
I've never had to use one of those. I hate them, but that's just my personal view, lol. You'll want to walk Jonah by himself anyway at first. I definitely don't recommend having a dog used to a leash walk and a pup newly introduced to leashes tied together. ;)

2. Car rides... what do you do for your dogs? Jude sits in the front now. Ideally I want them both in the back in seat belts, after someone hit me from the back this year and I was so relieved Jude wasn't in the car- but do carseats really work? My dogs will be in the car almost every day.
Millie rides in a seat belt and Lucy is in her crate. I'm getting a belt for Lucy, too. I woud rather be held back by a belt than be rolling and getting knocked around in a crate.

3. Bowls and eating- do you put them near each other? Do they share water in the beginning? Do you feed the older dog first? How can i encourage Jude to not finish his food and go over and try to steal Jonah's food other than reprimanding him?
My dogs always share water. When you first feed Jonah have Jude somewhere across the room with something to occupy himself with (some really good, like a RMB). Soon enough he'll be used to the fact that Jonah will be eating near him. If eventually he tries to eat Jonah's food make it impossible for him (think body block).

4. New puppy and older puppy... did it work out putting the little puppy in a crate? I think that's my plan. Jude likes to sleep in the living room. Would you put Jonah in the living room in a crate or in with me?
With a young puppy I think a crate in your room would be good. He can still be near you but you can use the crate as a potty training tool as well. It really depends on how you plan potty training him and where ideally, you want him to be at night.

5. When I want to clicker train the new puppy- should I give Jude something to do? Raw meaty bones and kongs outside? Or should I teach him he needs to lay and watch. He has a really hard time with this at agility classes. Tips?
What Jen said.

6. How do I not feel guilty!!! I want to bond with Jonah like I did with Jude- lay with him in bed sometimes- hug and kiss him- but I feel so guilty...
There is nothing wrong with adding a second dog. Your heart doesn't have to split the place where Jude is. It just grows to include Jonah. Who knows? They might end up being best friends!

7. Toy sharing... Jude is very much an only child. Anyway to make this easier?
What Dekka said.

8. Any other overall tips... this is all foreign to me. I've never had two dogs before- nevermind an older puppy and a little puppy. I'm so excited- but in completely new territory. All of your advice is so, so appreciated.
I see you're predisposed to feeling guilty just like I do sometimes. All I can say is try to find activities your boys like doing together, and make sure you spend quality time (alone time) with both of them when you can. It can be hard to balance at first, but it gets more like second nature after a while. Some dogs don't care about that (they don't really differentiate between time spent with you and other dogs and time spent just with you), but extremely people oriented dogs like border collies are more inclined to.
 

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So my answers are probably going to be similar to whats been said above, but more input the better right?

1. Taking walks... best tips for walks with two dogs- especially one tiny? Do you suggest those like leash splitter things?
I wouldnt do a coupler(leash splitter thing) because I think its nice to be able to keep the dogs at different lengths if needed. I dont walk both my dogs together that much and with a puppy, I would walk him with Jude sometimes so he knows how to act while walking with him but I would walk him alone more so you can have bonding him, work on polite walking and also its just easier.

2. Car rides... what do you do for your dogs? Jude sits in the front now. Ideally I want them both in the back in seat belts, after someone hit me from the back this year and I was so relieved Jude wasn't in the car- but do carseats really work? My dogs will be in the car almost every day.
I always use crates.

3. Bowls and eating- do you put them near each other? Do they share water in the beginning? Do you feed the older dog first? How can i encourage Jude to not finish his food and go over and try to steal Jonah's food other than reprimanding him?
I feed Rosco in the kitchen and then Pepzee in his x-pen in the room close to the kitchen, I wont let Pepzee out till Rosco is finnished eating. I like doing it this way because its safe.
They always share water.

5. When I want to clicker train the new puppy- should I give Jude something to do? Raw meaty bones and kongs outside? Or should I teach him he needs to lay and watch. He has a really hard time with this at agility classes. Tips?
When I train one dog the other is either crated in another room or outside. It just depends on what you want to do. I find it hard to really work with one dog if your really also working another, by rewarding him for chilling out, I know a lot of people who do this tho.

6. How do I not feel guilty!!! I want to bond with Jonah like I did with Jude- lay with him in bed sometimes- hug and kiss him- but I feel so guilty...
And that would be why my second dog wasnt a puppy!

7. Toy sharing... Jude is very much an only child. Anyway to make this easier?
Rosco was an only child for 4 years but he is just awesome with sharing toys, even tho he doesnt play with other dogs that much. I have fostered a lot of puppies over the years so he got experence there, he just has always been good about it.


8. Any other overall tips...
I think its really important to keep things the same for Jude, at least at first, so he doesnt feel replaced. With Rosco when I first got Pepzee I kept every single part of his routine the same, he got his regular play, training and walk sessions and the same attention he would always get before and then he got the added fun of having another dog to play with, so him and Pepzee do so awesome together and no one feels weird or left out, I dont think.
Its also nice to have a place Jude can go where the puppy cant bother him, so he can feel safe and that he can get away.
 

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On the feeding note... Fleetwood is a bossy pup, and when he sees someone else get something, or start eating or drinking, he runs over and tries to puSh them out of the way.

This may not be the case for your pup, but we immediately started teaching "wait your turn." we used the leash or body blocking, as well as treats to teach the dog that if someone else was eating or drinking, he wasn't allowed to go anywhere near until they walked away.

It worked like a charm, and it's a skill every pup could learn for their own safety.
 

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Thank you guys so mch- I'm so glad I asked. So much stuff I wouldn't have done on my own! Love all of the tips so much.

My breeder SAYS that Jonah is pretty passive- he is more of a cuddler- which Jude is not. who knows how he'll continue to develop- but that's what she says so much.

He will start crate training with the breeder so that's definitely good.

Thank you all! I'm sure I'll have many more questions when he gets here.
 

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i didn't read anyone elses responses, so I hope I'm not being too repetative!!

Can you tell I'm really starting to get excited and ready tonight? It's been helping with some of the sadness of last week.

Few questions since I've never ever lived in a two dog household before...

1. Taking walks... best tips for walks with two dogs- especially one tiny? Do you suggest those like leash splitter things?

I walk with my sister, so we each take one. But since Jude is a big boy, and Jonah's just a baby, I'd probably walk them at separate times because Jonah might not be able to keep up. It's not an issue with us, because Chloe's not very active anyway. :rofl1:

2. Car rides... what do you do for your dogs? Jude sits in the front now. Ideally I want them both in the back in seat belts, after someone hit me from the back this year and I was so relieved Jude wasn't in the car- but do carseats really work? My dogs will be in the car almost every day.

Sorry, I have no advice here. :( Usually we just have someone hold Chloe, and someone else hold Violet. When we'd take Holly on trips with us, she'd have "free run" of the back seats. She was really well behaved though, and would just lay in the far-back seat the whole time.

3. Bowls and eating- do you put them near each other? Do they share water in the beginning? Do you feed the older dog first? How can i encourage Jude to not finish his food and go over and try to steal Jonah's food other than reprimanding him?

I worried about this at first with my two. But they both eat/drink out of each others bowls with no problems. I'd see how Jude reacts to Jonah being around his bowl, and if it's an issue, feed them separately, if not, just let them be. It's hard because Chloe eats adult small breed food, and Violet eats puppy food, though, so generally I feed Chloe by herself in the bathroom, and just leave Violet's food out all day, and they'll both nibble on it.

But if you think Jude will be the stealer (Violet's the stealer here, Chloe doesn't like dry food so it's no biggie LOL) then I'm not sure what I'd do besides just feeding them separately.


4. New puppy and older puppy... did it work out putting the little puppy in a crate? I think that's my plan. Jude likes to sleep in the living room. Would you put Jonah in the living room in a crate or in with me?

Hmm. It's up to you. Violet sleeps in a crate downstairs, and Chloe sleeps upstairs with me in my bedroom. Violet STILL screams bloody murder for 20-30 minutes before quieting down (and it is LOUD, I can hear it upstairs) so you might not want Jonah in your room depending on how he handles the crate!

5. When I want to clicker train the new puppy- should I give Jude something to do? Raw meaty bones and kongs outside? Or should I teach him he needs to lay and watch. He has a really hard time with this at agility classes. Tips?

I'd put Jude outside. It'll be really destracting for the puppy if he's there. Violet won't do anything I want her to do if Chloe's around, because she wants to playplayplay with her. I put Chloe in the bathroom while I'm training Violet.

6. How do I not feel guilty!!! I want to bond with Jonah like I did with Jude- lay with him in bed sometimes- hug and kiss him- but I feel so guilty...

I know what you mean. It's hard, and Chloe still has a bit of jealousy, but she's such a good sweet dog, and doesn't make too big of an issue out of it. I just make sure to give Chloe just as much (if not more) attention as I give Violet.

7. Toy sharing... Jude is very much an only child. Anyway to make this easier?

Not sure really, Chloe just had to deal. We have lots of toys, so if one of the dogs stole a toy from the other, we'd just give them another toy.

8. Any other overall tips... this is all foreign to me. I've never had two dogs before- nevermind an older puppy and a little puppy. I'm so excited- but in completely new territory. All of your advice is so, so appreciated.

Just enjoy them! Don't get too worried about "messing up". I was/am scared to death to mess up with Violet. But I've found it's much more enjoyable when I just go with the flow, and deal with things as they come up. Of course I'm training her, and preparing her NOW for things that MAY arise in the future, but I'm not dwelling on that as much as I'm just rolling with the punches.

I was super scared of ruining/losing the bond I had with Chloe, when I got Violet. I didn't understand how it could be "the same" as it'd always been. And it's NOT the same, but my bond with Chloe has remained unscathed, and she's still my best friend. <3 I love Violet too, just in a very different way.

Good luck!!!! It's super fun! :D
 

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Lol I would be asking all the same questions if I was in your shoes

No advice but lots of YAY!! OMG PUPPY COMING SOON!!!
 

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No advice but lots of YAY!! OMG PUPPY COMING SOON!!!
I know, right? I'm so excited! haha

I don't have much to add... I've pretty much always had multiple dogs, and as long as they listen relatively well, don't fight, and don't go busting out the door and running down the street like crazy people they're just kind of allowed to be wild children... (although I won't lie, every few months someone attempts the "running down the street like crazy people" thing... :yikes: )
 

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The only thing I will add is that you will be amazed at how naturally it comes! ;)
 

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I probably may not be a good person to answer, as I have always lived in a multiple dog household... But it has been an adjustment to adjust to my two... Since its been Me and Maddie... and now its Me, Maddie, and Bailey ;)

(It was when Missy came home too, but that's a looong story)

But anyway...

1. Taking walks... best tips for walks with two dogs- especially one tiny? Do you suggest those like leash splitter things?
I agree with the others... I'd do it separately for now. Maybe when they're both exercised you could practice walking together - it'll be an adjustment for you and Jude. More distractions, for you and them ;)
I just started using a coupler for Maddie and Bailey, but for some reason it really has encouraged them to pull, and I've been working on it with them. They have to be in front (which I prefer, it's easier for me to keep an eye on them plus I trip easily LOL) and my two try and see who's going to be in front :p lol
At risk of sounding like a walking commercial I really, really like Ella's Lead - Marri's Lead. I can use the snaps to hook together, or to loop one around my belt for hands free working with the other, or something like that ;)

2. Car rides... what do you do for your dogs? Jude sits in the front now. Ideally I want them both in the back in seat belts, after someone hit me from the back this year and I was so relieved Jude wasn't in the car- but do carseats really work? My dogs will be in the car almost every day.
I do have dog harness seat belts, I've used them many many times, with fosters and with my own. I've used crates, too. Really I think its personal preference, although I prefer the harness seat belts, because I'd imagine it hurt to slam against the side of a crate in an accident. I also have one of those dividers to keep them in the back by the hatchback... But I'm also selfish and I like to have them close to me haha so, again, I prefer the seat belts. In my old car I had one of those child-rearview-mirror thingies to keep an eye on the dogs easily ;) haha

3. Bowls and eating- do you put them near each other? Do they share water in the beginning? Do you feed the older dog first? How can i encourage Jude to not finish his food and go over and try to steal Jonah's food other than reprimanding him?
Shared water, separate food bowls. I don't feed right next to eachother, I always feed Maddie first. I tell her leave it (you could body block if needed) and pick up their bowls when they're done. If I'm being lazy I use the baby gate to keep them seperate (because Maddie is genetically hungry and would eat until she'd bust haha)

4. New puppy and older puppy... did it work out putting the little puppy in a crate? I think that's my plan. Jude likes to sleep in the living room. Would you put Jonah in the living room in a crate or in with me?
Where did you crate Jude when he was younger?
I say with you ;) For reasons the others have already mentioned :p

5. When I want to clicker train the new puppy- should I give Jude something to do? Raw meaty bones and kongs outside? Or should I teach him he needs to lay and watch. He has a really hard time with this at agility classes. Tips?
Yes, this is the hardest thing for me right now, to be honest! I use frozen kongs, and RMBs, and I have to seperate with roomS. ;) The others hear the clicker, and they want to play, too!

6. How do I not feel guilty!!! I want to bond with Jonah like I did with Jude- lay with him in bed sometimes- hug and kiss him- but I feel so guilty...
Uhh... still working on this :rofl1:
the cuddling and spending time with is really not an issue... They both get attention, they're not jealous of eachother.
The problem I am having is I'm looking for a good foundation agility class for Bailey, and everywhere I look into I see classes that I... want to enter Maddie into, too :eek: lol

7. Toy sharing... Jude is very much an only child. Anyway to make this easier?
More toys?
LOL But my dogs are way too spoiled! We really never had an issue with this

8. Any other overall tips... this is all foreign to me. I've never had two dogs before- nevermind an older puppy and a little puppy. I'm so excited- but in completely new territory. All of your advice is so, so appreciated.

This!!
The only thing I will add is that you will be amazed at how naturally it comes!
 
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1. Taking walks... best tips for walks with two dogs- especially one tiny? Do you suggest those like leash splitter things?

Since you'll have one puppy and one adult dog, I'd probably walk them seperately - Jude will be able to walk much longer and faster than Jonah, and you'll want to work on training with Jonah as well. Mine are 3 and 4 respectively, and I walk them together all the time - Jack heels on my right, and Missy heels on my left.

2. Car rides... what do you do for your dogs? Jude sits in the front now. Ideally I want them both in the back in seat belts, after someone hit me from the back this year and I was so relieved Jude wasn't in the car- but do carseats really work? My dogs will be in the car almost every day.
If there's two people in the car, both dogs ride loose in the backseat. If it's just me (or my mom) in the car, Missy sits in the back (loose), and Jack sits in the front passenger seat (loose).

3. Bowls and eating- do you put them near each other? Do they share water in the beginning? Do you feed the older dog first? How can i encourage Jude to not finish his food and go over and try to steal Jonah's food other than reprimanding him?
They share one water dish - never had any problems with guarding or anything. I feed them at the same time, from seperate dishes, in two seperate ends of the kitchen. If Jude has a reliable sit-stay or down-stay, use that to your advantage. I have Missy sit and stay in her area of the kitchen while I go give Jack his food, and then I'll come back to her and give her her food. I feed Missy first because she eats way faster than Jack does, so I give him a bit of a head start.

4. New puppy and older puppy... did it work out putting the little puppy in a crate? I think that's my plan. Jude likes to sleep in the living room. Would you put Jonah in the living room in a crate or in with me?
Wherever you want him to sleep in the long run, start there. My dogs were both house-trained adults when we got them, so I didn't really do the crate-training thing. At night, Jack is babygated in my room, and Missy is babygated in my mom's room - they both try to get into things in the kitchen at night if they're left to roam.

5. When I want to clicker train the new puppy- should I give Jude something to do? Raw meaty bones and kongs outside? Or should I teach him he needs to lay and watch. He has a really hard time with this at agility classes. Tips?
While you're training one dog, definitely give the other something to do. Something to chew on, a stuffed Kong, whatever works. Confine Jude in another room or outside while you're training Jonah, and vice versa.

6. How do I not feel guilty!!! I want to bond with Jonah like I did with Jude- lay with him in bed sometimes- hug and kiss him- but I feel so guilty...
It'll get easier - just make a point to spend time with each one individually.

7. Toy sharing... Jude is very much an only child. Anyway to make this easier?
I can't really give any advice here. This really isn't a problem in my house as Missy doesn't really play with toys.
 

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I don't trust couplers at all. IF we were attacked one dog would be pulled in and I would be helpless to free. Plus I want my dog paying attention to the leash being controlled by me, and not by the other dog. IT isn't hard to keep two leashes going.

As to cuddling, include the other dog. It was so funny that if I was loving on one dog, Mary, or Victor too would come and love Pepper up by licking and nibbling gently. We just do it together...lets' give Pepper sugars, Lets give Victor sugars, it is a family affair. Especially in the beginning when jealousy can develop.

Everyone has their own bowl for food, and share a water bowl. I always place several feet apart even tho there is no animosity between my dogs. Just habit.

toys are universal. If one is being coveted, I would put it away for now and reintroduce when they know each other much better.

My old boss always said it was easier to train a puppy with a trained dog. THat is much the way I did it with Pepper. VIctor and Mary would sit and stay and pepper saw them doing this as she learned. She caught on very quickly. Works great on recall too.


I was thinking too that Mary was furious with me when i brought Victor home. One day she liked him, three days and she knew now he wasn't going anywhere and she gave me serious stink eye for weeks. But she got over it, and he tho he never was like her son, became her friend.

Victor thought Pepper was some punk kid I brought home, not worthy of his affection for a long time. It took weeks and even a couple months before he thought maybe she wasnt' so bad after all. Not until Higgs was trying to hump her and was hurting her, and I couldn't get to them in time that Victor ran to the rescue and with big eyes warned Higgs off. EVer after that, she is HIS baby girl.

So even if things are warm and fuzzy to begin with, don't give up. They will get there in their own good time.
 
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I might be repeating some stuff others have already said, but having always been a multi dog house-hold, I wanted to share my experiences as well. :)

1. Taking walks... best tips for walks with two dogs- especially one tiny? Do you suggest those like leash splitter things?

I wouldn't walk them together currently. Wait until both dogs have good leash manners before you walk them together. Walking them separately, although kind of a pain sometimes, is also a good opportunity for some one on one time for you and both Jude and Jonah. And when you are able to walk them together at some point, I recommend two separate leashes. I really don't like coupler leads. They get in the way, and I just find them irritating. I prefer the control of having a leash for each dog should I need it. With a coupler, should something happen, or if one dog is faster paced than the other, the outcome just generally isn't good.

2. Car rides... what do you do for your dogs? Jude sits in the front now. Ideally I want them both in the back in seat belts, after someone hit me from the back this year and I was so relieved Jude wasn't in the car- but do carseats really work? My dogs will be in the car almost every day.

I prefer all dogs to ride in crates for safety reasons, but I understand it's not possible for everyone. Our car is too small for three crates the sizes we need, and so Keira and Dance ride in the backseat (generally free, but they do have seatbelts -- they just manage to get all twisted up in them somehow though) and Ripley rides in the very back if we're taking all of them together somewhere.

3. Bowls and eating- do you put them near each other? Do they share water in the beginning? Do you feed the older dog first? How can i encourage Jude to not finish his food and go over and try to steal Jonah's food other than reprimanding him?

My dogs always share water, and I feed them in close vicinity to one another (different corners of the kitchen), but not side by side. I tend to feed in the order the dogs came to us (so Dance first, then Keira and then Ripley)... they don't really care in which order they eat though I don't think. Sometimes the Dobes' order gets turned around, and nobody complains. And if Jude tries to steal Jonah's food (and vice verse), tell him to leave it alone and redirect back to his own bowl.

4. New puppy and older puppy... did it work out putting the little puppy in a crate? I think that's my plan. Jude likes to sleep in the living room. Would you put Jonah in the living room in a crate or in with me?

I'd put Jonah in a crate in your bedroom for now. You want yourself to be the one to comfort him (not coddle, but you want him to know you're there if he starts fussing in the night) those first few nights he's home, and I think he'd be happier being with you than alone in the livingroom with Jude.

5. When I want to clicker train the new puppy- should I give Jude something to do? Raw meaty bones and kongs outside? Or should I teach him he needs to lay and watch. He has a really hard time with this at agility classes. Tips?

I either put my dogs in a wait while I work with another, or send them to another room. When I work with an individual dog, I don't want the others crowding us. You can definitely give Jude something else to do of course. Just don't have him getting in the way of Jonah's sessions.

6. How do I not feel guilty!!! I want to bond with Jonah like I did with Jude- lay with him in bed sometimes- hug and kiss him- but I feel so guilty...

Honestly, I find it really hard to get the same close bond with a second dog as you do the first. Simply because there is more than one dog to focus your time and attention on now. It is possible though, and you just have to make sure when you want some one on one Jonah time, that Jude doesn't shove his way in. And when you're done with Jonah, it can be Jude's turn. When you have multiple dogs, one dog can't be the centre of attention all the time -- it's impossible. But when you say so, one dog can be the centre of attention some of the time. It's all about balance, and you don't have to feel guilty.

7. Toy sharing... Jude is very much an only child. Anyway to make this easier?

Don't expect them to understand the concept of "Jude's toys vs. Jonah's toys". I don't leave a bunch of toys out for my dogs (because they wreck them all, so I only bring them out for playtime) aside from Nylabones and Kongs, but they're all good about sharing them. If one dog is chewing a bone and another tries to steal, I do allow a little warning growl from the chewer (it never escalates and only happens when the other dog is being rude). Another dog shouldn't be allowed to walk up and steal something right from the other dog's paws or mouth. And if the other dog persists, I tell him him/her to leave it alone and try redirecting to something else. In my home though, it seems that what one dog has is what the other will always want. I have all sorts of bones and such laying around the house, but Ripley will sit and wait and not chew or do anything at all until Dance is done with her bone. And when she walks away, he'll take that one. I don't allow resource guarding, and none of my dogs do resource guard. They're allowed to communicate nicely to another to back off if they're being rude, and for the most part they work things out just fine on their own. Sometimes they do steal from one another, as most of the time my dogs won't say anything, in which case I'll take the bone back from the thief and give it back to the dog who originally was enjoying it (and try giving a new bone to the thief).

8. Any other overall tips... this is all foreign to me. I've never had two dogs before- nevermind an older puppy and a little puppy. I'm so excited- but in completely new territory. All of your advice is so, so appreciated.

The biggest thing I feel is important in multi dog ownership is not to let your dogs become dependent on one another. A friendship bond is good, but I don't want to see a dog become totally attached at the hip to the other dog. My dogs are all friends. They play together, they sleep together, they enjoy eachother's company. But they do not care if one goes somewhere without the other, they do not care if one leaves and doesn't come back for a while, etc. They like eachother, but their people (mom and I) are the most important things to them. I want my dogs' bonds and relationships to be stronger with humans than the other dogs in the home. So I make sure any new puppy I bring in has a lot of one on one time with me and that the other existing dog is not always with us. I take them separately for walks, I play with them outside separately, I'll even put the adult dog away for some alone time in the house with a puppy. Not enough that the first dog/s get jealous or to the point where I feel guilty about not spending enough time with them, but I do feel it is very important for a puppy to have quite a bit of time alone just you and him/her. I know a lot of people who seem to get a dog for their dog, rather than another dog for themselves who will also be the other dog's friend. And alternatively, I will also crate the puppy so he/she can have some quiet time (and it's good for crate training anyway), and have some alone time with the adult dogs.
 

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