Two Dog Households... questions!

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Can you tell I'm really starting to get excited and ready tonight? It's been helping with some of the sadness of last week.

Few questions since I've never ever lived in a two dog household before...

1. Taking walks... best tips for walks with two dogs- especially one tiny? Do you suggest those like leash splitter things?
- I would do individual walks and integrate tandem walks later on when the puppy is a ways along in training. Always have individual walks also, its nice to have one on one time. Which you'll have to reproof an everything with walking them together because they tend to get more jacked up about stimuli with a buddy. It depends on whether I use the splitter or individual leashes. If I want to work specifically on heeling and its a path thats really squirell heavy or whatever I usually use individual leashes. If its a mostly deserted path and I'm using the long line they are on the splitter. Another thing to be aware of is the possibility of redirection if one of them is frustrated about something: Lily is in this ongoing pissing contest with a coonhound bitch that lives in a yard we pass and if she's frustrated about it she tries to redired onto Scout. Correcting it only amps up drive, so I've found using food reward to distract my little food ***** into doing obedience/focus work to be effective.

2. Car rides... what do you do for your dogs? Jude sits in the front now. Ideally I want them both in the back in seat belts, after someone hit me from the back this year and I was so relieved Jude wasn't in the car- but do carseats really work? My dogs will be in the car almost every day.
-I don't let them ride in front. Backseat only. If I had an SUV I would have them in crates honestly.

3. Bowls and eating- do you put them near each other? Do they share water in the beginning? Do you feed the older dog first? How can i encourage Jude to not finish his food and go over and try to steal Jonah's food other than reprimanding him?
-They are fed in crates with doors closed or on their cable tie outs when we're at my mom's. I make them kennel up at the same time before I hand out food. Feeding in crates will head off any problems at the pass. ;)
On road trips I make everyone lay down and stay in one spot during feeding time. Nobody is allowed to move until I put everything away after they are done.
They do fine sharing water bowls.


4. New puppy and older puppy... did it work out putting the little puppy in a crate? I think that's my plan. Jude likes to sleep in the living room. Would you put Jonah in the living room in a crate or in with me?
I would make a new puppy sleep in the crate. Easiest way to crate train is to feed and sleep in the crate.
My dogs sleep in the bedroom with me and I know if I had their kennels in my room they'd probably sleep in them. As it is there are a couple dog beds they trade off on. Lily usually moves up to the bed in the wee hours of the morning.


5. When I want to clicker train the new puppy- should I give Jude something to do? Raw meaty bones and kongs outside? Or should I teach him he needs to lay and watch. He has a really hard time with this at agility classes. Tips?
I would kennel the other dog during your training sessions to start. Maybe give Jude a training session first?
Then later on have each of them lay and watch during the others' turn. It will be excellent practice for them both.


6. How do I not feel guilty!!! I want to bond with Jonah like I did with Jude- lay with him in bed sometimes- hug and kiss him- but I feel so guilty...
If you feel guilty I gauruntee Jude will figure it out and work it. You need to be able to treat them equally, don't feel guilty and don't let Jude be a jerk to the puppy.

7. Toy sharing... Jude is very much an only child. Anyway to make this easier?
Multiples of the toys. Individual toy time with very special toys. If Jude starts guarding toys, keep them picked up and have only individual toy time.

8. Any other overall tips... this is all foreign to me. I've never had two dogs before- nevermind an older puppy and a little puppy. I'm so excited- but in completely new territory. All of your advice is so, so appreciated.
Just keep up NILIF and keep everything on a tight schedule. It'll be fine. Its different, but it way fun in a whole different way. Now when you get four high maintenence dogs in one house, or on a roadtrip, thats a real trial and party all in one. lol.
 

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A note on crates. If you are worried about safety in a crash DON'T use wire crates. Over all from the tests I have heard of seat belts are the safest, plastic crates a close second. Wire crates are as dangerous as being loose (from what I remember..)
 

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Why is that, Dekka? Because something would jab them or a leg could get caught sticking out the bars?
 

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I would think that face planting in a wire crate would be no different than face planting against, say, the dash, in an accident.
But, that's just a guess... or an image that I always get when I think about it :eek:
 

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If any part of cage takes an impact (like being hit in the rear if your dogs are behind the wheels in the 'crumple' zone of an SUV type, or being t boned if your dog is in the back seat) where the crate is, metal crates become a whole bunch of little metal impaling sticks. Though it is safer than nothing. (a dog in a seat belt won't face plant into a dash board either)

I have heard that seat belts are also safer because of many crates opening when deformed in an accident and the dog runs off in fear. I get a lot of alerts for such things through various dog communities. Seems dogs often run off after accidents, even those you would NEVER think would leave their human.
 

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If any part of cage takes an impact (like being hit in the rear if your dogs are behind the wheels in the 'crumple' zone of an SUV type, or being t boned if your dog is in the back seat) where the crate is, metal crates become a whole bunch of little metal impaling sticks. Though it is safer than nothing. (a dog in a seat belt won't face plant into a dash board either)

I have heard that seat belts are also safer because of many crates opening when deformed in an accident and the dog runs off in fear. I get a lot of alerts for such things through various dog communities. Seems dogs often run off after accidents, even those you would NEVER think would leave their human.
I got into an accident with Jackson and had I not been conscious or been wheeled away in an ambulance or something, he most certainly would have ran. He was soooo freaked out and trying EVERY way to get as far away as humanely possible. We were on the side of the road and he was only on a 6ft leash but he was at the very end of the leash pulling and tugging in every which direction and finally went and hid in this ditch on the side of the road (with me holding onto his leash). Yeah, I probably would have never seen him again if I was not ok. He now always sits in his Snoozer carseat buckled in.
 

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Yes. I would definitely worry about even a plastic crate busting. I don't like or use metal crates. Enzo rides up front in a seat belt harness, and my passenger side doesn't have an airbag. Also, I have no rear seat to put her in. (single cab truck)
 

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1. Taking walks: When I walk them together, I walk Logan in a heel on the left, and Gavroche in a side on the right. If we're hiking they're in front of me side by side ( their choice). Most of the time I take one dog at a time, though, so I can train.

2. Car rides: Gavroche's spot is shotgun, belted in, with the airbags off. Logan's spot is in the back seat belted in. They do both fit in the back together, belted in, though. They can go in cargo if they need to, but I like the seats (and therefore seatbelts) better.

3. Bowls and eating: At first they each ate in their crates and had their own water bowls in their crates, plus a couple shared water bowls throughout the house. Now (due to moving and the configuration/limitations of the new space) Logan eats in his crate with the top latch closed (to prevent Gavroche from stealing his food), Gavroche eats outside the crate, and there is one water bowl in the crate, one outside of the crate, and one downstairs. I don't have any feeding issues other than Logan thinking I'm trying to poison him if he needs meds for anything :rofl1: They will chew things side by side, head to tail, with no issues, too.

4. New puppy and older puppy: Logan was 1 year when I got him and Gavroche was almost 3 at the time. Logan was crated in my room overnight for a while and they were both crated (separately) in my room when I was gone during the day. Now they're both loose at night, and crated when I'm gone - due to space, Logan is crated downstairs and Gavroche in my bedroom.

5. When I want to clicker train: Sometimes I crate Gavroche, sometimes if he's behaving I let him chill on the bed or couch and watch. It depends what we're doing, what Logan's attention is like, and what Gavroche is doing. If he can learn that when you tell him to stay and go to work with the puppy he is to stay and chill, that's great.

6. How do I not feel guilty! For me it's a little different. I know I HAVE to work with Logan because he'll be my service dog and I need to train him, and sometimes that means less time/training with Gavroche. I can understand this, but other people seem to not get it. I've had to go so far as to take both dogs with me to outings and just leave Gavroche in the car to make my mom happy :rolleyes: And of course I'm bonded with Logan, and we get more bonded every day, but Gavroche is my heart dog 100% and I know I'll never have anything like the bond I have with him with any other dog. It's hard to explain, unless you know what it's like to have a heart dog. Of course I love Logan and I wouldn't trade him for the world, but he's not my heart dog.

7. Toy sharing: Oy. Gavroche was an only child for way too long! :rofl1: I get 2 of the same toy when I can, or multiple toys, or if they want the SAME toy (regardless of if there's 5 identical copies of that toy, they argue over ONE toy) then I distract one or the other with training, a treat, or some other cool toy. They do share and Logan's actually pretty good at sharing, but Gavroche can sometimes be an ass when it comes to sharing.
 

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Even if a plastic crate busted, it would almost certainly be less dangerous than a metal crate breaking. I love Millie's seat belt, though since her SD vest is also a backpack (i.e. bulky), it's hard for her to be wearing what she needs to be wearing and be buckled in. :/

I want to find a good seat belt for Lucy. I feel pretty comfortable when she's in her crate, but I'd really like a belt for her, too. It's harder to find a nice one for a small dog, though. Usually all they are is a little pouch with a strap that attaches to the dog's collar. The last thing a dog needs in an accident is be hanging by its neck.
 

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Usually all they are is a little pouch with a strap that attaches to the dog's collar.
I've never seen that? I have this one for Gavroche:
and I KNOW they have them for small dogs too. My roommate had them for her mini doxies and they had some even smaller than that at the store. I've heard the Roadie is a good seatbelt, too, though I haven't used it myself.

I really want a seatbelt with all metal hardware, though. They have some nice one at Petsmart but the chestplate is entirely TOO WIDE for either of my dogs, but especially Logan.

Logan wears one similar to this Guardian Gear Ride Right Dog Car Harnesses | PetEdge.com
It fits nicely under his vest (vest has to come off in the car) but I really would like something more substantial for him.
 

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I'll look that up, Sael. I'll end up ordering online, anyway. At Petsmart and Petco their small or even x-small sizes are not small enough for Lucy. She's built strangely; leggy and heavy (muscular) normally (not right now since she's sick, she's super skinny), but she has a small girth that makes a seat belt for her have to be teensy.
 

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