so McCain's choice is interesting
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I'm not talking about capability, I'm talking about stress. I'm talking about having a lot on your mind. As for the daughter needing her mother . . .yes, many teenage daughters are disowned, and that's tragic. But if I were pregnant (and I'm 31) it would be my mother I wanted to talk to. Not my father. Sure, I'd talk to Dad about some things, but the experience of being pregnant? How to care for the baby? My feelings? No. And I have a very close relationship with my father. But I'd need Mom, I'd want Mom.
Can she do it? Sure. But is it prudent? I'm not sure. But as I said. Its not a deal breaker for me.
As for her turning Washington on its head, she will alright. Whether you will like the results . . . well, the Bush adminstration has turned WAshington on its head, and I am horrified at some of the results. Do we need change in Washington. Yes. Do we need the kind of change she'd bring? I don't think so. I don't think someone who is further to the religious right than Bush, who thinks God wants her to build gas pipelines, is really what this country needs. (Note, I'm all for gas pipelines, but I don't think God gives a hoot one way or another).
It's not like contact with her mother will be totally cut off. She can still talk to her mother about her pregnancy, about the baby care, etc etc. My mom lives 9 hours away and we talk as often as possible. She wasn't right where I could touch her during my pregnancy but she was a phone call away. and if she wasn't available when I called she would call me back when she could or vice versa.
I just don't think that how much time she will have to spend with her children should be in question if they aren't going to question every candidate about how much time they will have to spend with their children.
She has managed to be a mom to them just fine when she was governor.
I don't know... I guess as a mom having my devotion to my children questioned just because I had a career would really p!ss me off.
It shouldn't even be an issue... it has nothing to do with her politics. but the media for some reason always focuses on that kind of nonsense that is really not relevant to her position.
I just don't think that how much time she will have to spend with her children should be in question if they aren't going to question every candidate about how much time they will have to spend with their children.
She has managed to be a mom to them just fine when she was governor.
I don't know... I guess as a mom having my devotion to my children questioned just because I had a career would really p!ss me off.
It shouldn't even be an issue... it has nothing to do with her politics. but the media for some reason always focuses on that kind of nonsense that is really not relevant to her position.
I wonder...what do ya'll think of deployed mothers? I mean really...Sara Palin at least will be stateside for her kids...and you dont think she can handle it...but what about those mothers of young children who are deployed overseas??
They're gone for up to two years, under interminable amounts of stress, they clearly can't breast feed, dont have much contact, and in many cases come back with nightmares and horrors and injuries.
Sara Palin will be with her family and son, under stress...but at least she'll be able to see them and pump and/or feed, and she probably wont come out of this with too much undue harm.
Gads -- what must you think of us Military woman, who put our career before our families, who volunteer it. We all must be terrrible terrible mothers.
I also wanted to make a point about oil. I hope everyone knows we simply cannot stop drilling for oil...even if every car and every home and every building was on alternative energy, there are too many things that require oil to be made...tires, rubber, plastic, CDs, Balloons, trash bags, asphalt, glue, bras, lubricants, hearing aids, dish detergent, hair color products, paint, styraphome, insulation, life jackets, linoleum, lipstick, pens, parachutes, movie film, medecine, petro jelly, rubber bands, running shoes, shoe polish, glasses, wax, etc... You'd be surprised how many people dont realize so many things necissary to our every day life would be gone without oil.
~Cate
They're gone for up to two years, under interminable amounts of stress, they clearly can't breast feed, dont have much contact, and in many cases come back with nightmares and horrors and injuries.
Sara Palin will be with her family and son, under stress...but at least she'll be able to see them and pump and/or feed, and she probably wont come out of this with too much undue harm.
Gads -- what must you think of us Military woman, who put our career before our families, who volunteer it. We all must be terrrible terrible mothers.
I also wanted to make a point about oil. I hope everyone knows we simply cannot stop drilling for oil...even if every car and every home and every building was on alternative energy, there are too many things that require oil to be made...tires, rubber, plastic, CDs, Balloons, trash bags, asphalt, glue, bras, lubricants, hearing aids, dish detergent, hair color products, paint, styraphome, insulation, life jackets, linoleum, lipstick, pens, parachutes, movie film, medecine, petro jelly, rubber bands, running shoes, shoe polish, glasses, wax, etc... You'd be surprised how many people dont realize so many things necissary to our every day life would be gone without oil.
~Cate
and who says her family isn't first?
there are millions of women who feel that their family comes first but still have careers. Doesn't mean their devotion to their families is any less and it doesn't mean that they don't put just as much if not more effort into it as SAHM's do. I am blessed to be able to be a stay at home mom but that's not something that all women want or can do. doesn't make them any less of a mother.
there are millions of women who feel that their family comes first but still have careers. Doesn't mean their devotion to their families is any less and it doesn't mean that they don't put just as much if not more effort into it as SAHM's do. I am blessed to be able to be a stay at home mom but that's not something that all women want or can do. doesn't make them any less of a mother.
The problem with this train of thought -- with attacking Palin's ability as a mother is that you also start to question a woman -- ANY woman's ability to hold a career AND a family. You start to question a womans ability to be in the military AND have a family.
So where does it end? At what point can a woman have a career they love, a career where they feel like they are doing some greater good, and still; have a family. Can a woman do both? Can't they. I'm failry certain only one person can judge this...and that is Palin herself.
Having other people judge for her is not better than having a husband tell his wife she has to stay at home and take care of the kids because HE doesnt think SHE can juggle a family and a career. But how does he know? How do you know...how can you make that judgement for her? Ya'll arent being any better than those men that so many of us in any other situation would berate. How do you know what she can and cant do??
And where do you draw the lines? At what point does it become approrpiate for everyone else to make that judgement that a woman can or cant do anything. Ya'll are propogating that same thought...and you may think you're just questioning her abilities...but what you're really doing is questioning EVERY woman's abilities to handle a high stress career and kids....because people are going to hear and read this stuff and say...well if she cant do it then my wife probably can't...or my daughter probably can't or my sister probably can't. If we as American dont really think she can...then really where are we in terms of Gender Equality...especially when it is the women saying things like that?!?
I know what I would do....what I expect her to do. I would flip ya'll the bird and tell you that I am a woman, I know what I can handle, I WILL NOT be a second class citizen...and I am going to do what I am going to do because I know what's best for me and my family...not YOU.
~Cate
So where does it end? At what point can a woman have a career they love, a career where they feel like they are doing some greater good, and still; have a family. Can a woman do both? Can't they. I'm failry certain only one person can judge this...and that is Palin herself.
Having other people judge for her is not better than having a husband tell his wife she has to stay at home and take care of the kids because HE doesnt think SHE can juggle a family and a career. But how does he know? How do you know...how can you make that judgement for her? Ya'll arent being any better than those men that so many of us in any other situation would berate. How do you know what she can and cant do??
And where do you draw the lines? At what point does it become approrpiate for everyone else to make that judgement that a woman can or cant do anything. Ya'll are propogating that same thought...and you may think you're just questioning her abilities...but what you're really doing is questioning EVERY woman's abilities to handle a high stress career and kids....because people are going to hear and read this stuff and say...well if she cant do it then my wife probably can't...or my daughter probably can't or my sister probably can't. If we as American dont really think she can...then really where are we in terms of Gender Equality...especially when it is the women saying things like that?!?
I know what I would do....what I expect her to do. I would flip ya'll the bird and tell you that I am a woman, I know what I can handle, I WILL NOT be a second class citizen...and I am going to do what I am going to do because I know what's best for me and my family...not YOU.
~Cate
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Sorr....that being said...I have no intention of having a baby until I am non-deployable...because on a personal level I dont think I could handle it...so I will avoid the situation all together. But thats me...and I know what I need to do to make myself and my family happy for the time being.
Oh -- And I was mostly raised by my Dad. I love my mom dearly...but she wasnt really all that active in me being raised because she was the member of several comittees and also the money bringer for the household -- she held an executive management position at a hospital. She was around in the evenings, and on some weekends...but Dad was the soccor mom for both me and my brother. But in the end I think I turned out a pretty OK kid...I didnt do drugs, I didnt drink (except with the family), and I refrained from sex until I was 17...so...Dont diss the Dad's either.
I dont love my mother any less...and she was still there (still is) when I needed her to be...even now though my parents are now seperated and live hours apart (I live with my Dad in my old home when not at school).
In retrospect...she was a good model in so many ways...It's funny that I am only now just realizing that. I wonder what ya'll would think of her.
~Cate
Oh -- And I was mostly raised by my Dad. I love my mom dearly...but she wasnt really all that active in me being raised because she was the member of several comittees and also the money bringer for the household -- she held an executive management position at a hospital. She was around in the evenings, and on some weekends...but Dad was the soccor mom for both me and my brother. But in the end I think I turned out a pretty OK kid...I didnt do drugs, I didnt drink (except with the family), and I refrained from sex until I was 17...so...Dont diss the Dad's either.
I dont love my mother any less...and she was still there (still is) when I needed her to be...even now though my parents are now seperated and live hours apart (I live with my Dad in my old home when not at school).
In retrospect...she was a good model in so many ways...It's funny that I am only now just realizing that. I wonder what ya'll would think of her.
~Cate
Okay guys and girls........while at work today some of the men were discussing Palin.
I just wanted to share what they agreed on.
One of them popped up and said "give her a chance, she's HAWT and I would totally do her" to which the other men agreed
(keep in mind that these are college educated, middle aged men at work, not young HS drop outs in a bar)
So of course me being me had to say "And does that go for McCain as well because you can't have one without the other?" *cricket cricket* Not a word back............
So there you have it............all one needs to be vice president is HAWTNESS
Vote for McCain/Palin............because she's HAWT!
I just wanted to share what they agreed on.
One of them popped up and said "give her a chance, she's HAWT and I would totally do her" to which the other men agreed
(keep in mind that these are college educated, middle aged men at work, not young HS drop outs in a bar)
So of course me being me had to say "And does that go for McCain as well because you can't have one without the other?" *cricket cricket* Not a word back............
So there you have it............all one needs to be vice president is HAWTNESS
Vote for McCain/Palin............because she's HAWT!
That's exactly what was thought and said about McCain 8 years ago. And just look at all the Washington di . . . errrr, asses he's kissed and all the stepping into the party line he's done to finally get the nod to run.
Vince McMahon is right. The public has a finite memory and after that memory span has run, you can start the same story all over again with different characters plugged into the roles - or the same characters in the same roles, and the public will jump on it like it's new and they don't know the outcome already.
Vince McMahon is right. The public has a finite memory and after that memory span has run, you can start the same story all over again with different characters plugged into the roles - or the same characters in the same roles, and the public will jump on it like it's new and they don't know the outcome already.
I have never implied that Ms. Palin is a bad mother. Or that deployed women are bad mothers. Nor would I. There are female partners at our firm with 4 kids . . . they are superb lawyers, and, to my knowledge, good mothers. My only point, and it is a minor point, is more that she might have more difficulty doing a job as incredibly demanding as President than someone (male or female) with fewer family issues. And being President is one of the hardest jobs there is . . . look at how rapidly Presidents seem to age. If I have a concern, it is more that she might be distracted from being President by the needs of her family . . . and either a man or a woman could suffer from that.
Take John Edwards. I hate the man, but, that aside, running for President while your wife is dying of cancer isn't a good idea. Not because she didn't support him, or that he had to be at her side. Its that you might be President while your wife is dying . . . and Putin is invading wherever . . . and a hurricane is heading for New Orleans. That is an immense ammount of emotional stress for anyone. Your duty to your Country, and your duty to your family are suddenly in conflict, because there is only one of you.
The female partners at the firm took maternity leave. They worked from home during it, but they were out, and they put a lot on their associates. They could. They were senior partners at a law firm, not the leaders of the free world. For that matter, men at the firm take paternity leave . . . and are encouraged to, because new fathers are often a little to busy to be the best lawyers they can be.
Can a woman be President? Sure. Can a woman with children be President? Sure. Can someone in Ms. Palin's position be President? I don't see why not, but its not an illegitmate question to ask, any more than asking Mr. McCain about his skin cancer is an illegitmate question.
Take John Edwards. I hate the man, but, that aside, running for President while your wife is dying of cancer isn't a good idea. Not because she didn't support him, or that he had to be at her side. Its that you might be President while your wife is dying . . . and Putin is invading wherever . . . and a hurricane is heading for New Orleans. That is an immense ammount of emotional stress for anyone. Your duty to your Country, and your duty to your family are suddenly in conflict, because there is only one of you.
The female partners at the firm took maternity leave. They worked from home during it, but they were out, and they put a lot on their associates. They could. They were senior partners at a law firm, not the leaders of the free world. For that matter, men at the firm take paternity leave . . . and are encouraged to, because new fathers are often a little to busy to be the best lawyers they can be.
Can a woman be President? Sure. Can a woman with children be President? Sure. Can someone in Ms. Palin's position be President? I don't see why not, but its not an illegitmate question to ask, any more than asking Mr. McCain about his skin cancer is an illegitmate question.
Since it's not up to us here on Chaz ....it will be interesting how it goes . I only want what's best for the country . At this point it's not good ! At one point in my life I was above " upper class " ..... today I am lower class . What hurts me , I used to donate so much to needy causes and now I can't !! I can't help others or myself . It sucks !! I sure never expected this in my Golden Years !