Salvia Divinorum

[Buckshot]

If my daughter were extremely in depth with drugs, and was caught with this, then yes. If it were against the law, she should spend a little time in jail.

I am sure her care and rehabilitation would be their highest priority. The years after would be a real treat as well, offering her great employment opportunities. The system doesnt fix law breakers it makes them worse. If she cant hold a decent job when she gets out what will her choices be for life? Learn her lesson and suck it up or sell illegal drugs and make real money?

I dont believe for a minute that you would ever allow your child to face the system if you could avoid it.

 

[Renee750il]

I am sure her care and rehabilitation would be their highest priority. The years after would be a real treat as well, offering her great employment opportunities. The system doesnt fix law breakers it makes them worse. If she cant hold a decent job when she gets out what will her choices be for life? Learn her lesson and suck it up or sell illegal drugs and make real money?

I dont believe for a minute that you would ever allow your child to face the system if you could avoid it.

Or there is always the very real career move that many young women facing that situation take . . . prostitution to keep a roof over their heads and a pimp to keep their escalating habit supplied . . .

 

[GlassOnion]

First off I'd like to say I didn't read the whole thread, so this may have been already brought up...but anyhow:

I'm gonna play devils advocate here. Why did you immediately ground her? It's not an illegal substance and she may not have known what it did when she got it. You said yourself that she hadn't used much of it (that the bottle was still almost full) and that she only did it once and that the 'friend' hadn't been around in a while.

Maybe she did it once, didn't like it, and just stopped?

 

[darkchild16]

I agree^^^^ for me a grounding wouldnt mean much (im also not very social). My deterant is when my cousin sat down and told me that if i continue this way i will most likely lose my dream and have a really hard life. After he sat there and cried over the fact that he felt helpless about it and just say me wasing my life away after that night i stopped. Seeing his disappointment did more then any grounding would do.
I would also ask why she felt the need to do this. She may be unhappy and severly stressed and really need help. I know i did and thats why i did it.

 

[puppydog]

My mother grounded me for smoking pot when I was 14. I just found ways to hide it better. I am by no means a drug addict and stay away from stuff like meth, coke (done tons and hate it) and heroin.

I do like my pot, MDMA and LSD on occasion though. I just hide it from my family and enjoy myself every now and again. My sister on the other hand has never touched drugs, not even a ciggarette. I sincerely beleive that if you have the personality type to experiment, nothing will stop you.

 

[Novel_Weims]

My mother grounded me for smoking pot when I was 14. I just found ways to hide it better. I am by no means a drug addict and stay away from stuff like meth, coke (done tons and hate it) and heroin.

I do like my pot, MDMA and LSD on occasion though. I just hide it from my family and enjoy myself every now and again. My sister on the other hand has never touched drugs, not even a ciggarette. I sincerely beleive that if you have the personality type to experiment, nothing will stop you.

There are so many conflicting statements in this post it is ridiculous.

If you stay away from coke, how can you have done tons?

I sincerely believe that if you continue to live this "experimental" lifestyle you will live a large portion of your life in prison or on the street, or not live much at all and die without ever accomplishing anything.

Take a clue from the rest of the world and leave the drugs far behind like your sister who seems to have gotten the common sense in the family.


**Other chazhound users: I apologize if this seems unfairly harsh.**

I have one sibling. She felt very similar to this person. At 12 she started abusing prescription drugs, because it was "harmless". At 14 she attempted to kill herself for the first time and spent 6 months in rehab. At 15 she attempted to kill herself again, by overdose, and has permanently damaged her body because of it. She spent a year in rehab again. A third attempt was made to kill herself as she used ever increasing drugs provided by "friends". She barely survived.
Along this "experimental" journey she picked up multiple STDs and gave birth to a baby at great risk to herself and the child at 17. She also lied, stole, cheated, caused great bodily harm to others, and so on and so on... At every turn I thought I would lose her. I thought the call in the middle of the night would be from my mom saying she had finally suceeded in ending the life that she saw as completely hopeless and useless.
I am a sister that has never "tried" anything. And I just thank God that she's still with me today, although she must work twice as hard for everything. She's straightened up, she got her GED, she's an excellent mother, and a dedicated student in college. But she can never change the past or what she has had to go through. She is intelligent, she is gifted in so many ways, and it breaks my heart to think of how much of life she has mistakenly thrown away never to get back.

 

[DanL]

Chinchow something you may want to be concerned with, is that salvia isn't something people just go out and get on a whim when they haven't been playing around with other drugs as well. I would find it unusual if your daughter hadn't been experimenting with other things, pot, prescription drugs, stuff that is easy to come by. Salvia is a next step kind of thing, not usually the 1st drug a person tries.

 

[puppydog]

There are so many conflicting statements in this post it is ridiculous.

If you stay away from coke, how can you have done tons?

I sincerely believe that if you continue to live this "experimental" lifestyle you will live a large portion of your life in prison or on the street, or not live much at all and die without ever accomplishing anything.

Take a clue from the rest of the world and leave the drugs far behind like your sister who seems to have gotten the common sense in the family.


**Other chazhound users: I apologize if this seems unfairly harsh.**

I have one sibling. She felt very similar to this person. At 12 she started abusing prescription drugs, because it was "harmless". At 14 she attempted to kill herself for the first time and spent 6 months in rehab. At 15 she attempted to kill herself again, by overdose, and has permanently damaged her body because of it. She spent a year in rehab again. A third attempt was made to kill herself as she used ever increasing drugs provided by "friends". She barely survived.
Along this "experimental" journey she picked up multiple STDs and gave birth to a baby at great risk to herself and the child at 17. She also lied, stole, cheated, caused great bodily harm to others, and so on and so on... At every turn I thought I would lose her. I thought the call in the middle of the night would be from my mom saying she had finally suceeded in ending the life that she saw as completely hopeless and useless.
I am a sister that has never "tried" anything. And I just thank God that she's still with me today, although she must work twice as hard for everything. She's straightened up, she got her GED, she's an excellent mother, and a dedicated student in college. But she can never change the past or what she has had to go through. She is intelligent, she is gifted in so many ways, and it breaks my heart to think of how much of life she has mistakenly thrown away never to get back.

I do not begrudge you your opinion. I have done coke, not liked it and now stay away from it.

I have a wonderful life. I have a fantastic succesful carreer, a wonderful partner, a house in a lovely suburb, a nice car, health insurance, I volunteer and I take care of my dogs well. It is possible to have fun without becoming a burn out. All things in moderation.

I am sorry that your sister did not manage what I did.

 

[chinchow]

Actually, Salvia would be a good first drug to try.

It's legal, EXTREMELY easy to access, has a short lasting effect, and as far as I know has no harsh long term effects. It would be the perfect first drug.

I'm not going to mention my daughter in this thread anymore.
What's done is done, and I'm not going to type out our life story here either.

I just wanted to post this as a warning to parents that their kids may be using this, and it's just as bad as some other very hard drugs. It doesn't matter how long it lasts, either. A LOT can go wrong in just ten minutes.
That's all.

 

[bubbatd]

^^ well put and I'm glad you brought this up here . When you find a child is using ANYTHING to me grounding is in order . They're either using other drugs or it's the first of experimenting . One never knows what will " hook " them .

 

[mrsgrubby]

^^ well put and I'm glad you brought this up here . When you find a child is using ANYTHING to me grounding is in order . They're either using other drugs or it's the first of experimenting . One never knows what will " hook " them .

Well said!!

 

[Novel_Weims]

Not to bring this up again, but my husband, who is paid to know about these "new" drugs provided me with this site as a better one than the streedrugs one.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml

POSITIVE
short duration (when smoked)
radical perspective shifting
increase in sensual and aesthetic appreciation
creative dreamlike experience
insight into personal issues

NEUTRAL
powerful open and closed eye visuals
general change in consciousness (as with most psychoactives)
altered perceptions
change in body temperature, flushing
sensation of physical push, pressure, or wind
sensation of entering or perceiving other dimensions, alternate realities
feeling of 'presence' or entity contact
dissociation at high doses, walking or standing

NEGATIVE
overly-intense experiences
fear, terror and panic
increased perspiration
possible difficulty integrating experiences
higher doses can cause inability to control muscles and maintain balance: falls are reported.

Salvia divinorum Duration
Smoked
Total Duration 20 - 45 mins
Onset 20 - 60 secs
Coming Up 1 - 2 mins
Plateau 5 - 10 mins
Coming Down 15 - 30 mins

After Effects 15 - 20 mins
Hangover / Day After - - -


AND: although it is not illegal federally it is illegal in about ten states. See this page for details. http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia_law.shtml#state

 

[Dreeza]

what the heck, i have NEVER heard of this stuff...and im a college student.

Now ill know to steer clear if anyone ever offers it to me! Thanks for posting! And you totally did the right thing

 

[Renee750il]

Thanks, Novel . . . that looks like information that's a lot more pragmatic. The streetdrugs site just uses the DEA info - and, well, you know . . . . like I said on my post, they're from the government, and they're here to help us

 

[Dreeza]

I do not begrudge you your opinion. I have done coke, not liked it and now stay away from it.

I have a wonderful life. I have a fantastic succesful carreer, a wonderful partner, a house in a lovely suburb, a nice car, health insurance, I volunteer and I take care of my dogs well. It is possible to have fun without becoming a burn out. All things in moderation.

I am sorry that your sister did not manage what I did.

if you have all that great stuff, why would you risk it all to do drugs???

 

[Novel_Weims]

Thanks Renee.
I found it nice that they actually told you where it was illegal, and the numerous pictures was something.

 

[bubbatd]

I was given the dental gas about 20 years ago .... the kids said it was like a buzz......if that's like a buzz ,I sure don't want to try anything ! Hate the feeling of lack of control !

 

[mjb]

Since the original poster was informing us of things that our teens could be experimenting with that we don't even know has harmful effects, I'll add another.....Angel's Trumpet.

For all I know, this could be the same thing as salvia. I just heard about its use as a drug a couple of weeks ago. My daughter, who has just finished college and has gotten her first job as a nurse in a children's hospital, had a teen patient who was hallucinating after using Angel's Trumpet. It is a flower that is grown around here. I don't know what form or how it was ingested. I'm sure she does, but I didn't ask for details, and she didn't share, since it's all confidential. She mentioned it to me because when she read the chart, she first thought he had ingested a Christmas ornament.....she had never heard of it before.

He had a severe reaction, or, at least a long-lasting one. He was still hallucinating after her 12 hour shift. His friends did not need hospitalization.

 

[puppydog]

if you have all that great stuff, why would you risk it all to do drugs???

Why do people risk all thier great stuff by drinking a glass or two of wine at night, everynight? I have a handle on my use. I probably use once or twice in a 4 month period. Not all people can use like I do, I do not suggest trying, just in case you are one of the people who cannot handle themselves.

To me some drugs (not all) are no different than alcohol, most infact make you allot nicer than booze does.

 

[Alexa's~Mom]

So, does the fact that so many people have this, make it okay for young people, especially teens, to use just to get a trip?

Should we legalize everything then?

You might as well. You ban one thing, they'll find something else.

Or should we criminalize everything that has potential to be misused?

You can't. Because everything has the potential to be misused.

The thing is - YOU found it. YOU passed out the consequences. YOU were being a parent. That is where it should happen. Every time people start begging the government to take care of them and go get the boogey man we end up with a situation that is far worse . . .

Go back and look at how well Prohibition worked . . .

Just keep being a good, mindful parent like you have been. Just think, if your daughter got to spend some time in jail she'd probably come out with some really kickin' recipes for homemade meth . . .

Exactly! You as the parent should be dishing out the consequences. People who run to the government to make their decisions are just showing that they're too incompetent to do it themselves. Not calling you incompetent chow, because you handled this very well.

My mother grounded me for smoking pot when I was 14. I just found ways to hide it better. I am by no means a drug addict and stay away from stuff like meth, coke (done tons and hate it) and heroin.

I do like my pot, MDMA and LSD on occasion though. I just hide it from my family and enjoy myself every now and again. My sister on the other hand has never touched drugs, not even a ciggarette. I sincerely beleive that if you have the personality type to experiment, nothing will stop you.

Take something away, it only makes them want it more.

There are so many conflicting statements in this post it is ridiculous.

If you stay away from coke, how can you have done tons?

I sincerely believe that if you continue to live this "experimental" lifestyle you will live a large portion of your life in prison or on the street, or not live much at all and die without ever accomplishing anything.

Take a clue from the rest of the world and leave the drugs far behind like your sister who seems to have gotten the common sense in the family.


**Other chazhound users: I apologize if this seems unfairly harsh.**

I have one sibling. She felt very similar to this person. At 12 she started abusing prescription drugs, because it was "harmless". At 14 she attempted to kill herself for the first time and spent 6 months in rehab. At 15 she attempted to kill herself again, by overdose, and has permanently damaged her body because of it. She spent a year in rehab again. A third attempt was made to kill herself as she used ever increasing drugs provided by "friends". She barely survived.
Along this "experimental" journey she picked up multiple STDs and gave birth to a baby at great risk to herself and the child at 17. She also lied, stole, cheated, caused great bodily harm to others, and so on and so on... At every turn I thought I would lose her. I thought the call in the middle of the night would be from my mom saying she had finally suceeded in ending the life that she saw as completely hopeless and useless.
I am a sister that has never "tried" anything. And I just thank God that she's still with me today, although she must work twice as hard for everything. She's straightened up, she got her GED, she's an excellent mother, and a dedicated student in college. But she can never change the past or what she has had to go through. She is intelligent, she is gifted in so many ways, and it breaks my heart to think of how much of life she has mistakenly thrown away never to get back.

And yknow what? Yous sister could have said no. Don't blame the drugs. Its not their fault. She could have said no. She could have not overdosed. It looks like you're not seeing that she had emotional problems, and you're just blaming the drugs.

if you have all that great stuff, why would you risk it all to do drugs???

Because doing drugs is not a risk! Oy,when will people get that! Is taking tylenol a risk? No. I hate hearing all these horror stories of you "take one puff and you're hooked". Because it's not like that, not one bit. YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER YOUR ACTIONS. Everyone does. YOU have the CHOICE whether or not to get hooked,and to let drugs ruin your life. Everyone makes this huge deal about pot, and x, and lsd and crap, but are you forgetting about alcohol? It's just as much of a drug as everything else is, sometimes a far worse one. If you ban one, ban it all.