Obama or McCain?

[Falconara]

Jefferson was Jefferson - his views are no longer espoused by either party.

I still dont think the situations are that different - the cultures are...but the situations are not...you have two tyrannical governments both terrorizing their people - and in both cases Americans stepped in - my grandmother was by no means Democratic before the Facist Gov't - her family was Italian Nobility (the country had been a pure monarchy) and they lost quite a bit of flout when Democracy was established. But I suppose we'll just have to each see things differently.

Perhaps the question isnt just would you rather remain with the Tyrant...but also what tribe would you like to belong too.

And the beaty of Democracy - if they want to Vote to change it to another kind of government they like better they can The right candidate espousing his view of government just has to pop up and they can vote for him

~Cate

 

[Renee750il]

And the beaty of Democracy - if they want to Vote to change it to another kind of government they like better they can The right candidate espousing his view of government just has to pop up and they can vote for him

That's a wonderful theory and I wish it were true in reality.

The reality is we (the U.S.) has a history of supporting regimes and setting up governments in other places to suit our whims. We were, after all, largely responsible for Saddam Hussein's power.

Oh, and Noriega. There's another good one. We make 'em, we break 'em when they get to be too embarrassing.

Oh, we've got a long history . . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_U.S._regime_change_actions

 

[Falconara]

You're right - we have a long history of making mistakes. To say we didnt would be folly.

We've also done some good as well...Germany, France, Italy to name three. Kuwait is another. And we dont always get along beautfully with the above (France comes to mind) and sometimes I would consider that embarrasing (I do love the Italians...I really do...but they're such an odd lot...and so fond of keeping their government in Chaos - which they do with startling efficiency)...but I dont think we've blown any of them up yet

~Cate

 

[~Jessie~]

Well... I can't vote so my opinion doesn't even matter lol.

But I would vote for McCain if I could vote.

Of course! We already know that. Puck already posted about it

 

[Puckstop31]

Honestly, Puck, I see the world very differently than you seem to, but I respect you for sticking to your ideals. Even if I didn't like you, I don't say things for the sake of disagreeing with people. I guess it's not just this thread, there have been others where being "liberal" has been thrown around and equated to fascism.

LIke I said earlier... The ONLY reason I will vote for McCain is because of his defence of the 2nd Amendment. Barack Obama said it all when he said that people like me, "cling to our Bibles and our guns"...

Mr, Obama is the guy who said words DO matter. Those words tell me that he is just another MODERN liberal. He assumes that people like me are just uneducated, Bible thumping morons. He is WRONG. He claims to be a uniter, but he will only divide us further, unles of course, you agree with his "Big City" ideals about like.

I will not spare you, or anyone else, my "open-minded drek." I appreciate open-mindedness to different walks of life and ideas. Am I perfect in that respect? Not at all.

Well, to me "open minded" tells me a person stands on sand. My beliefs are firm and do not float with the current breeze. I am NOT a hateful person, simply because my beliefs are firm and little can change them.

Anyway, I posted to the topic. I would like Obama to be president, and I can't wait for Shrub to be gone. Adios.

Very good. I am voting for McCain because I KNOW that the 2nd Amendment is about WAY, WAY more than "hunting and target shooting", like Obama's website (and voting record) says. He has NO CLUE about people like me and worse, I doubt he would care to.

But, FWIW (gotta find that common ground) I also cannot wait for Bush to be gone. Ya gotta start somewhere.... LOL

 

[Puckstop31]

The term "liberal" has been debased and devalued by political agendas.

Don't forget, Thomas Jefferson was called a Liberal.

Oh yeah... A "Classic" liberal is NOTHING like the modern definition.

 

[Puckstop31]

Of course! We already know that. Puck already posted about it

You are still here? I would have thought you would be too embarrassed to show yourself after you dropped down low enough to insult our daughter. LOL

Anyway, you speak as if I control my wife. If you really think that, you REALLY don't know her. Our relationship is what a marriage SHOULD be. We are two, of one flesh. I don't rule her nor she I. We are simply cut from the same stone.


Jealous? LOL


Oh, gotta add this...

 

[Falconara]

boo Sparks - I'm jealous! You have a man there that can spout some fantastic prose!

(no I have to root around and find me one of them...but I wont be on the computer much afterward...no sirree )

Puck - I remember you and Sparks from the PT Dog House - I'm glad I get to read your posts here as well!

~Cate

 

[sparks19]

Of course! We already know that. Puck already posted about it

awwwww somebody is a grumpy gus

THIS is the input you have in this thread? LOL get a life.

 

[sparks19]

boo Sparks - I'm jealous! You have a man there that can spout some fantastic prose!

(no I have to root around and find me one of them )

Puck - I remember you from the PT Dog House - I'm glad I get to read your posts here as well!

~Cate

You are from PT? is your user name the same there? I recognize "Cate" but I don't recognize your user name.

COOL

 

[Falconara]

lol - I sent you a PM...while going offtopic might not be a bad thing perse...I try not to do it tooooo much

~Cate

 

[~Jessie~]

We've all heard the creepy "one flesh" shpeal. I wasn't however, aware of the fact that a marriage "SHOULD" be one person blindly nipping at the heels of your one-lined right-wing madness.

You speak of things as the way things "should" be. Your OPINIONS are always absolute certainties. Marriages SHOULD be this way, the government SHOULD be this way, your religion SHOULD be this way, Obama is a fascist because you said so. Your outlook on life is beyond skewed, and you're dragging your obedient wife along for the ride (after all, the bible says so right?).

Now, why would I be jealous of a relationship like that?

 

[~Jessie~]

Now.... quick... both of you team up on me like you do in every other thread

 

[Renee750il]

lol - I sent you a PM...while going offtopic might not be a bad thing perse...I try not to do it tooooo much

~Cate

Oh, didn't you see the Threadjacking Olympics thread?

Here, threadjacking is an art and artists are held in high regard

 

[sparks19]

We've all heard the creepy "one flesh" shpeal. I wasn't however, aware of the fact that a marriage "SHOULD" be one person blindly nipping at the heels of your one-lined right-wing madness.

You speak of things as the way things "should" be. Your OPINIONS are always absolute certainties. Marriages SHOULD be this way, the government SHOULD be this way, your religion SHOULD be this way, Obama is a fascist because you said so. Your outlook on life is beyond skewed, and you're dragging your obedient wife along for the ride (after all, the bible says so right?).

Now, why would I be jealous of a relationship like that?

LOL you are always such a ray of sunshine in an otherwise dreary day.

Very entertaining you are

Judge me all you want... those who have met me can attest to my beliefs and my marriage.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Obedient.... LMFAO Oh man... that's rich. I can be accused of being many things.... most of them are true... but obedient? lol my family would get a good kick out of that.

*wipes tear*

Obedient lol

Back on topic.... I lean more towards McCain because while he is a little more lax on the immigration topic than I might really like... after going through (and STILL going through) the immigration process... something's gotta give man. It is such an endless cycle of hoops to jump through and checks to write. It's insanity. I don't want to just open up the borders to any Joe could just walk in but there has to be a better way. I just want to be with my husband and my daughter without having to fear that something is going to happen and I will have to be sent back to Canada because I didn't dot an I or cross a T. It's been almost FOUR years since we started this process. FOUR. Thousands of dollars later and quite a few gray hairs later... I'm frankly sick of it. I dont' have a criminal record, I don't want to sponge off the government, I am not a terrorist. I just want to be with my family.... I just want to live, love and laugh and not have that dark cloud hanging above my head all the time that at any moment it could all be taken away.

 

[sparks19]

Oh, didn't you see the Threadjacking Olympics thread?

Here, threadjacking is an art and artists are held in high regard

Well.... there are definitely the amateurs and the Professionals lol. While I can't sneeze at my previous threadjackings... I am not anywhere near the levels of the PUNishers and some others....*coughReneecough*

 

[Falconara]

Oh, didn't you see the Threadjacking Olympics thread?

Here, threadjacking is an art and artists are held in high regard

I think my post is the last one in there....the one about how Leo's gas makes me think of this :

Buuut, silly me....back on topic.

Jessie - wow...I mean...wow....arent you the Pejorative one!

I'm a romantic - and I want my marriage to be that way. If you see it differently...that's your perogative...but dont blow the hopes of us romantic young dreamers...it's not nice.

(maybe that wasnt so very on topic...oh well...I tried...lemme try again)

McCain?

~Cate

 

[Renee750il]

Yah . . . McCain's married . . .

Oh, and for Leo's gas? You can give him Phazyme caps. They're simethicone and they work wonders.

 

[sparks19]

Yah . . . McCain's married . . .

.

Oh man.... that stinks

He could have been my "on the side sugar daddy with one foot near the grave"

I do worry about his age and his health at this age. I am interested to find out who his running mate will be

 

[Falconara]

Booo - not him! Too old for lil old me - maybe someone like Gerard Butler's Character from PS I Love You....only...you know...not dead. (the accent is a must!)

Good to know! I usually feed him Charcoal biscuits but I ran out and Petco is hours away

And it is so very bad...not as bad as Jay used to be - he'd burn the hair out of my nows...but wow.

~Cate