I thought we had progressed farther than this, at least.

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Your laughing despite the fact that my cousins dog DID die from eating raw meat? Nice.
ack I really have to say.. you don't know that. Many dogs die of salmonella who don't eat raw. Yes typically raw gets blamed if its part of the question (and it may indeed be the case) but 2 things. One unless the food was tested you don't know if its the raw. And 2 dogs are normally pretty immune to salmonella, so if your cousin's dog had an issue that made it susceptible its quite possible the dog would have gotten sick regardless, as its found all over the place. Ie dogs who fetch balls that hit the ground can pick it up.
 

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I was the one that said I was ashamed to be the same species as some of the people in the link that I posted, as I am also the OP.
And I am.

Some of the ignorance is absurd. To call me an animal abuser because I feed raw meat to my carnivores? Say my pets deserve better homes? Tell me corn is healthy and fine because dogs are 'manufactured by humans' to adjust to it? Denying evidence that major pet food companies lie, use rendered euthanized animals in their dog and cat foods, and say they are still nutritionally balanced?
Yes, that does make me ashamed. I feel sorry for those people. Not because of what they feed their pets, but because they are so closed-minded that the idea that a MAJOR corporation, one many of them scream about elsewhere when it comes to their own health, lies to them about the health tips for their animals. They cannot fathom how that could possibly be true. Why wouldn't they lie for the benefit of more money? They are conglomerates. It is what they are there to do.
LOL yes exactly.. I don't think Mutt actually read the comments. It wasn't an anti kibble rant, but an anti-anti raw rant.
 
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I'm not anti raw. I'm anti a**holes that think raw is the only way and make people feel horrible for not having their dogs on raw.
You are SERIOUSLY looking for something to be angry about it seems. No one on here is saying any of the things you are freaking out about. Most of this forum either feeds kibble or has fed kibble in the past.

And no one is going to blast you for doing what you believe is best for you and your dog so please, stop looking for them to and stop putting all these words in everyone mouths.

Some feed raw, some feed kibble, some feed both and some feed neither. And we all manage to live in harmony without flipping out about it for the most part so please, stop thinking you are being attacked.
 

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You are SERIOUSLY looking for something to be angry about it seems. No one on here is saying any of the things you are freaking out about. Most of this forum either feeds kibble or has fed kibble in the past.

And no one is going to blast you for doing what you believe is best for you and your dog so please, stop looking for them to and stop putting all these words in everyone mouths.

Some feed raw, some feed kibble, some feed both and some feed neither. And we all manage to live in harmony without flipping out about it for the most part so please, stop thinking you are being attacked.
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Maybe that person in that thread was a moron... but to say "I'm ashamed to be the same species" is definitely an extreme statement. Maybe if that person had killed or maimed a dog....
I don't know what else I have to offer this thread. If my opinions oppose the majority then they will be disregarded simply because A. I don't agree with the majority and B. I'm fairly new on this forum.
My father in law has a shih tzu that is 16 years old and has always eaten pedigree... shes alive and healthy as a 5 year old! Why? Who knows!
The same reasons you believe that dogs stomachs can digest crazy things like botulism and salmonella without ill effect (most of the time) is the same reason they are able to thrive on kibble.
 

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I'm stupid now because I feed kibble?? I don't understand.
I think you are missing the point.

No one is saying kibble is bad... And no one is saying kibble owners are 'bad' or 'stupid'. I would guess that 70% of the forum feeds kibble, actually. What people are griping about is when people put no thought, effort or time into deciding what to feed their dog. NOT that they choose to feed kibble. If you read the original link posted, there was a ton of information that was just plain wrong about kibble AND raw... Not just kibble.

It's unfortunate that you had a bad experience with a few raw feeders being pushy. In my experience, the people on this forum do not shove it down anyone's throat and are certainly not anti-kibble. Don't let a few bad eggs ruin your opinion of raw-feeders... As someone who has done both diets, I assure you there are PLENTY of nice, non-pushy, civil raw folk out there ;)

In regards to this not being an important enough issue... Well, this is a dog forum. This is our area of interest, so we enjoy sharing information about what is healthiest for our dogs. I don't think there is anything wrong with gathering more knowledge. If I were to have kids, I would want to research what kind of baby foods are healthiest vs. which ones aren't. Sure, me feeding my kid a healthy diet won't solve world hunger or genocide or racism. But it's my kid (and in this case, my dog), and I want to provide the best life possible for him/her. I think that's what you sign up for when you have kids or get a pet. Do the best you can do for the life you have taken responsibility for. While I will do what I can to help solve world hunger... It's not going to take away from my kid or dog, either.

And it is sad about your cousin's dog... But I don't think anyone here is laughing at your cousin's expense :confused:
 
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The necropsy showed that salmonella was the cause of death. Of course you wouldn't want to believe that because then raw would be questionable in your mind.
 

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Perhaps this is just the case of massive miscommunication. I don't think Mutts has any harsh intentions in their comments. I'm not offended by them, anyway. Perhaps I wasn't quite clear, since we all know each other, and I often just honestly do forget there are members here that aren't exactly 'in' on how we all talk about food, or even that no we do not all in fact feed raw.

I don't even exclusively feed raw.

So anyway, water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned. All I've said still stands.

As far as dogs dying on raw, I agree with Dekka. I need evidence. The same evidence that is brought forth when dogs die on recalled kibble and it is given the proper linkage. Or recalled treats, or treats that are tainted and not recalled at all yet, as we are seeing happening currently in the market, sad as that is. It is sad that some dogs have died, yes. But just as with those that feed even cheaper kibbles, it most likely comes down to handling, and with raw, even what you are feeding and how much. Don't feed if you don't research your heart out. Don't even attempt it if you're unsure. Most people I know who have reported 'problems' on raw didn't talk to any experienced raw feeders beforehand. They read one website and ran out immediately and started feeding ground beef. That's not how those websites even tell you to go about it, either, but people assume too much. Meat is meat isn't how it works. There's so much more to it.

Feed what works for you. But never, ever tell me I or anyone else that our pets deserve to be rehomed, or are dying (despite the incredible improvements we see) because we feed raw. Especially after some of those feeders have been doing it for longer than some of us have been alive, and longer than most kibble has been around.
 
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Tucker-- alright then. I have yet to meet a civil pro raw. Maybe if there were more out there, more people would be interested in the transition.
 

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Maybe that person in that thread was a moron... but to say "I'm ashamed to be the same species" is definitely an extreme statement. Maybe if that person had killed or maimed a dog....
I don't know what else I have to offer this thread. If my opinions oppose the majority then they will be disregarded simply because A. I don't agree with the majority and B. I'm fairly new on this forum.
My father in law has a shih tzu that is 16 years old and has always eaten pedigree... shes alive and healthy as a 5 year old! Why? Who knows!
The same reasons you believe that dogs stomachs can digest crazy things like botulism and salmonella without ill effect (most of the time) is the same reason they are able to thrive on kibble.
That's like saying "My grandmother lived to be 95 even though she smoked 2 packs of cigarettes a day!"

Could she have lived to be 105 if she didn't smoke? Could she have been healthier without that 2 pack a day habit? Probably. It's definitely not good for you.

Pedigree has terrible ingredients for a dog food. McDonalds is terrible for you, but you could certainly survive on it. Thrive, though? Not so much.

And I'm ashamed to be a member of the same species as a LOT of people. Raven is definitely entitled to that opinion- you don't need to pick it apart or tell her she needs to feel badly about it :confused:

One of my biggest pet peeves are the people who tell me that "dogs need corn and carbs!" Uh, no, they don't. Try doing some research rather than just parroting what Science Diet and the big brands tell you to believe.
 

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The necropsy showed that salmonella was the cause of death. Of course you wouldn't want to believe that because then raw would be questionable in your mind.
No, it wouldn't be questionable. Some meats are tainted. Which is why we are careful when we handle them. As an example, most of us never feed without freezing first. And we never feed 'old leftover' meat we're unsure about.

For me, the small risks do not outweigh the amazing benefits.
 

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I would also like to point out, you quoted me here and seemingly agreed with me then used this to form an argument against the statement later, and against the general attitude you thought we all had.

Again, there seems to be some sort of serious miscommunication.
 
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No. No one should have said you should put your dog/cat down for feeding raw. That's such a strange thing to say....
Maybe I read the wrong thread. I just kept hearing crap about blowjobs and steak lmao.
I think perhaps a miscommunication going on here.
 

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Tucker-- alright then. I have yet to meet a civil pro raw. Maybe if there were more out there, more people would be interested in the transition.
The forum members in this thread have been NOTHING but civil to you. Some are raw feeders, some feed kibble. Others feed a combo. For me? I feed a quality kibble. It's just what I choose to do. Not because it's better or raw is worse or any other way of twisting my statement. I just don't feed raw.

mutts, the only name calling and nastyness in this thread has come from you. I get that you are angry and it's unfortunate about your experiences. However, you are coming off like a troll in this thread. EVERY statement somebody makes is turned down a completely irrelevant path. You also keep noting that you are "done with the thread" but keep coming back to poke at it. Reading this thread, I have to conclude that you are either trolling for drama or 8 years old. If I am incorrect about this, I do apologize for hurting your feelings.
 
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That's like saying "My grandmother lived to be 95 even though she smoked 2 packs of cigarettes a day!"

Could she have lived to be 105 if she didn't smoke? Could she have been healthier without that 2 pack a day habit? Probably. It's definitely not good for you.

Pedigree has terrible ingredients for a dog food. McDonalds is terrible for you, but you could certainly survive on it. Thrive, though? Not so much.

And I'm ashamed to be a member of the same species as a LOT of people. Raven is definitely entitled to that opinion- you don't need to pick it apart or tell her she needs to feel badly about it :confused:

One of my biggest pet peeves are the people who tell me that "dogs need corn and carbs!" Uh, no, they don't. Try doing some research rather than just parroting what Science Diet and the big brands tell you to believe.
It's pretty common for dogs to live long lives on crap food. My uncle had a shar pei mix that lived to 17 on dog chow. My aunts Pomeranian lived to 16-17 on dog chow. I'm not saying this food is good I'm just saying its pretty common.
I've NEVER advocated anyone from science diet. I stated specifically what foods I have my dog on and they are nothing but the best dry.
 

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Sorry everyone, this of course wasn't my intention.

I was just honestly blown away by the misinformation being spread in the thread I'd posted. And the way some raw feeders, who were giving sound advice, civilly when people were asking, were being yelled at by people. It was just...weird.

I don't really surround myself with a lot of people though, and Chaz and my exotic pet forums are the only places I tend to talk animals, other than with friends who love them or are interested in what I have or had or do or did. So I'd cut myself off from most of the moderate pet world, I think. It stunned me probably more than it should have.
I'm probably just being silly. :p
 

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I'm pro-raw, I guess. Our dogs get 2-3 raw meals/week. My boyfriend's dog has terrible, terrible teeth (when he was two, I was playing tug with him and pulled one out--wildly upsetting), and feeding raw has fixed the buildup problem, his breath is no longer toxic, and his teeth are sparkling white now.

Mostly, though, we feed kibble, for a variety of reasons (mostly cost/time/space related).

Anyway, I'm civil, and I don't care if you feed your dog raw or not. I have no interest in transitioning you. I literally don't care what you feed your dog.

On the other hand, I think most people in this thread have been pretty civil, so perhaps I have inadvertently been quite rude.

I am sorry to hear about your cousin's dog.
 

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The necropsy showed that salmonella was the cause of death. Of course you wouldn't want to believe that because then raw would be questionable in your mind.
I think you are, again, not thoroughly reading. I never said it wasn't salmonella.. I fully trusted that comment from you.

I said you don't know how the dog got salmonella. It might have been the raw, it might not. And the point is even if it was the raw, dogs are normally fine with salmonella so the dog might have died from salmonella in kibble or in the environment.
 
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Eddie-- lol you are offensive and then apologize for being offensive. Right.
I don't think I'm being understood. The people on this forum have been fairly restrained but I have been on other forums where I was told I was a horrible dog owner and that I was feeding my dog poison. This is what I'm referring to when I am saying that most raw fanatics are not civil.
 

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