I thought we had progressed farther than this, at least.

Dekka

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You do realize that salmonella is in dirt and is all around right? There is no real issue to think the dog got it from the raw. Did they have it tested? Many dog foods have tested positive for salmonella too, its not all that uncommon. So sadly your cousin's dog might have died if he had stayed on kibble.
 
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I heard that you feed you dogs kibble. I got it :D
No other dimension... just a litttllleeee bit difficult getting through to you "meat" heads
Muh ha ha ha ha. Ok lame but I'm seriously done now.
 

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I would just point out that premade raw is really different than feeding straight raw. I would not base my opinions on raw on just primal. (I say that feeding almost all premade right now).

What really got me interested in raw was that Beau's handler when he was showing fed him raw. He looked absolutely amazing and to this day has never looked so good. I wish I had him so I could put him back on raw, he looks much older than his years to me.
 

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I heard that you feed you dogs kibble. I got it :D
No other dimension... just a litttllleeee bit difficult getting through to you "meat" heads
Muh ha ha ha ha. Ok lame but I'm seriously done now.
You are seriously cracking me up!

Okay, I concede. Dogs were totally developed to eat kibble. It is their natural diet. None of that lame "raw meat" stuff for them. I mean, raw meat?! Like, EWWW! They're completely designed for digesting cooked hard pellets.

Dogs (and cats) who eat that crazy raw meat diet get sick and die. It's not meant to be a diet for them to live on.

Who knew, right? Dogs DID discover fire and have always cooked their food (and have always been VERY careful to add all necessary vitamins and minerals!). That's why they've been around for 30,000 years!
 
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I'm not anti raw. I'm anti a**holes that think raw is the only way and make people feel horrible for not having their dogs on raw.
 
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I'm not saying you in particular but there was one girl on here that said something like-- I'm ashamed to be the same species as these people. I'm assuming in reference to the OPs thread.
You don't have to be rude. Honestly can you think of no other way to communicate other then feeding off of your forum buddies for laughs. Sheep.
 

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Why is it so hard to believe that not all owners are too stupid to know their own dogs? Or, in my case, cats? Or ferrets?

If my dog/cat/ferret is a scarfer, for example, that inhales his food, I will be very careful with bones, their size, and watching him eat. If my pet has an allergy, I will learn about it and adjust accordingly. If my pet is not doing well on raw for a medical reason, I will not feed it and move to a kibble that can be handled that isn't low-grade. For the majority, this is simple.

I studied for over a year before even allowing my first raw feeder to touch raw meat. I read not only the anecdotal evidence, but the various studies not related to raw, and the studies done in general on dogs and how they process nutrients, and on cats and how they process water or will even refuse a water source out of instinct due to high moisture in their natural (raw) diet.

To say "well you don't let them hunt do you?" and use that as an excuse is just absurd. That would be a health hazard. Mostly because Rockefeller would starve before he bothered to exert the energy to kill anything larger than a cockroach or, maybe, a butterfly.

Some of the excuses you're using are the same ones I saw in the link I posted, and they were just as absurd there as here. There is good evidence out there, but people are far too quick to fall at the feet of their vets. Americans in particular, I've noticed. I've made it a point to ask around, who do you as an owner trust more with your nutrition for your pet: a nutritionist, or your vet? Most do not answer vet. There's a reason for that.
 

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I'm not saying you in particular but there was one girl on here that said something like-- I'm ashamed to be the same species as these people. I'm assuming in reference to the OPs thread.
You don't have to be rude. Honestly can you think of no other way to communicate other then feeding off of your forum buddies for laughs. Sheep.
Calm down. There is no name calling allowed. Period.

Look around the forum, go to the food section here and just read. Chazzers normally agree as long as you are doing the best you can for your dog, then it's all good. If that hasn't been your experience at other places around the net I'm sorry for you, that's not the way it works here. We are open minded and supporting.
 
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Acooper-- sounds swell.
Yes there are many people out there that bash a person regardless of the fact that they are doing their personal best.
 

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I'm not anti raw. I'm anti a**holes that think raw is the only way and make people feel horrible for not having their dogs on raw.
Did you read the thread in question?

The posts that the person was 'ashamed..' was all the ANTI raw people who went around saying dogs NEED corn and raw will kill your dog. I am quite sure she never meant that people who feed kibble make her ashamed.. just the people who think that dogs NEED a food like Beneful (corn filled) and that raw will automatically kill your dog (or make it mean) was the issue.
 

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I was the one that said I was ashamed to be the same species as some of the people in the link that I posted, as I am also the OP.
And I am.

Some of the ignorance is absurd. To call me an animal abuser because I feed raw meat to my carnivores? Say my pets deserve better homes? Tell me corn is healthy and fine because dogs are 'manufactured by humans' to adjust to it? Denying evidence that major pet food companies lie, use rendered euthanized animals in their dog and cat foods, and say they are still nutritionally balanced?
Yes, that does make me ashamed. I feel sorry for those people. Not because of what they feed their pets (and I make it a point to mention to people that most commercial foods are not killing their animals, they simply are not nutritionally balanced as they think they are, and would see better results on a higher grade food, or raw, whichever they prefer), but because they are so closed-minded that the idea that a MAJOR corporation, one many of them scream about elsewhere when it comes to their own health, lies to them about the health tips for their animals. They cannot fathom how that could possibly be true. Why wouldn't they lie for the benefit of more money? They are conglomerates. It is what they are there to do.
 

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