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I can't understand why someone would pay a breeder a huge amount of money for a dog when there are thousands of wonderful puppies and dogs who need to be adopted. I know they aren't "purebred" but unless your hobby is showing dogs, who cares?

To breed dogs- intentionally creating more animals-- when there are millions who already need homes just doesn't make sense to me. Again I'm really sorry if this offends anyone- I just think I'm missing something here. What is it? I'm asking honestly, not to be judgemental or anything. Are purebred dogs healthier or easier to train? I'm honestly curious. Thanks for any replies
 

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Holy moly.. strap your seat belt. :eek:

I have always stated that I would ever buy a purebred dog- and for the most part, I stick to that.

However, when hubby fell in love with the Fila.. there was no way we would ever get one without it being from a reputable breeder.

Buddy came from a shelter, Banzai came from a rescue. All dogs we own will be coming from a shelter/rescue, etc., except for any new fila additions. :p
 
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People want purebred dogs because they are predictable as to size, temperament, coat, and breed traits such as herding, birdiness, guarding behavior, etc. Many people want a puppy from parents whose health backgrounds can be researched. For those of us who show and breed purebred dogs, it is a hobby, and usually a lifelong avocation.

Dogs have a very short generation. If people were to stop breeding purebred dogs, in 6 years there would BE no more purebred dogs.

Responsible breeders are not the ones who are pupulating the shelters.

I think it is MARVELOUS all the people who are willing to give rescue or shelter dogs a good lifelong home. That does not mean that those of us who breed and love purebred dogs should not be pursuing our hobby in a responsible manner.
 

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i see the purpose of it, because people are dedicated to a breed and want to better the breed and whatever. and a lot of breeds have health problems, so if you go to a breed rescue, you can't have a guarantee on the dog's health. personally, i love the feeling of giving a dog a second chance. If i ever got a purebreed dog, it would most likely be from a rescue, unless i fell in love with a breed that was hard to find in rescues.
 

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I think we all know that purebreds aren't always the healthiest. However, adopting a dog with an unknown background to me is something I didn't want to do this time around so I opted to go to a "reputable breeder" and pay $800 for a well bred dog who's parents were health checked before being bred. I've owned several mutts but only one came from a shelter the others were throw aways from accidental breedings that I rescued from the street. My mutts were for the most part the healthiest ;)
 

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This shouldn't offend anyone (?) at all Scooter! Good post. It depends on the reason you're getting a dog. As a pet, a dog to show, a performance dog (agility, obedience, tracking, herding) a therapy dog, ect. Not all dogs or all breeds, purebred or mixed, are appropriate or suitable for all activities. Just depends on your reason for getting a dog.
 

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And, Scooter, to prove I was once in your shoes.. confused as all get out, here is the thread I started back when I was just as curious as you are. :)
 

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Thanks for the thread. I guess I can understand wanting a certain breed if the size or temperament are very important to you. Probably if you have small kids, a shelter dog could be a risk. Hadn't thought of that.
 

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I'm so slow to post... Lol. p.s. something to think about. The initial cost of a dog should never be the biggest consideration in getting a dog. It costs just as much to raise a $2000.00 Doberman as it does a free lab/shep/rott/ beagle mix. But buying or adopting either of these dogs if they're unhealthy and it can potentially cost thousands of dollars over the lifetime of the dog. After that, it really just depends on why you're getting a dog in the first place.
 

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I just think I'm missing something here.
Yes, you are.

Purebred dogs were developed, each, with a particular job in mind. They were selectively bred to do that job better than any other breed. Those traits which enable the breed to be what he is are homgenous. The traits, the looks, the conformation, the temperament comes out basically the same with every dog born within a certain breed. There is some predictability in what you're getting when you choose a particular pure bred dog.

I have very exacting and particular requirements in some of the dogs I have. That is why I have chosen purebred dogs recently. I have owned a few shelter dogs in the past and presently have one which lives with me...my son's dog who was collected out of a garbage bag, left on the side of a road.

If there were no purebred dogs bred (by responsible breeders) because there was no demand for them, they would cease to exist. We would not have Labradors for retrieving ducks, or Doberman Pinschers that excell as protection dogs. We wouldn't have Newfoundlands who save drowning people, Bloodhounds with their superior sense of smell and superb tracking ability. We wouldn't have the huge diversity of personality traits, builds, strengths. All dogs would be mutts...they'd become similar because the gene pool would decrease. We'd end up with one kind of dog.....down the road.

So, I, for one love purebred dogs. Sure, it's sad that there are dogs without homes. But that is not the fault of reputable breeders of purebred dogs or their buyers. I think it's an admirable thing to do, to adopt a shelter dog or a purebred rescue dog and I may well do that again one day.

Edit: Oh man. There weren't any replies when I started typing this. LOL. I just said basically the same thing. Oh well.
 

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I have two purebred pets, one dog, one cat.
I intended the dog to be a competitive show dog. However, he decided to come across a delicious cat toy and swallow it whole, getting his digestive system in a bundle for a whole month during his major growth period. He's now a little bit of a runt (20.5" and 66lbs is very small, even for a moderate Kotzebue Malamute like he is), but more 'importantly' he sucked up one of his testicles in the whole ordeal and I didn't want to get it "tacked" as I thought it would be immoral. He's neutered and a wonderful pet. I'm almost glad he didn't get the chance to make it big in the show ring -- less strain on my pocketbook and more time to devote to schoolwork.
The cat was my dad's choice. She's an Ocicat from one of the most reputable Ocicat breeders in the country. She was never intended to be anything but a pet. I wasn't wholeheartedly behind this decision until I met the cat -- as opposed to our previous kittens, she was used to people from the moment we got her, very personable, and well behaved (for a kitten). Though I love my two rescue kitties, one of them is horridly aloof and the other is just plain aggressive to strangers (she was a feral kitten and she's very bonded to her two people and her two dogs). It's night and day having a purebred cat and a rescue cat. I enjoy both in their own rights.

Am I going to get purebred dogs in the future? Yes. For sport, mostly -- to compete in conformation and obedience and also to pursue a breeding program in the far future. Would I get a purebred dog with ONLY the intention of it being a pet? No, but I never really intend any dog to be *just* a pet. Will I still have rescues? Yes.

... I'm sorry that didn't really answer your question. WELL bred dogs are usually healthier (because of health testing their responsible breeders presumably did before breeding their parents, they're usually free of genetic diseases). WELL bred dogs are usually a little more trainable, simply because they've been conditioned from a puppy by their responsible breeder to be good dogs. They're not robots, especially if you end up with a nordic breed, but they do show a marked difference from dogs who have been just raised by their mom. The "pure" breeding isn't what makes them this way, it's the responsibility of their breeders that does.

I got a Malamute because I wanted a Malamute. I can't go to an animal shelter and pick out a Joe Schmo mutt there and know what sort of general temperment and personality its going to have (we're talking Big Brown Dog syndrome, rather than something that resembles one breed closely). That's what I like about purebred dogs. Am I still going to have a Big Brown Dog somewhere down the line? You bet. Both the purebred dog and the mixed breed dog have their pros and cons.
 

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Responsible breeders are not the ones who are populating the shelters.
This bears repeating. Again, and again, and again. No responsible breeder will allow their dogs to end up in a shelter.

Because of this, people who want to do something in particular with their dog (I for example want to do stock work with my border collies) and adopt a purebred from a shelter or rescue are *not* going to be getting a well bred dog. That's the problem. When you don't want a badly bred dog, the only logical choice is to pay a "huge amount of money" for a dog from a responsible breeder.

I am going to want another agility dog in the future and when I do, it'll probably be a shelter dog. In the meantime, any show dogs, working sheepdogs or livestock guardians WILL be from responsible breeders.

And for the record, every breed desperately needs breeders that are dedicated to preserving and improving the breed. They singlehandedly keep their breeds going. I HATE to see any potential responsible breeder turned away because there are too many dogs in shelters. This is true, there are too many dogs in shelters, but I don't see how that has anything to do with responsible breeders who keep the dogs they produce OUT of shelters.
 

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I cannot naswer this, because i got all three of my dogs from rescue and two of them are purebred, The chocolate lab and my colby pit, my am bull is a mix. While for those that don't want to wait CAN get a purebred from a responsible breeder, If you wait long enough and look hard enough purebreds do come into the shelters too.
 

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I agree with everyone BUT
You can also get a purebred or specific breed through rescue groups if you are willing to do the work and wait. To me that's not a big deal since getting a pup from a responsible breeder often means waiting a long time and you need to do a lot of research as well.

There are lots of breed specific rescue groups to look at if you know what breed you like.

Rosie is a PB aussie complete with a tattoo and she came to me through a rescue group- she was an adult not a puppy, but I have seen whole litters of PB aussie pups in rescue. Sammy is a border collie or border collie cross. I assumed he was a cross since he has one floppy ear and is oversized, but I am told he is a dead ringer for some famous bc sire in Alberta. Do I care? No but it's interesting.

Bottom line for me is---
Wether you decide to get a shelter dog or a purebred, you need to DO THE RESEARCH. You need to know what breeds and traits you like and will fit with your lifestyle and which ones you might want to avoid. If you are going with a purebred froma breeder you need to really looks closely at the breeder. There are far more breeders I'd choose to avoid than ones I would want to buy from.

Right now where I live, I could adopt any number of border collies, border collie crosses, labs, lab crosses and german shepherds and shepherd crosses. I wouldn't be able to show them in conformation, but I would at least know the breed and if they are adults, I'd have an idea what I was really getting.

ITA with Red, it's not reputable breeders that are filling the rescues and responsible for the pet overpopulation, its mostly BYBs.
 

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I agree with everyone BUT
You can also get a purebred or specific breed through rescue groups if you are willing to do the work and wait. To me that's not a big deal since getting a pup from a responsible breeder often means waiting a long time and you need to do a lot of research as well.

There are lots of breed specific rescue groups to look at if you know what breed you like.

Rosie is a PB aussie complete with a tattoo and she came to me through a rescue group- she was an adult not a puppy, but I have seen whole litters of PB aussie pups in rescue. Sammy is a border collie or border collie cross. I assumed he was a cross since he has one floppy ear and is oversized, but I am told he is a dead ringer for some famous bc sire in Alberta. Do I care? No but it's interesting.

Bottom line for me is---
Wether you decide to get a shelter dog or a purebred, you need to DO THE RESEARCH. You need to know what breeds and traits you like and will fit with your lifestyle and which ones you might want to avoid. If you are going with a purebred froma breeder you need to really looks closely at the breeder. There are far more breeders I'd choose to avoid than ones I would want to buy from.

Right now where I live, I could adopt any number of border collies, border collie crosses, labs, lab crosses and german shepherds and shepherd crosses. I wouldn't be able to show them in conformation, but I would at least know the breed and if they are adults, I'd have an idea what I was really getting.

ITA with Red, it's not reputable breeders that are filling the rescues and responsible for the pet overpopulation, its mostly BYBs.
I agrre with this 100% every word.
 

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I agree with the above posts, and would like to add one more reason why we need these repsonsible breeders -

Responsible breeders (and the folks that buy their dogs) form a breed's "fancy". The Fancy is responsible for the breed's welfare, including BYB and rescue dogs of the breed. Without these wonderful people, there would be a lot less help and resources out there for the breed's owners of all types - show, rescue, pet, working, etc.

For example: Our Doberman Fancy has a health foundation, an organization that rescues and takes care of senior dobes, our own temperament and working aptitude evaluation, and even an organization that dobe owners can go to if they cannot afford their dobe's vet bills for "the big stuff" - like Wobblers, Cancer, DCM, broken bones, obstructions... you name it, and that organization will help you.

These wonderful organizations wouldn't exist without our responsible breeders. Each breed is fiercely protected by their Fancy, and the entire breed is furthered by the Fancy's efforts to preserve and cultivate the breed. The Fancy supports rescue, and is often the best place to find a great purebred rescue dog.

I don't think I explained this very well... but maybe you can muck out what I'm trying to say!
 
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I can't understand why someone would pay a breeder a huge amount of money for a dog when there are thousands of wonderful puppies and dogs who need to be adopted. I know they aren't "purebred" but unless your hobby is showing dogs, who cares?

To breed dogs- intentionally creating more animals-- when there are millions who already need homes just doesn't make sense to me. Again I'm really sorry if this offends anyone- I just think I'm missing something here. What is it? I'm asking honestly, not to be judgemental or anything. Are purebred dogs healthier or easier to train? I'm honestly curious. Thanks for any replies

I APPLAUD YOU ON THAT!!! I AGREE. Who cares if the dogs purebred or not, all that matters is that you're helping them out AND that they love you!!
 
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Im a breeder and Im not offended.~I did rescue for over 20 years so I agree.

In general I see NO reason to ever breed PETS when PETS DIE each and ever day.
I myself could never breed dogs sold for pets or these new designer breeds..

I breed purebred Working dogs that are SOLD for WORK.
I come from a security background before I bred and understand the need for protection dogs like someone mentioned the FILA .

And even thou I do this I still support rescue shelters and send all interested buyers to LGD rescue FIRST before I think about selling them a pup.

IN these lgds breeds not all families can take rescues due to size and dominance issues plus personal reason like big families with kids coupled with expertise on how to rehome a 150lb male CAO.

So I still have a need to breed.

So please what you are saying is true. But we still need breeders who breed for work and or show and who are ethical.
Otherwise we will be left with the bottom of the barrel that is the ones dumping dogs in shelters. Which is what they want, the bybreeders/puppmills would love us to stop breeding ethically.

IN regards to health a healthy golden from healthy cleared parents bred to a healthy what ever may produce a Healthy MUtt because of outcrossing and the fact that the parents are what ?? HEALTHY and come from lines of healthy dogs.

So yes some mutts can be heathy but in most cases no way to track inheritable disease.

A purebred breeder does NOT mean the dog is going to be healthier than the mutt I write about above.
NOT UNLESS the breeder is ethical and selecting only healthy proven dogs and removing unhealthy ones from the gene pool.

Health comes down to inheritance....
 
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Holy moly.. strap your seat belt. :eek:

I have always stated that I would ever buy a purebred dog- and for the most part, I stick to that.

However, when hubby fell in love with the Fila.. there was no way we would ever get one without it being from a reputable breeder.

Buddy came from a shelter, Banzai came from a rescue. All dogs we own will be coming from a shelter/rescue, etc., except for any new fila additions. :p
sorry to hijack, but why is that?

is there something specific about Filas that make most of them hard to train, or have agression issues?
 
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