I Am Angry And I Don't Care Who Gets Mad !!!!!!
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Just read 17 pages of this, my eyes are watering ..
I really think this was a completely valid thread. Aussie Red expressed her emotions toward animal abuse, plain and simple. I agree with her - there is NO excuse that should be accepted for an animal being allowed to live in pain. It doesn't matter how much money you have, or how old you are, or if you have human children. It all comes down to your CHOICE to allow your animal to be in pain without making every possible effort to alleviate that in some way.
I don't see it as a sympathy issue. I have no sympathy for people who don't try. I have TONS of sympathy for animals who are injured/ill/old and who have owners who don't love them enough to do what is needed to stop the pain. LOVE is not just the warm, snuggly, "gimme a kiss" stuff .. TRUE LOVE toward a pet is shown when the pet is in NEED. And if a person doesn't make every possible effort when the pet is in need, then I don't believe for an instant that they truly love their animal. If it means making the ultimate choice to euthanise, then you make that choice. The ability to give your animal freedom from pain is the proof of unconditional love.
A forum of dog lovers SHOULD rant when a dog is allowed to suffer! I'm not talking about any particular thread on the forum - I'm talking about basic human kindness. How can anyone sit back and give cyberhugs to someone who is allowing an animal to be in pain? HOW DOES THAT HELP? We should never make it look like it's okay to not do something for your dog. NEVER.
Maybe what we need is a new thread called "How to raise money for vet bills" and then list everything we can think of - turning off your internet, selling your iPod, having a garage sale, putting a lemonade stand on the street corner, offering to walk people's dogs, selling dog items you have (people here on chaz may very well buy them!) .. whatever it takes, you find a way to come up with the money. Get rid of your luxury items - your pet should be the luxury item on the top of your list and nothing below it should matter.
Don't give up on everyone, Aussie Red .. there aren't enough people like you around.
Melanie and the gang in Alaska
I really think this was a completely valid thread. Aussie Red expressed her emotions toward animal abuse, plain and simple. I agree with her - there is NO excuse that should be accepted for an animal being allowed to live in pain. It doesn't matter how much money you have, or how old you are, or if you have human children. It all comes down to your CHOICE to allow your animal to be in pain without making every possible effort to alleviate that in some way.
I don't see it as a sympathy issue. I have no sympathy for people who don't try. I have TONS of sympathy for animals who are injured/ill/old and who have owners who don't love them enough to do what is needed to stop the pain. LOVE is not just the warm, snuggly, "gimme a kiss" stuff .. TRUE LOVE toward a pet is shown when the pet is in NEED. And if a person doesn't make every possible effort when the pet is in need, then I don't believe for an instant that they truly love their animal. If it means making the ultimate choice to euthanise, then you make that choice. The ability to give your animal freedom from pain is the proof of unconditional love.
A forum of dog lovers SHOULD rant when a dog is allowed to suffer! I'm not talking about any particular thread on the forum - I'm talking about basic human kindness. How can anyone sit back and give cyberhugs to someone who is allowing an animal to be in pain? HOW DOES THAT HELP? We should never make it look like it's okay to not do something for your dog. NEVER.
Maybe what we need is a new thread called "How to raise money for vet bills" and then list everything we can think of - turning off your internet, selling your iPod, having a garage sale, putting a lemonade stand on the street corner, offering to walk people's dogs, selling dog items you have (people here on chaz may very well buy them!) .. whatever it takes, you find a way to come up with the money. Get rid of your luxury items - your pet should be the luxury item on the top of your list and nothing below it should matter.
Don't give up on everyone, Aussie Red .. there aren't enough people like you around.
Melanie and the gang in Alaska
Even if a person does get veterinary help with an animal, can they be made to euthanize the animal? Just a question. I dont know the answer. I just remember my vet explaining what was going on with my dog and the pain he was in and that it would be my decision whether to put to sleep or not. Of course, I chose to have him put to sleep, but I got the idea I could have taken the dog in pain and let himn live out his days with me.
I also have a friend whose elderly father in law took a very sick cat to the vet, and the vet said there was nothing he could do for the cat. The man did not think it is right to put to sleep and took the cat back hom with him for him to die in his own home. The man's children thought the cat should be put to sleep rather than suffer. The man thought the cat would choose to be with him in his final days.
I also have a friend whose elderly father in law took a very sick cat to the vet, and the vet said there was nothing he could do for the cat. The man did not think it is right to put to sleep and took the cat back hom with him for him to die in his own home. The man's children thought the cat should be put to sleep rather than suffer. The man thought the cat would choose to be with him in his final days.
Once when i was 16 i had a little lab puppy that i was given for my work at the kennels. I was given first pick of the litter and i had me a dandy. while i was in school my boss had a customer with two sons. The two sons were around 5 and 7. They were allowed in with the 8 week old puppies and that was when they hurt mine. I arrived just as it happened, they had broken his ribs and he was screaming. I raced in the car to the er vet. The er vet wanted 50 dollars before he would look at my pup. I begged, the answer was no..mind you the pup is still screaming. I asked if he would just put it down, not without the 50 upfront. The pup died in my lap out in the car and i had never felt so frustrated and heartbroken in my whole life. I could have paid him by the end of the week..i could have found the money if i had even an hour, but that hour wasn't long enough for the pup...that is a huge part of the problem right there. Now they have a credit card application you can fill out while your in panic mode. I have stated repeatedly that if the situation upsets you, contact your local humane society. Get active about starting a not for profit clinic. Little steps lead to change and we can't change the current economic situation, but we can install the idea into others that there are answers if we are willing to work hard enough. I realize KC is a big city, and a city that is art oriented. Still even a small burg can have a fund raiser and set aside an er fund with a local vet for those that need help based on income. We all know how much our pets improve our lives. We all know that seniors on fixed incomes NEED those pets as well. The point is not that the people are going to get something for nothing, it is that the pets that people are going to have regardless of the common sense that says you can't afford it, are the ones that are going to suffer. IF you do not like the situation then come up with a solution. If our city can do it, i think others can as well. ARt Unleashed was the brainstorm of 10 Hallmark employees, it started out small and has grown by leaps and bounds. People WANT to help, you just have to show them how.
Get over yourself!What? I am so confused here. I never ever said that I do not agree with the intentions you had when you wrote the thread. And if you read what I wrote on this topic you will see that we actually share an opinion. And if you read closer you'll see that I said you sometimes are missing tact- I did not say that you have no tact at all. Two different pairs of shoes.
I know that you weren't talking about one incident, heck, we have more here than I wish we did. I never said you lack compassion, quite the opposite. I said I respect you because you wear your heart on your sleeve. People who aren't compassionate about things don't do that.
I just don't get why you are putting yourself in the role of a sh!tbag, when in reality you are not and nobody thinks that of you. Nobody despises you. Where did you read that and where did you get that from? I have read your posts in the "long thread" about how everyone can think you are a sh!t and what not. Nobody thinks that... so why do you keep saying it? That was my intent of the post that I wrote! And nothing else!
I know that you weren't talking about one incident, heck, we have more here than I wish we did. I never said you lack compassion, quite the opposite. I said I respect you because you wear your heart on your sleeve. People who aren't compassionate about things don't do that.
I just don't get why you are putting yourself in the role of a sh!tbag, when in reality you are not and nobody thinks that of you. Nobody despises you. Where did you read that and where did you get that from? I have read your posts in the "long thread" about how everyone can think you are a sh!t and what not. Nobody thinks that... so why do you keep saying it? That was my intent of the post that I wrote! And nothing else!
this is my point....it isn't the matter that there is a problem, it has become the point of calling each other names, of disagreeing. OF being right, or being hurt, or being self rightous. What happened to the topic at hand? What happened to people having pets they cannot care for no matter if they have the funds and choose to or if they have parents that won't act. Or what it makes you feel like to read a post where someone has a pet they are not caring for, why they will not care for it, if they are seeking attention, or if the situation is real. All this has become is a mud slinging contest that does nothing, proves nothing and changes nothing. IT belittles the original topic, and the problem. If you have a disagreement, take it to pm or better yet just drop it and walk off. So much easier to point fingers, develop attitudes, then to actually sit down and brainstorm isn't it. WHat good does that do?
