Can you explain to me how dogs who live in a home instead of outside don't get opportunities to run and play and stretch their legs and explore? It's not an either/or situation. My dogs live inside but several times a day get walks, time outside to run and play, trips to the park, etc... Just because a dog lives inside doesn't mean it never goes out the door of your house.
how would you like to be put in a crate??? please educate me
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i wouldn't like to be put in a crate. i'd hate it.
but i am a human.
dogs LIKE their crates. It's their bed, their den, a safe place.
It's fine for a dog or puppy to be crated for a few hours during the day. It's like giving a naptime to a baby, putting her in a crib. Are cribs cruel for children? No. they're safe. They're keeping a baby away from danger, as a crate is keeping a puppy away from danger.
but i am a human.
dogs LIKE their crates. It's their bed, their den, a safe place.
It's fine for a dog or puppy to be crated for a few hours during the day. It's like giving a naptime to a baby, putting her in a crib. Are cribs cruel for children? No. they're safe. They're keeping a baby away from danger, as a crate is keeping a puppy away from danger.
They are my little Princes but not everyone has the space. I cannot think of one forum regular that is a less than wonderful dog owner on this site. Sure some of our methods are different but most I'd be happy to leave my dogs with if I died. I'm sure they all crate their dogs with the dog's best interest at heart, not their own.
I personally wouldn't want my boys outside dudring the day without me. Doesn't matter how proofed it is I am way too afraid of dog theft. Bandit would not go willingly with a stranger but Spanky would with his tail wagging.
I personally wouldn't want my boys outside dudring the day without me. Doesn't matter how proofed it is I am way too afraid of dog theft. Bandit would not go willingly with a stranger but Spanky would with his tail wagging.
I don't get it. You think a dog who is crated while the owner is away doesn't get a chance to socialize? Or are you saying that dogs being out in the yard while no supervizing human is present is a good idea because it gives them the opportunity to socialize with strangers? You kind of lost me on that one. Can you clarify?
I crate my dogs, and they are socialized. We take walks together, go to shows together, fun events, etc.
I crate my dogs, and they are socialized. We take walks together, go to shows together, fun events, etc.
I don't know about the rest of you, but my 150 lbs of combined dog want to follow me everywhere. When we're outside together and I go back inside, they just stand at the door with their "hey, what about us?" looks. I almost never have to actually do a formal recall to bring them back in to the house. As soon as I open the door, they are ready and waiting and come stampeding in.
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My dog is crate trained, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
If she is being bothered by the kids, she can go there to get away. If someone is over she doesn't like, she goes in there where it is safe.
It's her very own "bedroom" where her toys and her chewys go when she wants them hidden.
I'd much rather her be in her crate (where it is safe!) than outside sitting on a runner, where someone can throw antifreeze in my yard for her to drink, or children to badger her.
If she is being bothered by the kids, she can go there to get away. If someone is over she doesn't like, she goes in there where it is safe.
It's her very own "bedroom" where her toys and her chewys go when she wants them hidden.
I'd much rather her be in her crate (where it is safe!) than outside sitting on a runner, where someone can throw antifreeze in my yard for her to drink, or children to badger her.
I've had and have dogs bigger than 80LBS and I didn't leave them outside for long periods ever. They got their exercise, their exploring, their training, primarily with me and some time outside by themselves if they wanted to be outside without me. But 95 percent of the time, they'd rather hang out with their human family inside, snuggled up. Dogs are extremely social animals and hard-wired genetically to want to hang out with humans. Being alone outside, seperated from their family is not the majority of dogs' idea of fun. I'm sure there are a few exceptions. I let my dogs come in and out as the wish. I'm the door man. LOL. No...as long as the dog is happy and exercised, being in close proximatey to their humans most of the time is what is natural for domestic dogs now.
My Doberman is close to 90 LBS. If I left him outside for an extended amount of time, he'd be miserable. First, he'd be too cold or too hot, depending on the season. Second, Dobermans are particularly selected to stick like glue to their families. He's fine left in the house loose when I'm gone because he has the other dogs....some other living thing near by. But I couldn't leave him out for more than about 5 minutes if the other dogs weren't with him or I was inside. I let him out sometimes to go potty without the other dogs and he trots around for a few minutes, then it's "bark, bark...let me in." And I rush to open the door for his royal highness.
My Doberman is close to 90 LBS. If I left him outside for an extended amount of time, he'd be miserable. First, he'd be too cold or too hot, depending on the season. Second, Dobermans are particularly selected to stick like glue to their families. He's fine left in the house loose when I'm gone because he has the other dogs....some other living thing near by. But I couldn't leave him out for more than about 5 minutes if the other dogs weren't with him or I was inside. I let him out sometimes to go potty without the other dogs and he trots around for a few minutes, then it's "bark, bark...let me in." And I rush to open the door for his royal highness.
You are not getting it. Those of us who crate do not have dogs that live their entire lives in a bubble. The crate is a place for the dog to go- ours have a bed in there, and they often go lie in there. Our pug loves his crate, it's a way for him to get away from the big dogs. He sleeps there every night, on his own accord. We crate our Great Dane when we have to go out because if we didn't, she'd destroy the house. As she gets older and is more trustworthy, she will not need to be crated. Right now, she MIGHT spend 2-3 hours a week in the crate and she's never in there when someone is home. Our German Shepherd is 2 1/2, he hasn't been crated since he was 9 months old because he earned our trust. He doesn't chew or destroy things, and is a fine pet indoors.
As far as outside dogs go- you mention the social needs of a dog. My dogs are with me every minute I'm home. Are yours? Do you spend all of your free time outside with them? Or are they left out there to run, play, smell the air all on their own? What about barking? Your dogs never bark? Barking dogs are one of the biggest nuisances I know of. Nothing like a dog barking for a few minutes every hour all night. As far as size goes. I have a Great Dane pup who is over 100lbs and a German Shepherd who is 85lbs of solid muscle. Our pug is a good 25lbs. Should the pug be the only one left inside because the others are big? They are all well behaved indoors, why should they not be allowed inside? They are housebroken, do not get on furniture they are prohibited from getting on, and we keep things like trash cans and cat food closed off from them. They have a big yard to go play in, which I enjoy along with them. Their environment, indoor, and outdoor, is safe.
To me, it sounds like YOU are the one who needs to learn about how to make your dog's life wonderful, not the rest of us.
As far as outside dogs go- you mention the social needs of a dog. My dogs are with me every minute I'm home. Are yours? Do you spend all of your free time outside with them? Or are they left out there to run, play, smell the air all on their own? What about barking? Your dogs never bark? Barking dogs are one of the biggest nuisances I know of. Nothing like a dog barking for a few minutes every hour all night. As far as size goes. I have a Great Dane pup who is over 100lbs and a German Shepherd who is 85lbs of solid muscle. Our pug is a good 25lbs. Should the pug be the only one left inside because the others are big? They are all well behaved indoors, why should they not be allowed inside? They are housebroken, do not get on furniture they are prohibited from getting on, and we keep things like trash cans and cat food closed off from them. They have a big yard to go play in, which I enjoy along with them. Their environment, indoor, and outdoor, is safe.
To me, it sounds like YOU are the one who needs to learn about how to make your dog's life wonderful, not the rest of us.
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Putting a dog in a crate is like sending a kid to bed, or putting them down for a nap. Except that the dog does have the option to chew toys and whatnot in their crate.
Because some of us don't trust our neighbors. Or we have a breed/type that is highly desireable for theft, or a good target for poisoning. My dogs are crated in the house while I am away. If I left them loose in the yard, there is a high likelihood that I would come home to loose dogs, dead dogs, etc.
Because some of us don't trust our neighbors.
Or we have a breed/type that is highly desireable for theft, or a good target for poisoning. My dogs are crated in the house while I am away. If I left them loose in the yard, there is a high likelihood that I would come home to loose dogs, dead dogs, etc.
point well taken, the breed has alot to do with it, and that is sad. so in your case crating works.
EXACTLY! Hell hath no fury like an Ilsa left in a backyard alone! She will bark and scratch to be let in!
Now, since we're anthropomorphzing... would you plop a human baby on the floor of your house and go about your day? How 'bout when said baby gets old enough, would you build a little enclosure outside and make the child live out there (they're too big, you see - they want to run around outside and stretch their legs!)
Or... would you put a baby in a crib or bassinette? Would you section off a "safe" area for your toddler to be with baby gates? Would you give your child a room of their own, "their space" that they dont' have to share?
Just something to think about.
Now, since we're anthropomorphzing... would you plop a human baby on the floor of your house and go about your day? How 'bout when said baby gets old enough, would you build a little enclosure outside and make the child live out there (they're too big, you see - they want to run around outside and stretch their legs!)
Or... would you put a baby in a crib or bassinette? Would you section off a "safe" area for your toddler to be with baby gates? Would you give your child a room of their own, "their space" that they dont' have to share?
Just something to think about.
Um, there's no dangerous wildlife in Utah?
Behold: Utah's Wolf Management Plan: http://www.wildlife.utah.gov/news/05-06/wolf_plan.html
Utah's glorious mountain lions: http://www.wildernessutah.com/brain/mountainlions.html
Research on Utah's coyotes population and their predation habits: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ws/nwrc/field/logan.html
Behold: Utah's Wolf Management Plan: http://www.wildlife.utah.gov/news/05-06/wolf_plan.html
Utah's glorious mountain lions: http://www.wildernessutah.com/brain/mountainlions.html
Research on Utah's coyotes population and their predation habits: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ws/nwrc/field/logan.html
Hi,
I am sorry you feel that we are trying to hurt our dogs.
We don't use them as a punishment, we use them as a safe place. In some areas we CANNOT leave our dogs outside, so we have them inside..and in a crate.
Yes there are many people who use them irresponisbly, but its basically a safe place that a doggy can be .
I am sorry you feel that we are trying to hurt our dogs.
We don't use them as a punishment, we use them as a safe place. In some areas we CANNOT leave our dogs outside, so we have them inside..and in a crate.
Yes there are many people who use them irresponisbly, but its basically a safe place that a doggy can be .