Awww, crap. I have the opportunity to buy a puppy...

[GlassOnion]

I was out galavanting around today and saw some kids playing with puppies in the front yard. Deciding to saunter up (and see if I couldn't score some free puppy time) I asked the parents if they'd mind if I checked them out. They said I could and so I introduced myself.

The litter was an accidental litter. The mom is 1.5 years old and the owner didn't mean to breed her til she was 2. He's a BYB in the sense that he doesn't do it for the blood line (or that's the impression I got), but the two parents are both purebreds and from good stock. He wants $100 for each puppy. Currently they're 5 weeks old.



Oh and did I mention they were GSDs? The parents look absolutely beautiful. The mom is from a line of police working dogs and the dad is registered (for what it's worth, at least). Both very happy, very friendly animals, very healthy looking animals.

I think I might go by tomorrow and inquire as to HD/ED (elbow...). Any thing else I should ask about?

 

[AgilityPup]

*drools* I love GSD puppies!

I don't know what else you could ask - I've never really gotten a pup from a 'breeder'. Good luck, hope you find out what you want to know.

I could really use some cute GSD puppy pictures.

 

[Fran101]

Health tests are always a good thing to ask ask about if the puppies come with health guarantees against genetic problems

of course check out the parents, meet them, play with them, watch them interact, ask about the parents history (good with strangers, other dogs, etc.)

GSDs arent much of a "OMG I LOVE YOU!" wiggly butt come to meet strangers kind of breed, but shouldn't be aggressive either.

 

[GlassOnion]

GSDs arent much of a "OMG I LOVE YOU!" wiggly butt come to meet strangers kind of breed, but shouldn't be aggressive either.

And ya know, I knew that, and expected that, and the dogs don't like his neighbors (who come over a lot) but came right up to me and wanted to be petted and played with. I thought mom would be a bit stand offish since her puppies were around but she laid her head in my lap and let me rub her stomach.

Dad was a bit more reserved but not by much. He sat right by me for a while and I got the feeling that he was kind of 'laying down the law' and trying to intimidate but he warmed up and would let me play with him a short bit later.

 

[smkie]

NIce that the puppies have had DAd around. Fingers crossed you get your pup.

 

[Dekka]

Umm so you are going to support a BYB?

 

[Fran101]

Umm so you are going to support a BYB?

From what I understand the litter was an accident, so they weren't trying to breed their dogs.

 

[Ivy]

Umm so you are going to support a BYB?

So in other words, if there are puppies born nobody should buy them?

Would it be better for them to be PTS?

 

[Lizmo]

From what I understand the litter was an accident, so they weren't trying to breed their dogs.

But the OP said the dogs owner planned to breed at 2 years old.

If the 'breeder' has health tested these dogs and actually does something (not just a 'pet' dog), then I'd say go for it.

But if they are just 'pet' dogs, no health testing, no contract, I agree with Dekka.

 

[Dekka]

So in other words, if there are puppies born nobody should buy them?

Would it be better for them to be PTS?

WOW where did you get that from? Irrelevant much?

No.. its better they go to rescue/shelter so that byb don't make money. No reward no continued breeding.

If they have done hips etc and offer good guarantees then maybe, but still they are producing what is dying in shelters for homes. But I would think a vet-to-be would be more discriminating than to support unethical breeding.

 

[Gustav]

WOW where did you get that from? Irrelevant much?

No.. its better they go to rescue/shelter so that byb don't make money. No reward no continued breeding.

If they have done hips etc and offer good guarantees then maybe, but still they are producing what is dying in shelters for homes. But I would think a vet-to-be would be more discriminating than to support unethical breeding.

This ^^.. Plus..

It doesn't take a genius to know that leaving a female in season with an uneutured male dog results in puppies.. So I don't really buy the whole "Accident" thing.

Maybe you could ask if they would GIVE you a pup? That way they wouldn't be making any money, and would think twice about breeding the next time.. Playing devils advocate here..

 

[ACooper]

WOW where did you get that from? Irrelevant much?

No.. its better they go to rescue/shelter so that byb don't make money. No reward no continued breeding.

If they have done hips etc and offer good guarantees then maybe, but still they are producing what is dying in shelters for homes. But I would think a vet-to-be would be more discriminating than to support unethical breeding.

I don't know about Canada, but here in the states it's NOTHING to see fliers posted AT THE VET OFFICE for BYB puppies. I supposed it's a sticky situation...........the Vet treats their dogs and don't want to offend/lose business. I've always found it REPULSIVE!

Even my own Vet office that I love often has fliers showing new puppies for sale


I hope they have health tested their dogs GO. Titles, ribbons, and awards don't rank in my pupping buying opinions, but health most certainly does.........especially with a GSD whose known to have so many hip/back problems. *crosses fingers for you*

 

[Dekka]

I NEVER see that at my vet's office. Heck they don't even post the 'bad' training flyers. That is sick Coop...

 

[Fran27]

I saw them all the time at my old vet too

I would go for it if the parents were health tested. Otherwise I'd take one for free (or maybe the cost of the immunizations) but that's it.

 

[Criosphynx]

I'd personally pass on a puppy from that situation.

 

[bubbatd]

Just make sure that they are not related !

 

[bittervanityx]

Honestly, Ive kept my mouth shut on BYB threads as long as I've been here I think. But now I'm going to say something, and I know it's a touchy subject and most people here are anti-BYB. Just let me know where to turn in my keys if i'm unwanted after this.

You (as in a general statement) trying to play hero to single handedly stop these guys from breeding their dogs is just a fail situation. You are out numbered by ignorance and nothings ever going to change. No matter how many people you educate theres always going to be 5 that are not. People want a dog, they are going to buy a dog, no matter where its from. What would be the difference if you picked up a BYB dog from the shelter, or bought it from the person? Obviously the money going into the BYB hand, but who is to say they arent going to do it again, and just drop of the unwanted puppies again? Its a vicious cycle thats not going to stop. So, if you want the dog and you have the money to fix potential health problems, go buy the **** dog Onion.

I don't technically favor BYB, but I suppose if you asked where I got my dogs, that would be the only truthful answer. They are both adults now with no genetic health problems and Zelda's temperament is wonderful. Yami is a bit jackassy because I was young and didn't really know about socialization, but still overall awesome when hes met you a few times. Yeah Yeah, I'm lucky. I know many people with dogs from BYB and they are just wonderful.

I could see if she was going to the local pet store and picking out a dog. Puppy mills are 1000 times worse than a BYB. At least most of the parent dogs from BYB have a real home that loves them, even though they produce puppies once a year. They could be stuck in a 5x5 cage their whole life without any human interaction.

 

[Criosphynx]

I don't think education is moot.

I almost bought my first dog from a BYB and after educating myself chose rescue instead. This is a life long decision to me and im on my 6th dog.

Educating people not only stops them from buying the first dog, but perhaps thinking twice about all their future dogs...and that adds up to lot of dogs IMO.

 

[Beanie]

You (as in a general statement) trying to play hero to single handedly stop BREED SPECIFIC LEGISLATION is just a fail situation. You are out numbered by ignorance and nothings ever going to change. No matter how many people you educate theres always going to be 5 that are not. People THINK PIT BULLS ARE MEAN, they are going to BAN PIT BULLS. Its a vicious cycle thats not going to stop.



Yeah, it's a tough fight, so we should just give it up.

 

[bittervanityx]

I'm not saying give it up, well technically I am. But its just the major point of how things work that theres always going to be someone else. Most people that want a family dog or whatever they want the dog for, they are just going to buy it. And the majority of normal people just wanting a dog aren't going to think to educate themselves. Before I came here I didn't know the difference and didn't even think twice as well as all my friends and family.

I'm just trying to say that people that dont come from show or working background or even a k-9 background in general just don't know.


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Ohh when did this turn into a breed bash? This is a discussion on ethics I thought?