The American Vet Society of Animal Behavior Speaks out against Milan type trainers

I am honestly afraid that you have no clue when it comes to saving lives......pass me the idiot spray....

Your not getting attacked because you don't compete or show, that would be silly.
Do you really believe that you are the only one posting that hasn't rescued some very serious cases? Dogs that were on deaths door or dogs so messed up mentally that it appeared the only option was to put them to sleep? But through knowledge, patience and lots of TLC that those dogs went on to wonderful forever homes and were no longer those poor pitiful rescues?

I agree, not all dogs are suited for competing, but that also extends to dogs that are not rescues as well.
Titles in many ways define a breeder/owner, but they are also owned by the dog, because those Titles are hard earned and should be respected, certainly not dismissed.
And I am very certain that our dogs, don't know nor care if they have a bunch of letters in front and behind their names, BUT most of them really enjoy the time spent with us earning all those letters. But having said that, it by no means that a dog that doesn't have any Titles is any less of a great dog to the person/s in their lives and that too also has to be respected.

Congratulations. Do i need to throw you a party?

Everyone here is involved in rescue. Which has been mentioned several times. Are you even reading our posts?

Why do you get to ask questions when you have answered NONE of mine and practically no one elses.


What I do has no bearing on your obvious lack of knowlegde. I can't believe your attitude. It does you, and the dogs you rescue no service.

I suggest you broaden your knowledge a bit and perhaps you will see why your statement are laughable and apauling.

You wonder why you have been attacked?? You should be a shamed and you certainly don't represent all the good knowledgable rescue people that I have had the pleasure of working with and knowing.

I don't apreciate being called names thank you


if an UNTRAINED dog goes into a home that does NO TRAINING what are the odds that that familly will keep that dog?

Once again, did I ever claim that I was the only one to rescue severe cases?

Thank you for the rest of your post!

Interesting, I thought you would like to have the troll spray passed to you...yes?

Don't call me names.....

See, based on your statement it shows how much you know about rescue.
Many rescued dogs without training are adopted out.

no duh.

read my post again.

if an UNTRAINED dog goes into a home that does NO TRAINING what are the odds that that familly will keep that dog?



I ask again.For the third time. What training methods do you use on YOUR dogs.?? Or do you not train anything?


you my friend are acting like a troll. Iam not acting like an idiot, thank you.

Ok, lets get serious here, just how do you assess your cases?? What programs do you put them in? What do you do to educate the new owners, what quaifications do the new owners need to have?

It's not so simple as finding severe cases new homes, they often need to be in very knowledgable foster homes before being placed. Even then finding them homes with enough knowledge is very difficult, if not almost impossible many times.

Why does it matter whether someone is involved in rescue or not as far as this topic goes? It is a very admirable thing to do, to be sure. I am in awe of the good so many people do. But not everyone is cut out for that either. I'm at my limit with dogs in my tiny house and would not do any more dogs justice. I have a back injury and probably can't have a big dog again after my son's dog is gone. She was a resuce but not from an organization....from the side of the road in a garbage bag. And I wasn't the one who rescued her. She was severely abused and appeared destroyed but miraculously has come to be very well adjusted, happy and very trainable. No one could even tell she had such a lousy past.

Anyhow, I don't see how resuce dogs has much to do with this other than CM's methods are pathetic and would have screwed up my son's dog so horribly that I can't even imagine. She is a basically normal, exuberant dog who is very well behaved but isn't afraid to be a little rotten sometimes in her exuberance and zest for life. And she didn't get that way by flooding her with what she feared. And she didn't get that way by being further forced or supressed.

Oh, I have taken in a stray beagle a while back (after Lyric died) but he went back to his owners. I was thinking about keeping that one even though beagles are like the last breed on earth I'd choose on purpose. LOL. He was adorable though and perfectly trainable. He learned a few things while at my house. Outside on a leash was another story. We didn't get too far on that in the short time he was with me. LOL.

Oh gosh...so many posts were written while I was typing.

I so agree though. If you rescue a dog, he should be brought up to snuff so whoever adopts him will be more likely to keep him. (since we're talking about rescues) LOL.

Once the rescue has passed the medical test and is fattened up, if necessary, they will go into a test phase. This will determine of they are dog/cat/small animal friendly, from there we acclimate them to a normal dog environment......several dogs and a home environment. If they pass they will be introduced to basic obedience and basic behavior training.
Then we will try to find a home that will fit their needs with a matching owner or foster.

I agree also....

I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread. I just wanted to mentioned about a episode I happen to fall on with CM. First let me say I do not watch this show, I was just flipping the channel and it happen to fall on his show.

I was amazed by what I saw...and not in a good way. He was trying to scissor a dog's face, looked like either a Bichon or Poodle, with the dog constantly attacking him and the scissors. As a groomer I saw such dangerous potential in what he was doing. He was telling the owner that she should not fear the dog, not back away, just keep scissoring his face. During the episode I was just waiting, with fear, too see this poor dog get impaled with the scissors by the way the dog was attacking them. That is NOT how you handle this situation. I don't watch his show but just by that episode alone I was not impressed by him at ALL.

I saw that one too. I was waiting for that as well. A few simple counterconditioning sessions would have acomplished more.

I agree!


I even have a few doggie clients who are scissor bitters. I usually muzzle them and scissor/shave as much as I can. That way they don't injure themselves....I then have a few that I've learned loved food more then the sc so I hold a yummy treat in my fingers and while they try to get the treat I scissor away. Both groomer/hands and dog are happy. lol

So as Carrie pointed out this thread is about CM and his methods, do you believe that his methods are valuable to working with rescues?

A fraction of his method can be used for rescues.

Yes, I know, I missed a whole line here. I meant if you had those two titles the dog would be worth that much more for someone to want to adopt it. I was daydreaming of what she was saying about not being interested in titling the dogs and it didn't make sense to me.

Why do you think a rescue can't learn? I have taken in many abused rescues and turned them around so they could find homes. You talk about rescues in a demeaning way , as if they were nothing but trouble for you or throw away animals.
Most of the therapy dogs around here are rescues. And by titling I mean getting a CD which only proves the dog has manners and can learn. I wasn't referring to going to conformation shows I was referring to turning an abused homelees dog into a friendly trusting animal that would be loved and cared for. And no better way to do that than with obedience classes.