The American Vet Society of Animal Behavior Speaks out against Milan type trainers

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Yes, Yes, Yes..........

The perfect rescue that does compete like a charm.

I have seen many rescues that are so damaged ....and could not be a show or a agility dog......does that sink in?

no no no.

This is what you said:

I am sorry to burst your bubble.

Rescue dogs are not set up for titles and trophies.....

We try to get them to a home .....

Are you really that dense?
You said Rescue Dogs. Period. You did not say SOME rescue dogs, or MANY rescue dogs, or MOST rescue dogs. You said Rescue dogs. Period.

Still no explanation on why you want to insult someone by insinuating they are dense because they made some remarks.

And still no explanation of why you started all this off by attacking me with this post:

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ORIGINALLY POSTED BY MULTIPLE PAWS:

beautiful.......one must make sure to keep up the bad rep of a dog, such as yours......
 

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Yes, Yes, Yes..........

The perfect rescue that does compete like a charm.

I have seen many rescues that are so damaged ....and could not be a show or a agility dog......does that sink in?
Yes. But all of this can be said for many well-bred dogs as well. ANY dog, rescue or not, can be a titled dog or not. WHERE YOUR DOG COMES FROM DOES NOT DETERMINE WHAT IT WILL DO.

Does that sink in?
 
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Yes, Yes, Yes..........

The perfect rescue that does compete like a charm.

I have seen many rescues that are so damaged ....and could not be a show or a agility dog......does that sink in?
what damage are you refering too??? I own several severly damaged dogs. I'd like to know why you feel they can't overcome most obstacles in the right hands.

Also what rescue dog would "show?" are you refering to conformation? Im confused.

There are many other avenues for competition besides agility and conformation. I can't imagine a damaged dog that wouldn't excel with the structure that obdience training brings.


What training methods do YOU use on your damaged dogs?
 

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what damage are you refering too??? I own several severly damaged dogs. I'd like to know why you feel they can't overcome most obstacles in the right hands.

Also what rescue dog would "show?" are you refering to conformation? Im confused.

There are many other avenues for competition besides agility and conformation. I can't imagine a damaged dog that wouldn't excel with the structure that obdience training brings.


What training methods do YOU use on your damaged dogs?
I have rescued severely emaciated dogs with no training or behavior training!
 
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I have rescued severely emaciated dogs with no training or behavior training!
So you have rescued thin dogs that were a blank training slate... WOW


so why can't these dogs compete after meals and training?

I ask again what methods do you use?

Do you not train at all? Thats the impression im getting.
 

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Every dog should have at least the barest of titles. CGN, and CD if it's worth anything. Without those two what do you have?
I disagree with that statement. Not everyone has an interest in that. And not every dog does well or is happy in that kind of environment. Just read some of Patricia McConnell's books where she just about ruined one of her dogs that became very stressed out in show settings. Plus it's expensive to show. I personally have no interest in that sort of thing. But as I said, I do respect and admire people and dogs who do achieve things that way.

I had a Doberman without the barest of titles because that is not what I'm interested in. He did have a CGC but that's not a title. It's a certificate. What did I have? How could I call him an ambassador to the breed? Let me explain. I could take that dog anywhere and could trust him around all kinds of people...in crowds or anywhere as long as people were reasonable and didn't do things like CM. He had quite a good tolerance level and I never once saw that dog become defensive against anyone. He was explicitly obedient, well mannered and lovely with friendly strangers. People could come into my yard and he never flew off the handle, just watched them... but did warn when someone tried to come in my house who was not invited in. He prevented someone from going inside my house when I was in the shower.

When we went places where there were a bunch of people, they would stop and ask me questions about him and want to pat him. He was big, black and stunnning. Many people who had preconceived negative ideas about the breed found that they were mistaken. They learned that some of the wives tales were false and they learned something about what makes dogs bite and what kind of interaction with humans is safer. Their children learned how to let a dog come to them instead of shoving their hands and face at a dog obtrusively. They not only learned that there were misconceptions about the Doberman, but about a lot of other breeds on the "hit" list as well...that it is other factors, not the breed that causes all this legislation crap. People, for the most part listened and understood. I didn't have plaques hanging on my wall. But he went out amongst public and while not as exposed as Red's dogs, he did his part. I was proud of him and what he managed to accomplish in his 4 short years.

But the main point here is that what started out as an interesting thread has turned into troll-controlled nonsense. I can't believe we're still providing reinforcement to this. You wouldn't try carrying on a conversation like this with a 2 year old, right?
 
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The Mixed Breed Dog Clubs of America offers conformation for mixed breeds or purebreeds unable to compete under other national registries.

MBCDA:
http://mbdca.tripod.com/

MBCDA ~ rules for conformation:
http://mbdca.tripod.com/Conf_Regulations.pdf
Oh I know... The nearest competion to me is in san diego. Thanks tho, i needed those links again.

But I figured MP wasn't aware of this due to the other ignorant statements so i assumed they meant friggin' westminster.:rofl1:
 

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I have rescued severely emaciated dogs with no training or behavior training!
so what your saying is they cant learn :confused: because thats the impression Im getting...

and thats an insult to basically this entire forum and a slap in the face, because all of us at one point or another have had, or do currently have rescue dogs
 
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so what your saying is they cant learn :confused: because thats the impression Im getting...

and thats an insult to basically this entire forum and a slap in the face, because all of us at one point or another have had, or do currently have rescue dogs
Yep.

I don't understand how som'one can support rescue passionately and at the same time think their dogs can't acomplish anything. I don't get it.
 

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I disagree with that statement. Not everyone has an interest in that. And not every dog does well or is happy in that kind of environment.
i agree, and thank you for saying this carrie. there was a good discussion on one of the mailing lists i'm on about whether it is "ok" to stop showing a dog who isn't enjoying it. isn't the whole point to have fun? not all dogs do well under pressure, and while there's a lot you can do to help (control unleashed is a great resource for this), some dogs just aren't cut out for that kind of environment. and that's ok too.
 
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I rescue as many as I can and try to find them a good home, many times it doesn't allow me to train all the dogs I foster and adopt out.
So, if you folks get a kick out of attacking me for not doing all the training and showing.....so be it.
 
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so what your saying is they cant learn :confused: because thats the impression Im getting...

and thats an insult to basically this entire forum and a slap in the face, because all of us at one point or another have had, or do currently have rescue dogs
Did I really say that??? Or did you run with that impression?
 

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Yup. Done.



Until you say something of moderate competance to insinuate that you have any idea of dog ownership.

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I rescue as many as I can and try to find them a good home, many times it doesn't allow me to train all the dogs I foster and adopt out.
So, if you folks get a kick out of attacking me for not doing all the training and showing.....so be it.
I am honestly frightened at this point that you are involved in rescue. Do you not recommend training classes to adopters? If so what type?

You don't own any of your own dogs? Are they not rescues if you do? If so my questions still stand about training.


Som'one pass me the troll spray.
 
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I am honestly frightened at this point that you are involved in rescue. Do you not recommend training classes to adopters? If so what type?

You don't own any of your own dogs? Are they not rescues if you do? If so my questions still stand about training.


Som'one pass me the troll spray.
I own 5 dogs....

Are you involved in rescue?

We try to find homes for many that would meet the gas chamber, and at times we do not have the time to introduce the rescues to classes. We encourage that to the new owners.
 

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