The American Vet Society of Animal Behavior Speaks out against Milan type trainers

[Dekka]

Even a very messed up dog can make a great trial dog (if the dog wants too)

Ferret was a JRT who was stuck in a crate nearly 24/7 for the first year of her life. I don't even think they took her outside. She was the most neurotic dog I have ever met. (also the only dog I have ever met that truly would work for praise alone) You would ask her to sit.. she would sit-pee and go hide under the computer desk. I would clean it up, call her she would come pee and go hide again. She was sooo worried about everything.

I worked with her training to give her confidence. I find dogs who are this messed and stressed benifit greatly from training. As long as you keep it simple the dog gets lots of rewards and gains confidence by knowing what is expected. It also fosters the relationship with the dog. I did agility with her at home. I entered her at a fun trial.. she freaked and ran back to the car. So I did more obedience stuff with her. She got her CD easily and was HIT getting her last leg.

We eventually did a couple of AAC agility trials. No she never Q'd. BUT the big happy grin on her face as she ran beside me was soo worth it. She now lives happily and as well adjusted as she can be with a good friend of mine.

If a dog who was that messed up can overcome her issues.. just about any dog can, with time and patience.

 

[Criosphynx]

good post Dekka. Thats how i feel about it.

 

[multiple paws]

Why do you think a rescue can't learn? I have taken in many abused rescues and turned them around so they could find homes. You talk about rescues in a demeaning way , as if they were nothing but trouble for you or throw away animals.
Most of the therapy dogs around here are rescues. And by titling I mean getting a CD which only proves the dog has manners and can learn. I wasn't referring to going to conformation shows I was referring to turning an abused homelees dog into a friendly trusting animal that would be loved and cared for. And no better way to do that than with obedience classes.

Whew.....once again, where did I say a rescue can't learn?
Are you guys mentally challenged? You keep putting words in my mouth that were never uttered.......yikes.

I talk about rescues in a demeaning way????
Where did that come from?
I rescue them, get it???? If they would not be rescued they wold be dead.....get that?

I rescue, foster and adopt out......5 are forever dogs.....

 

[Criosphynx]

Whew.....once again, where did I say a rescue can't learn?
Are you guys mentally challenged? You keep putting words in my mouth that were never uttered.......yikes.

I talk about rescues in a demeaning way????
Where did that come from?
I rescue them, get it???? If they would not be rescued they wold be dead.....get that?

I rescue, foster and adopt out......5 are forever dogs.....

here.

I am sorry to burst your bubble.

Rescue dogs are not set up for titles and trophies.....

We try to get them to a home .....

Are you really that dense?

:rofl1:

 

[multiple paws]

here.



:rofl1:

Yes, I said they are not set up for titles and trophies.....did I say they can't get there?


As I said, we try to get them to a home.....and what happens after that is up to the owner.......

 

[Criosphynx]

Yes, I said they are not set up for titles and trophies.....did I say they can't get there?

:rofl1::rofl1:

opcorn:opcorn:

you asked where you were demeaning. I answered. Since you obviously don't understand my post. Here it is in stereo for you.

Whew.....once again, where did I say a rescue can't learn?
Are you guys mentally challenged? You keep putting words in my mouth that were never uttered.......yikes.

I talk about rescues in a demeaning way????
Where did that come from?
I rescue them, get it???? If they would not be rescued they wold be dead.....get that?

I rescue, foster and adopt out......5 are forever dogs.....

here.

I am sorry to burst your bubble.

Rescue dogs are not set up for titles and trophies.....

We try to get them to a home .....

Are you really that dense?

 

[multiple paws]

:rofl1::rofl1:

opcorn:opcorn:

you asked where you were demeaning. I answered.

Yumm......lol......you just showed your true colors......hehe

 

[Criosphynx]

Yumm......lol......you just showed your true colors......hehe

that i think your a joke? yup.

 

[jess2416]

As I said, we try to get them to a home.....and what happens after that is up to the owner.......

wow....

If it was me doing the rescueing I would do all that was in my power to work/train/ blah blah blah for as long as I had to, to make SURE that the dog was in a good place to BE adopted out into its forever home...

I would much rather have only rescued 5 dogs and did all that I could with them, and they ended up with forever homes, than to have rescued 500 dogs and not do anything with them, and them keep being returned to shelters

 

[Criosphynx]

 

[multiple paws]

wow....

If it was me doing the rescueing I would do all that was in my power to work/train/ blah blah blah for as long as I had to, to make SURE that the dog was in a good place to BE adopted out into its forever home...

I would much rather have only rescued 5 dogs and did all that I could with them, and they ended up with forever homes, than to have rescued 500 dogs and not do anything with them, and them keep being returned to shelters

Yes, I have seen this.....the "Holier than " attitude!

When was the last time you went to a shelter and took an animal home?

 

[Criosphynx]

Yes, I have seen this.....the "Holier than " attitude!

When was the last time you went to a shelter and took an animal home?

are you ok? Seriously? We can help you.

not trying to make many friends eh?

 

[Criosphynx]

wow....

If it was me doing the rescueing I would do all that was in my power to work/train/ blah blah blah for as long as I had to, to make SURE that the dog was in a good place to BE adopted out into its forever home...

I would much rather have only rescued 5 dogs and did all that I could with them, and they ended up with forever homes, than to have rescued 500 dogs and not do anything with them, and them keep being returned to shelters

:hail::hail::hail::hail:
I agree %100

 

[multiple paws]

wow....

If it was me doing the rescueing I would do all that was in my power to work/train/ blah blah blah for as long as I had to, to make SURE that the dog was in a good place to BE adopted out into its forever home...

I would much rather have only rescued 5 dogs and did all that I could with them, and they ended up with forever homes, than to have rescued 500 dogs and not do anything with them, and them keep being returned to shelters

Also, with this attitude I will assume that you rescued an animal and gave all you can.....

 

[Criosphynx]

Also, with this attitude I will assume that you rescued an animal and gave all you can.....

why are you trying to insult Jess? Insult me? Insult us all?

simply because we choose to train our dogs?

 

[multiple paws]

are you ok? Seriously? We can help you.

not trying to make many friends eh?

Not sucking up much?

It's ok, the more you suck up to a senior member the more you stand a chance of being in the circle........lol

 

[Criosphynx]

Not sucking up much?

It's ok, the more you suck up to a senior member the more you stand a chance of being in the circle........lol

You need help. Seriously.

:rofl1::rofl1::rofl1::rofl1:

oh this is fun.

technically your a senior member to me. Genius.

 

[jess2416]

Yes, I have seen this.....the "Holier than " attitude!

When was the last time you went to a shelter and took an animal home?

Ok, how the **** is that a holier than attitude...??? please tell me, cause I would rather make sure that animals have a LOVING FOREVER HOME.. and to just keep pulling and placing without thinking of the animals wellbeing or the new family...

NOT everyone is capable of dealing with the same kind of dog..or would you just rather say "oh great they are in a home thats all that matters"

and dont ****ing talk to me about going to a shelter and bringing an animal home...

If I could I would, and EVERYONE knows that... I do have a rescue and I love her more than anything...so you cant say **** to me, maybe one day someone can knock that chip you have off your shoulder..

Oh and by the ****ing way, she was found on the side of the road with her littermates at 4-5 weeks..and I wouldnt trade her for the world, yeah she has her issues, but we have worked really really hard on them, and she is doing great thanks

 

[multiple paws]

You need help. Seriously.

:rofl1::rofl1::rofl1::rofl1:

oh this is fun.

technically your a senior member to me. Genius.

Yes, this is fun......keep up the good work.....lol
Eventually, it will pay off!!!

 

[MafiaPrincess]

Yes, I said they are not set up for titles and trophies.....did I say they can't get there?


As I said, we try to get them to a home.....and what happens after that is up to the owner.......

So your the walmart of the rescue world.. Want a hero cookie?

A lot of people on this forum give their all to rescues. They just don't seem to brag about getting as many possible through the door as fast as they can. They actually seem to put some effort into it.

So far you've dodged and evaded people's legitimate Qs and been insulting. So people are dishing it back. People have reposted their questions multiple times, yet you call them and everyone else apparently idiots. You are evading the Qs.. not anyone else. Who is looking ignorant then..