would you own a dog-aggressive dog?
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Umm ok LAST try on my Part then I give up!
Why would I consider it laughable?
Why would Mary be neglected now that she has you? (I have fostered dogs-have one right now if fact-that have bitten humans, worked with them and they were adopted out. And are now living happily. Rehabbing dogs is noble and happens all the time. But then you move on. Dogs live in the moment)
Are you even reading our posts?
Would you like me to restate my questions for you?
PLS TAKE NOTE OF THE FOLLOWING: none of my posts has been personal, I have found your tone at times confusing and upsetting. This is why I asked for clarification.
I am highly confused as some of your posts don't seem to be reflecting the conversation the rest of us are having, there seems to be a disconnect.
Why would I consider it laughable?
Why would Mary be neglected now that she has you? (I have fostered dogs-have one right now if fact-that have bitten humans, worked with them and they were adopted out. And are now living happily. Rehabbing dogs is noble and happens all the time. But then you move on. Dogs live in the moment)
Are you even reading our posts?
Would you like me to restate my questions for you?
PLS TAKE NOTE OF THE FOLLOWING: none of my posts has been personal, I have found your tone at times confusing and upsetting. This is why I asked for clarification.
I am highly confused as some of your posts don't seem to be reflecting the conversation the rest of us are having, there seems to be a disconnect.
Sorry you don't understand my posts. I don't know what else to say. I don't agree with you on many aspects of dog behavior and our rights as their owners. SO be it. I will never find aggressive behavior a light and laughable subject. NOr would i take pride in my dog's abilit to inflict it. I hope to find answers in how to teach my pitty mix to not be triggered by her hardwire. If i can do that, she will be ensured a safe place on this planet barring people that think it can't be done. If i fail, we both lose. Pepper and Me. IT isn't like anyone else is standing around willing to make the effort on her behalf. In fact the one person that did try offer and i hesitated, ended up not being the kind of place a dog like this that has sooooo much to learn should go to. I certainly am not going to encourage her to go after small prey. GOd put her in my path for a reason. I didnt' go out and purchase her. I didn't go out and inspire more breeding of these dogs that are so victimized by our society. I found her half frozen in the middle of the road with no id, and no one looking for her.I didn't want this job but it was given to me and i am going to give it my very best.
ANd Bamm is marvelous.
ANd Bamm is marvelous.
umm ok
That is a great non sequitur Smkie. I guess you don't read mine (and other's) posts
If you don't want to answer my questions. Please just say so. Say "I have no desire to get into that..." Or even "go stuff your questions". At least then I would know you have read them. (or you could say you just skim my posts as you don't feel I have anything significant to contribute)
That is a great non sequitur Smkie. I guess you don't read mine (and other's) posts
If you don't want to answer my questions. Please just say so. Say "I have no desire to get into that..." Or even "go stuff your questions". At least then I would know you have read them. (or you could say you just skim my posts as you don't feel I have anything significant to contribute)
I read them. IN fact your posts in particular made me pretty sick to my stomach yesterday. YOU have stated exactly how you think a dog owner's responsibility should be. You have posted about injury, you have posted about accidental death, you have posted that you have shed tears over many a cat. I don't really want to rehash all of this. I have not seen you post anything that would help anyone teach their dog to not have aggressive tendencies. I have some theories and am going to see if what worked for me in the past will work again. I can't prove that they will work. You seem to think it is your animal's right and I am shocked that so many others here feel the same way. THat a dog can't rise above their animal instincts. THat is your opinion. I just don't happen to have the same perspective. If that were true breed banning would have some justification. I don't think it does, i think it is up to the owner that brings that animal into the home and community to ensure it does not. ANd that is by not encouraging blood lust.
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Well that is cause you were implying I didn't know what a 'real' fight was. So I just stated my experiences in the past. I did say how it ended up. (or did you not read that far) and that those dogs are now living happily in multiple dog homes with no issues? If you did read that, why does that make you sick to your stomach? Do you not like a dog being rehabbed?
Well maybe that was cause I was asking for your advice (in the beginning) No one asked me how I worked on it. (and I did mention a DR/DA dog is always a work in progress) Most people in this thread do work on it. I have read in other threads how they train and what they are doing... I have posted in those as well. So I didn't need to muddy up these waters by bringing in the how... when I was asking you (and being ignored... you still have not answered 'many a question') how you do it with a working dog.
I have never said what you are doing won't work (no idea where you got that from) No one here has said it won't. Your dog might not have those drives, so it may never show up.
I guess my issue is I see YOU as the one who takes it blithely. You have stated over and over and over about how 'your' training will fix all things (ok you did tone that down a bit by the end). At least the rest of us know are training will make things better, but that a dog with these tendancies will never be 'fixed'.
Vermin control by a JRT is more humane than poisons or shootings (at least by most farmers I know.. their aim isn't all that great) So I don't get your whole "working dog=evil monster with sadistic owner" thing. Oh and Snip hasn't killed a cat in about 2 years. So obviously I am doing something right. But I would still say he would if he had the chance.
Anyway I have to go off to work.
but my dogs are that bestest evaaarrrrrr (fingers in ears...can't hear you)
Well that is cause you were implying I didn't know what a 'real' fight was. So I just stated my experiences in the past. I did say how it ended up. (or did you not read that far) and that those dogs are now living happily in multiple dog homes with no issues? If you did read that, why does that make you sick to your stomach? Do you not like a dog being rehabbed?
Well maybe that was cause I was asking for your advice (in the beginning) No one asked me how I worked on it. (and I did mention a DR/DA dog is always a work in progress) Most people in this thread do work on it. I have read in other threads how they train and what they are doing... I have posted in those as well. So I didn't need to muddy up these waters by bringing in the how... when I was asking you (and being ignored... you still have not answered 'many a question') how you do it with a working dog.
I have never said what you are doing won't work (no idea where you got that from) No one here has said it won't. Your dog might not have those drives, so it may never show up.
I guess my issue is I see YOU as the one who takes it blithely. You have stated over and over and over about how 'your' training will fix all things (ok you did tone that down a bit by the end). At least the rest of us know are training will make things better, but that a dog with these tendancies will never be 'fixed'.
Vermin control by a JRT is more humane than poisons or shootings (at least by most farmers I know.. their aim isn't all that great) So I don't get your whole "working dog=evil monster with sadistic owner" thing. Oh and Snip hasn't killed a cat in about 2 years. So obviously I am doing something right. But I would still say he would if he had the chance.
Anyway I have to go off to work.
but my dogs are that bestest evaaarrrrrr (fingers in ears...can't hear you)
Higher standards have nothing to do with it. Smkie posted that all DA dogs should be kept under lock and key, and basically said that the people who own such dogs (as well as dogs with high small animal prey drive) are inadequate trainers who don't value the lives of other dogs. And letting your dog sniff on a walk somehow means your dog humiliates you, doesn't respect you, and drags you around in public, and also means that you don't hold your dogs to a high enough standard.
If we try to defend the fact that our dogs have this drive naturally and it doesn't make them monsters, then we must obviouly enjoy owning a bunch of killers, don't give a d@mn if somebody else's pets get hurt, and think our animals are entitled to inflict harm on other people's pets.
Tell me how we're suppossed to read all that and not be the least little bit offended.
If we try to defend the fact that our dogs have this drive naturally and it doesn't make them monsters, then we must obviouly enjoy owning a bunch of killers, don't give a d@mn if somebody else's pets get hurt, and think our animals are entitled to inflict harm on other people's pets.
Tell me how we're suppossed to read all that and not be the least little bit offended.
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No... according to them you shouldn't say that you'd give Pepper up if she happens to develop DA, which is a possibility if she is a bully breed mix. Frankly, Cristy and I, from looking at pics, think she has more Pointer in her. She reminds me a hell of a lot of Middie.
And not being able to look in the mirror.
So now it's between Kona, Bamm, Chloe and Bimmer? You guys are KILLING me. How do I choose?
I believe that was referring to the "value of a dog" thread I started earlier today... in which many people, including myself, value our dogs (meaning, provide for and care for our dogs) over others dogs. Apparently it's a shame and is sad and lacking of morals.
So now it's between Kona, Bamm, Chloe and Bimmer? You guys are KILLING me. How do I choose?
