would you own a dog-aggressive dog?
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Wow... this thread is just... well I'm glad I didn't join in the fray, as there's nothing I hate more than arguing with someone who's being completely illogical and contradicting themselves, fails to see reason and can't grasp the flaws in their own comments.
Sierra is better than all your dogs, and that's the end of it
Sierra is better than all your dogs, and that's the end of it
maybe it depends on your personal situation. my Addie is dog agressive, but since I don't have anyone around it's not a big issue. she tolerates Ham, but I'd never leave them alone together for a minute. he knows she isn't that loving, so he just leaves her alone. I'm not into dog parks, and it's not a big deal to me that people can't visit with their dog. she is never offleash, either. if a dog comes into the yard, she is in her own fenced yard (because she would get so upset that she fights with Ham. they are now always separated when outside without supervision). if she senses a dog is outside and she in in the house, I know to immediately seclude her until she is calm. because we are rural, I'm just saying it would never be an issue where I'd even consider getting rid of her or putting her down. so it does depend on your own lifestyle.
I stated how I felt about MY life in MY community. I never said how YOU should live IN yours. I stated that if a dog breaks out of its home because it is dog aggressive and has unchecked behavior and is not being monitored, i will hold the owner completely responsible. I stated that i do not want to own an over the top too highly bred agressive dog. That those dogs IMO should be the responibility of pros. We would not breed such a creature at the kennel i grew up at. TEmperment breeding was a serious concern for labs can be very aggressive. TOo high of an lab and you cannot gain the kind of control necessary to make a good hunting partner and a valued family member. THat is the responisiblity of the breeder AND The owner that purchases the animal and brings it home. WE sought a happy medium, a safe and effective medium. I only stated what worked for me. IF you feel that i think you are a monster because your dog has torn other dogs, and that it kills cats, and that you think it is a joke, i dont' think you or your dogs are monsters i do however think you are responsible. I don't like you very much, wouldn't want to hang out with you, but you have as much a right to your life as i have to mine as long as your dog doesn't come to the end of my leash or my yard and cause harm. I feel for cats because i think they are in the inbetween place of wild things and domesticated..neither fully one or the other. I would never compare them to dogs. I had a friend that had birds and cats and her birds walked all over the floor and all over the cats for that matter. I Dont' know how she did it but she did. I am trying to keep an open mind that dogs that are born with da tendencies with proper training and tender encouragements of gentleness can grow into something more then they were hard wired for. For pepper's sake i hope it's true and intend on doing everything in my power to encourage that becuase she is a hard headed turbo-ized way of thinking. IF that makes me a monster...ok..take it anyway you want. I stated the way i train when we are outside in the real world and how i expect my animals to behave so that they are of an understanding that this is a be very good place. THat has worked very well for me. THat is all i can do to back up my beliefs. If you do it otherwise, i am not saying you are wrong, i am saying that i found it didn't work FOR ME.
IF you feel bad because your dog hurt something else, imo you should, it's your dog. If you feel bad becaue your dog killed a cat, multiple cats, you should, it's your dog. THat is unless that is your goal, you hate cats and want them all to die in this manner. If that makes me offensive...ok. I can live with that.
IF you feel bad because your dog hurt something else, imo you should, it's your dog. If you feel bad becaue your dog killed a cat, multiple cats, you should, it's your dog. THat is unless that is your goal, you hate cats and want them all to die in this manner. If that makes me offensive...ok. I can live with that.
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Hardly the norm in their temperament and if you are starting with good dogs probably not a big worry in breeding, much as with Beagles. To quote BP "hello...left field?" A bird dog is not aggressive as much as drivey or birdy...perhaps you are confused on the terminology.
Lab standard: True Labrador Retriever temperament is as much a hallmark of the breed as the "otter" tail. The ideal disposition is one of a kindly, outgoing, tractable nature; eager to please and non-aggressive towards man or animal. The Labrador has much that appeals to people; his gentle ways, intelligence and adaptability make him an ideal dog. Aggressiveness towards humans or other animals, or any evidence of shyness in an adult should be severely penalized.
Lab standard: True Labrador Retriever temperament is as much a hallmark of the breed as the "otter" tail. The ideal disposition is one of a kindly, outgoing, tractable nature; eager to please and non-aggressive towards man or animal. The Labrador has much that appeals to people; his gentle ways, intelligence and adaptability make him an ideal dog. Aggressiveness towards humans or other animals, or any evidence of shyness in an adult should be severely penalized.
I don't see how i am contridicting myself. I am not theone that owns the aggressive animal. i have never owned an aggressive animal. I would not own an aggressive animal because i feel it is danger to the animals around me i care about. THere is no contritidiction to that. I do not have the magic wand to wipe away what is already done. DId i say YOU should not own an aggressive animal? Not if you can keep the peace. I do have a right to put my dog on a leash and walk down the street without being attacked. IF your animal gets out and harms my in control animal then i hold the owner..NOT THE Dog completely and totally responsible. IF this is illogical spell it out for me for i really need to understand.
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What makes you believe any of us take the responsibility lightly? I just don't find owning a prey-driven, dog-aggressive dog who hasn't killed or maimed anybody else's pet to be all that spectacular. It is quite unremarkable. It is WHAT IS EXPECTED of any owner of any dog, regardless of breed.
And BTW, you are all wrong. Luce is the best dog ever. So there.
And BTW, you are all wrong. Luce is the best dog ever. So there.
Ozzy loves to be smooched on his speckled head. He also loves to have his ears nom nommed. Which happens frequently around here. Oz is never offleash when there are other dogs about. He can get... snarky. Very snarky. We're working on it. He hasn't hurt anything but squirrels and smaller furry rodents, but I don't disillusion myself that he would never. He's a dog. He has teeth. I know exactly what he is capable of. And he is capable of a snarling frothy screaming rage at another dog. Granted, that is only at a dog that has attacked HIM but just because it's only that dog doesn't mean crap. He has the potential to harm another dog.
Any dog. ANY DOG, has the potential to be a loaded gun. ANY DOG. It is just how you manage your own gun safety that determines exactly what your dog does, goes off at, and threatens. Personally, I've never taken a gun or dog safety course. But I know enough about both to respect them highly, and to not underestimate what they are capable of. The potential for disaster, should someone not know, is deadly.
ahh I see your issue now. IMO killing does not equate hatered. I don't hate cows, or pigs, or house flies. A swift and as painless death as possible is not a terrible thing. (for any living creature)
Snip has killed 3 feral cats in his life. In that time I have found many more dead in my barn from cold, starvation or ailment. The reason I don't want Snip killing cats, has more to do with the fact I don't want him accidentally getting loose from me at someones house and killing a cat, than it does with me thinking his actions 'cruel' Snip does not hate cat either.
A swift snap of the neck is much better than a lingering death of starvation or cold. But if you find any killing a sign of hatred well that explains much and in that light makes your posts less contradicting/confusing. Thank you for finally explaining, at least in part, the questions we have been asking.
Snip has killed 3 feral cats in his life. In that time I have found many more dead in my barn from cold, starvation or ailment. The reason I don't want Snip killing cats, has more to do with the fact I don't want him accidentally getting loose from me at someones house and killing a cat, than it does with me thinking his actions 'cruel' Snip does not hate cat either.
A swift snap of the neck is much better than a lingering death of starvation or cold. But if you find any killing a sign of hatred well that explains much and in that light makes your posts less contradicting/confusing. Thank you for finally explaining, at least in part, the questions we have been asking.