What do you personally believe in?...
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tessa_s212 said:
Lol.
The difference from up until now and then now, is that up until now I was just being listened to. And we were having a nice discussion. And I wasn't feeling bashed or attacked, and certainly not harshly questioned. Fact is, you are here for a debate. And arguement. Here to prove me wrong, and prove yourself right. And debates are not what gets a person to believe. They aren't. I know this from experience. And I know I promised myself I would never be one of those christians that would debate God to only prove myself right, for only my own pride and selfish reasons. And continueing would be doing that. I have already stated all that I can. From now on I'd only be repeating myself(which I think I've already been doing anyway. Lol).
So, good day, and happy debating.
The difference from up until now and then now, is that up until now I was just being listened to. And we were having a nice discussion. And I wasn't feeling bashed or attacked, and certainly not harshly questioned. Fact is, you are here for a debate. And arguement. Here to prove me wrong, and prove yourself right. And debates are not what gets a person to believe. They aren't. I know this from experience. And I know I promised myself I would never be one of those christians that would debate God to only prove myself right, for only my own pride and selfish reasons. And continueing would be doing that. I have already stated all that I can. From now on I'd only be repeating myself(which I think I've already been doing anyway. Lol).
So, good day, and happy debating.
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Squidbert said:
They are lies and excuses from what she believes.. I understand where she is coming from.. she's speaking from her faith..
I'm going to be praying for you.. You have shown me in this thread that you are the kind of person I'd like to spend eternity with in Heaven. (Though, I pray for all non-believers.. but I will have a special prayer for you.)And I want to apologize. I came off very close minded and like a bigot with my choice of words. "Lies and excuses" were some strong words, and not the proper ones, particularly when I was talking about your own reasons for not being able to believe.
There's a way to pose questions and seem sincerely and genuinely interested in answers without coming across harsh.
I ask questions, only because I like to hear other people's point of view. My questions don't appear (at least I hope they don't) as if I'm trying to disprove something or make someone look foolish.
If you sincerely want to know about how someone feels coming across harshly won't get your answers.
I ask questions, only because I like to hear other people's point of view. My questions don't appear (at least I hope they don't) as if I'm trying to disprove something or make someone look foolish.
If you sincerely want to know about how someone feels coming across harshly won't get your answers.
Roxy's CD said:
There's a way to pose questions and seem sincerely and genuinely interested in answers without coming across harsh.
I ask questions, only because I like to hear other people's point of view. My questions don't appear (at least I hope they don't) as if I'm trying to disprove something or make someone look foolish.
If you sincerely want to know about how someone feels coming across harshly won't get your answers.
I ask questions, only because I like to hear other people's point of view. My questions don't appear (at least I hope they don't) as if I'm trying to disprove something or make someone look foolish.
If you sincerely want to know about how someone feels coming across harshly won't get your answers.
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BigDog, this will be my last post to you. Despite your efforts to disrespect my wishes to no longer continue in this thread. Can you not see yourself? Can you not see it? Can you not feel.. you can't. I know.. but I wish you could. Lord, I wish you could. And it hurts me so much to know that you can't... All I ask is to read what you are typing. Can you not read, see, and feel the way you are coming off? I hope that you will be able to realize this, because this is why I cannot continue responding to you at this moment in time.
I'm not trying to get out of anything. I'd LOVE for more than ANYTHING for you to open up your heart and listen to me. I'd love nothing more that for you to truly hear my answers. But I have already said all that I can. I HAVE tried, and you know that. God knows this, and God knows my pain I feel because I know I am not capable of doing any more. And the best I can do from now on is continue to pray for you. God knows I will be.
I'm not trying to get out of anything. I'd LOVE for more than ANYTHING for you to open up your heart and listen to me. I'd love nothing more that for you to truly hear my answers. But I have already said all that I can. I HAVE tried, and you know that. God knows this, and God knows my pain I feel because I know I am not capable of doing any more. And the best I can do from now on is continue to pray for you. God knows I will be.
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BigDog - There are two testaments to the Bible, the Old and the New. In the Old Testament you see the vengeful God that you are describing. However, in the New Testament you see the loving side of God. Not one Christian believes that God is a "bad father" as you seem to think he is. If you read through the Bible you will see all of the kind and caring things that God and Jesus did for the people back then. When someone did wrong, and were not sorry for what they did or if they deliberately/intentionally disobeyed God they were punished. If you choose to believe God is mean and vengeful then you will only see that side. If you choose to believe, read, have faith in the fact that God is also caring, kind and loving you will see both sides. You can not say that Christians make God out to be bad because true Christians don't. Read the Bible, search for answers, talk to pastors/priests, brothers/sisters, etc. If you want the truth, look for it. Don't just go by what you think you know. Explore and study and then come back and say that you've seen both sides. Only then can you really make a sound decision. JMO
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Roxy's CD said:
There's a way to pose questions and seem sincerely and genuinely interested in answers without coming across harsh.
I ask questions, only because I like to hear other people's point of view. My questions don't appear (at least I hope they don't) as if I'm trying to disprove something or make someone look foolish.
If you sincerely want to know about how someone feels coming across harshly won't get your answers.
I ask questions, only because I like to hear other people's point of view. My questions don't appear (at least I hope they don't) as if I'm trying to disprove something or make someone look foolish.
If you sincerely want to know about how someone feels coming across harshly won't get your answers.
Thankyou, Roxy, you made this thread interesting and fantastic.
What? So now you're telling me I can't "feel"? Tessa, I'm honestly disappointed in you. This is not the way I feel a Christian representative should ask and I feel that it's the reason so many people turn away from Christianity. You're not even giving me a chance. I may come off as blunt but that's the way I am; I already told you that I apologize if anything I said offended or if I came off as bashing, it was meant to be that way and I thought you could understand that.
I am listening but Tessa... you're not talking. Again, you haven't answered one of my questions. Good, pray for me... but God also knows you're not giving me a shot.
I am listening but Tessa... you're not talking. Again, you haven't answered one of my questions. Good, pray for me... but God also knows you're not giving me a shot.
OKay, I've read the whole thread and tried to absorb it all, but a lot of it just gets jumbled up in my head.
As for what I believe, it changes from day to day. Some days I think that maybe there is a god, but most days I don't. I do believe in abortion and assisted suicide.
There are some things that, if they are true, then I don't want to spend eternity w/ god because he is an @$$. Like if you commit suicide that you are automatically going to hell, I think that is crap. My dad was an athiest to the day he died, and if he went to hell for that, then I'm not sure that I want to be in heaven if he isn't.
I believe that being homosexual or bisexual is natural, some manatees have homosexual relationships, does god have something against manatees?
This confuses me, because the way I see it, that means I could sit here and say that fairies are real to the point where I have faith and believe that fairies are real, but that still doesn't mean that fairies are real. I could do the same thing with god and then I'll believe that god is real in the same way that I believe that fairies are real. Does that make them real? I don't think that that made any sense (but it does in my head, lol). I may have taken that whole quote out of context.
Tessa- What are these signs that you keep talking about, the ones that you were missing, the subtle ones that god was sending you? (That came out sounding very b!tchy and rude, but I swear that isn't what I am intending)
Also, I don't feel "lonely", I don't really understand that either...
I don't know...I'm confused...
As for what I believe, it changes from day to day. Some days I think that maybe there is a god, but most days I don't. I do believe in abortion and assisted suicide.
There are some things that, if they are true, then I don't want to spend eternity w/ god because he is an @$$. Like if you commit suicide that you are automatically going to hell, I think that is crap. My dad was an athiest to the day he died, and if he went to hell for that, then I'm not sure that I want to be in heaven if he isn't.
I believe that being homosexual or bisexual is natural, some manatees have homosexual relationships, does god have something against manatees?
This confuses me, because the way I see it, that means I could sit here and say that fairies are real to the point where I have faith and believe that fairies are real, but that still doesn't mean that fairies are real. I could do the same thing with god and then I'll believe that god is real in the same way that I believe that fairies are real. Does that make them real? I don't think that that made any sense (but it does in my head, lol). I may have taken that whole quote out of context.
Tessa- What are these signs that you keep talking about, the ones that you were missing, the subtle ones that god was sending you? (That came out sounding very b!tchy and rude, but I swear that isn't what I am intending)
Also, I don't feel "lonely", I don't really understand that either...
I don't know...I'm confused...
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Every father does what's best for his children. If annhilating an entire race meant saving another, so be it. If healing one blind man helps someone to believe (or have faith) again, so be it.
Some things have to be done to better man-kind. For example: Pillars of Salt that you mentioned - They were told not to look back and what would happen yet they disobeyed God so they were punished. If you disobey you will be punished...just as with a "real" father.
Some things have to be done to better man-kind. For example: Pillars of Salt that you mentioned - They were told not to look back and what would happen yet they disobeyed God so they were punished. If you disobey you will be punished...just as with a "real" father.
That doesn't remove his guilt. What difference does it make if you annihilate one race for another race? That's to say that God likes one group of people better.
The punishment goes too FAR though. Come on, they LOOKED... they didn't deserve that. A real father will TEACH you, yeah, he'll punish you but not to the extent that God will... not that far. Honestly, He seems out of control.
The punishment goes too FAR though. Come on, they LOOKED... they didn't deserve that. A real father will TEACH you, yeah, he'll punish you but not to the extent that God will... not that far. Honestly, He seems out of control.
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Homosexuality is not natural and was never intended to be natural. A passage of the Bible reads: Man shall not lay with man nor beast.
If you commit suicide, you can't ask for forgiveness. You ultimately gave up on life and God. Why should you go to heaven?
As for your father, I can't/won't comment because I won't start an argument. I will say that if someone does not know about God and was not taught about God then, no, they do not go to hell. If they know of God and choose to ignore him, then it's a good possibility (or purgatory).
If you commit suicide, you can't ask for forgiveness. You ultimately gave up on life and God. Why should you go to heaven?
As for your father, I can't/won't comment because I won't start an argument. I will say that if someone does not know about God and was not taught about God then, no, they do not go to hell. If they know of God and choose to ignore him, then it's a good possibility (or purgatory).
This is what I believe
I believe the way into heaven is to accept Christ as my saviour. He died because humans are sinners and that's not going to change. God does not recommend that we sin but it does not nessecarily mean we are going to hell because we committed a sin. You should ask for forgiveness and try to lead a good life.
I don't know if everything is predetermined or not. I believe that while we are on earth God is there to guide us HOWEVER, we must make our own choices. Satan is always around with temptation. Trying to turn people to "the dark side" if you will LOL We must make the choice to follow the Lord or to follow Satan.
I don't believe that God is there to prevent bad things from happening to us. Bad things happen to teach us. There is a saying that God will not build a mountain you can't climb it's whether or not YOU believe you can climb it. If you need his help he is always there. Sometimes prayers aren't answered for reasons and then some are. But whether the prayer was answered or not there was a reason. Either you learned a great deal or have a new respect for life after going through your ordeal or God has spoken to you and helped you through.
I believe the way into heaven is to accept Christ as my saviour. He died because humans are sinners and that's not going to change. God does not recommend that we sin but it does not nessecarily mean we are going to hell because we committed a sin. You should ask for forgiveness and try to lead a good life.
I don't know if everything is predetermined or not. I believe that while we are on earth God is there to guide us HOWEVER, we must make our own choices. Satan is always around with temptation. Trying to turn people to "the dark side" if you will LOL We must make the choice to follow the Lord or to follow Satan.
I don't believe that God is there to prevent bad things from happening to us. Bad things happen to teach us. There is a saying that God will not build a mountain you can't climb it's whether or not YOU believe you can climb it. If you need his help he is always there. Sometimes prayers aren't answered for reasons and then some are. But whether the prayer was answered or not there was a reason. Either you learned a great deal or have a new respect for life after going through your ordeal or God has spoken to you and helped you through.
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He's God. He created us. If he wanted to wipe us all out and start over he could. Instead, he chose to rid the world (we're talking Old Testament, not current goings on) of those that refused to listen to him. Adam and Eve got off lightly because they were the first 2 ever created. If he'd killed them we wouldn't be here. However, they were banished from Eden and given a normal life span. If they'd listened we'd probably all be better off now. Since we were given free will (to an extent) they screwed up and thus screwed up for the rest of his throughout history.
BD,
Your not being fair. You asking a person who is human like you, who has feelings like you not to react? Just because she prays. goes to church, and loves God does not make her perfect. This is part of the trouble with believers and non believers. The non believers think that because someone is "christian" they should be perfect all the time. Thats Idealistic thinking. Unfortunatly all christians and non christians do come from backrounds where life wasnt perfect and have old habits that are very ingrained and hard to change.
Some things take alot of time to change some change fairly easily and some never change. Christians are human too. You shouldnt look to them for perfection or judge them because they arent perfect.
Your not being fair. You asking a person who is human like you, who has feelings like you not to react? Just because she prays. goes to church, and loves God does not make her perfect. This is part of the trouble with believers and non believers. The non believers think that because someone is "christian" they should be perfect all the time. Thats Idealistic thinking. Unfortunatly all christians and non christians do come from backrounds where life wasnt perfect and have old habits that are very ingrained and hard to change.
Some things take alot of time to change some change fairly easily and some never change. Christians are human too. You shouldnt look to them for perfection or judge them because they arent perfect.