Watching a train wreck in slo-mo

[casablanca1]

The owners of the dog who attempted to slaughter my dog at my feet a few years ago have got themselves another dog. The vicious one died (supposedly; I wouldn't put it past them to have 'rehomed' the dog to get away from all the trouble it caused) but now they've replaced her. And I'm just bemused. I knew they'd get another dog. They're trash, completely irresponsible, and they didn't suffer any consequences from their behavior the first time around. So why not buy another of the exact same breed? After all my fruitless efforts to get someone in the local police or courts to take some action against them, I'm beyond indignation or anger. I'm just hoping that when this dog does go off (because it will, because of what it is and who it's owned by), it hurts someone who deserves it, like one of those cops who ASSURED me that the owner was a great gal, a town matron who lavished care on her dog. I hope this dog gelds someone.

Anyone else have the dubious pleasure of watching a train wreck from conception?

 

[ChRotties]

I'm curious of what you mean by, "because of what it is" ?
Are you saying you believe that certain breeds are inherently vicious or something?

 

[Miakoda]

I'm curious of what you mean by, "because of what it is" ?
Are you saying you believe that certain breeds are inherently vicious or something?

Didn't you know?

 

[pkulak]

Didn't you know?

Well, some breeds really are more aggressive. You can say it's the environment, and maybe it does just so happen that many more Pits are abused then other dogs, but the fact is, if you see a Pit on the street, it's much more likely to attack you then any other breed, regardless of the reason.

Now, I'm not saying that a responsible owner can't raise a great Pit. In fact, I would think that would be the likely result of a good environment. But something has to account for the statistics.

Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada
September 1982 to November 13, 2006:

Pomeranian: 1 (hehe, there was one attack)
Labrador: 26
German Shepherd: 63
Pit Bull: 1110

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog Attacks 1982 to 2006 Clifton.pdf

 

[Denaluvscorgis]

Uh oh!!!opcorn:

 

[pkulak]

Uh oh!!!opcorn:

I'm new here, but yeah, that may have been a bit of a troll post.

 

[ravennr]

Looks like someone needs some history lessons on the Pit Bull Terrier.



Casablanca, have you (or would you dare, since they seem like such horrid pet owners) confronted them? Maybe tried to approach it 'nicely' and let them know about training classes and such? Or are they literally just too hard headed to care? I've had to deal with people who act that way too; while their dogs never attacked, they wandered around, un-altered, producing puppies like crazy and causing general problems for people. Some of them really can't be swayed to be good people when it comes to their 'property'.

 

[Renee750il]

Yup, you're new Do a thread search on Pit Bulls. We've all learned a great deal about them, particularly over the past year.

And yes, environment plays a huge part. I have dogs who really ARE bred to have an intense dislike of strange humans and to be hyper-defensive guardians, unlike the APBT. BUT . . . mine routinely spend entire days in a retail environment. They've been raised in such a way that has allowed them to recognize different situations and different behaviors.

At the store, they are aware of everything that goes on, but happily greet customers who want to meet them. At home, in the car, or out with me at night, they are totally different creatures.

How you raise your dogs plays a huge part in how they adapt to their lives.

 

[Bahamutt99]

Pkulak, numbers can be skewed to show whatever the compiler wants to show. Like what I posted in response to a YouTube member saying the dog in this video would be "a lot" more likely to kill the kid than the parents would be:

Research. How about a CDC study of rare fatal injuries to children? Results:
Human caregivers - 826
Buckets - 22
Playgrounds - 15
Balloons -- 11
Dogs - 10
It is honestly amazing how people can take something cute like a video of a dog and kid interacting and turn it into a bash-the-breed fest.

The thought that you can look at a dog and judge it more likely to attack is ludicrous. The unsocialized, untrained, poorly-bred dog is more likely to attack, and you can't always tell that just by looking. My dog was the only APBT competing in an agility trial down here, and there were no more problems with her than with the various other breeds there. In fact -- and this made me proud -- people came up to us afterward and thanked us for bringing her out, and that she should really be the poster child for the breed. But yet, if I was walking this dog down the street, and somebody else was walking a Labrador, you say my dog would be more likely to attack? Who are you, Miss Cleo?

 

[DemitriousK]

Woe betide the first person to pull a gun on Renee and try to rob the store...

One masked robber laying prone on the floor... $0

One Pool of human urin... $0

The site of your dog holding a robbers neck gently enough not to kill him, but strongly enough to let him know that she could if he decided to test her patience... Priceless

 

[darkchild16]

LOL thats great Mit and so fitting LOL.

 

[Denaluvscorgis]

Renee explained that very well!!!

We've all learned so much since becoming members here at Chaz!!!!!!

 

[darkchild16]

Definantly look them up or ask one of the many pit owners on Chaz we are always willing to help educate

 

[Denaluvscorgis]

I haven't ever owned a Pit, but I have been around many and I have never had any bad experiences with any of them ever. It's just like any other dog...all in how they're brought up and what type of life they have had! IMHO

 

[Amstaffer]

Its really to bad that your neighbor the idiot has jaded you so much on a wonderful breed............... but anyway, to your question.

Yes I have been watching a train wreck in slo-mo myself. My Neighbor who is a nice lady with good intentions but limited education and intellect has raised two very aggressive (untrained) dogs and raising more (BYB). She thinks she is doing right but hasn't not taken advice and because people in the area have called the city, I think she is going to face problems. I only hope the sadness is limited to her. She has a dog that is 140lbs + and I believe could kill a grown man. So far the dogs have never gotten loose but if they ever do you hear about it on CNN

BTW...Her dogs are mutts...if that mattered.


pkulak Your stats are off. You list a couple of breeds then you list a breed type. Pit Bull is not a breed but rather a term used to describe a type of dog.

Also Pit Bull type dogs are most popular in Poverty ridden urban areas were education is poor and violence is valued. These areas are more dangerous in many ways (Guns, Drugs, Knives, and yes Dogs) People use these dogs like they do anything else in their lives uninformed, carelessly and with dubious intentions. Many of these areas have an "upside down" culture. Violence=Strong, Peace=Weak. Why are we surprised when some people use dogs the same way the use everything else in their lives? It actually surprises me that more of their pets don't kill or maim.

(written in a hurry)

 

[Scooter]

I think my fear of Pit Bulls is fueled by the media, not by anything I've actually experienced. But when I come upon one I'm instantly afraid. It's too bad, because I know a lot of people have Pit Bulls who are very sweet dogs. Maybe if I spent more time with them my fears would fade.

 

[Miakoda]

Well, some breeds really are more aggressive. You can say it's the environment, and maybe it does just so happen that many more Pits are abused then other dogs, but the fact is, if you see a Pit on the street, it's much more likely to attack you then any other breed, regardless of the reason.

Now, I'm not saying that a responsible owner can't raise a great Pit. In fact, I would think that would be the likely result of a good environment. But something has to account for the statistics.

Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada
September 1982 to November 13, 2006:

Pomeranian: 1 (hehe, there was one attack)
Labrador: 26
German Shepherd: 63
Pit Bull: 1110

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog Attacks 1982 to 2006 Clifton.pdf

Woa! Your stats are sooooo off! First off, that dogbitelaw site is a royal joke & all of their info has been proven false & they have already been busted for posting pictures of people attacked by 'pit bulls' that it seems were attacked by other breeds & the pics were used against their knowledge.

Here's a hint: research involves a lot more than just googling a few terms, clicking on the first website (especially one that is very pro-BSL), & quoting it as "truth."

Second, I'm curious as to how you know this. Especially since you don't seem to even know that a 'pit bull' isn't even a breed of dog. It is a generic term that according to some government's definition includes any dog ranging in weight from 25-130 lbs with muscular sctructure and short hair. Hmmmm, I wonder just how many true breeds fit that description.

Third, you would be advised to know that there is no governing body that is set up to record dog bite statistics and for many reasons. For one, the vast majority of dog bites go unreported either by those who were bitten or by the doctors who treat them. Two, with breed misidentification at an all time high and mixed breeds being very popular, no one truly knows what bit them unless verified by the owner who knows exactly what breed is dog is or what the genetic makeup is in his mixed breed. While I am all for some sort of true nationwide service to record this data, one would still have to make sure that each & every town & city was accurately submitting the info to the county/parish it resides in which would then pass the info on to a state governing body that would then pass it onto a regional or national organization. And the truth is that the government is too busy with other items on their agenda.

Fourth, in cities & such that keep their own statistics, "pit bulls" & "pit bully type dogs" actually rank low on the list of most likely to bite dogs. Oddly enough, Labrador Retrievers tend to top those lists.

EDIT: I also wanted to add that I wrote a letter today (a 6 page one! ) in response to recent efforts to push BSL in the state of Louisiana specifically in East Baton Rouge Parish. If anyone is interested in reading it, I would love to send it to you. Send me your email through a pm & I will get it to you asap. Plus, I would love to hear some comments from people about it.

 

[ravennr]

Good post Miakoda.

 

[Zoom]

Did Casa ever specifically mention it was a PitBull, or did we just kind of go off on a tangent?

 

[Doberluv]

I deleted my post. I got it mixed up with another thread...thought I was replying to the other thread. Sorry.