Wales bans shock collars

[Chewbecca]

In the right hands a stick can be a useful training aid. But unfortunately, only 1 in 10 people have the right hands.

I didn't read the whole thread, hell, I didn't make it past the first page.
I just wanted to reply to this.

Well, I got an idea then, let's ban flexi-leashes. Since I've seen maybe 2 people in my entire life that use those properly as well. You know...a flexi-leash in the wrong hands can mean disaster.

I HATE a lot of tools in this world. I do. I hate electric fences, I hate flexi-leashes, and most of all, I HATE STUPID, IRRESPONSIBLE OWNERS.


But, the fact still stands, you start banning things like that, it's so much easier to ban more important things, like, guns, pit bulls...oh wait!
We're talking about the UK, right?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure those things are already banned there (guns and pit bulls, that is, but I could be wrong...).


Wait! I got another idea!
Let's make new laws, instead of enforcing ones already in place (like, oh, I don't know punishing the human criminals breaking the already existing laws)!
That way we can start blaming inanimate objects for "crimes" and creating MORE criminals, because before you know, everything is a law, and stupid laws are being broken even unintentionally.

Better yet, let's hand ALL control over to our government so that they can make ALL our decisions for us and determine what's best for us.
That way we don't have to think for ourselves.

 

[smkie]

I'd rather they ban prong collars and choke chains. I've seen many injuries from the incorrect use of these "training tools", but the worst I've seen from shock collars is from when people just leave the collar on all the time and they get a pressure necrosis.

What about people who live in a community that isn't allowed to put up a fence, so they have an invisible fence?

Guess those folks are SOL.

agreed

This was a necessary piece of equipment with Peppers deepset runaway and don't get caught behavior when she came. Now we can put it away and she can enjoy freedom like she has never had before. Anything used incorrectly can be bad. But if used correctly, i think this saved her life.

 

[shadowfacedanes]

Exactly. Even crates. But you don't see anyone calling for them to be banned, despite the fact that they are so widely misused.

Um-kay, everyone who lives in a country where crating your dog is illegal (in any way), raise your hand!

(gonna go hide my knives, forks, and spoons)

Well with the anti-tethering laws now...I bet ar people are planning to ban crates too.

For those that think it can't/won't happen, don't forget about this:
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72604

It's not that far fetched to think that right will be the next one that they strip away from us.

When people keep saying "Yay" and "Thumbs Up" patting these idiots on the back for their new laws....they're fueling the fires. Keep telling them Good Job until we, as dog owners, have no rights. I don't know about the rest of you, but I was born with a brain and can make my own decisions concerning the well being of my dogs. I don't need the govt's input on what is "best" for my dogs.

Ugh. It's infuriating.

/tangent

 

[Chewbecca]

I honestly don't think ANY piece of equipment should be banned.

Uh, Ella is recovering from a granuloma on her neck. I HAVE TO USE a prong and a choke or martingale collar on her right now because all of my other collars are too thick and will rub her sore.
I KNOW she cannot back out of a prong collar and martingale.
I don't give her corrections on it, I don't need to.


Why not go after the people who use these improperly? Instead of going after the inanimate objects themselves?

I thought people had more common sense than this.

 

[RedHotDobe]

Laziness. Punishing those who use them improperly takes more time and effort than just banning the offending object.

I agree with you. I think the people who abuse the tools should be punished. Just because they're taken away, doesn't mean they won't find some other method of abuse.

 

[Angelique]

Well, I got an idea then, let's ban flexi-leashes. Since I've seen maybe 2 people in my entire life that use those properly as well. You know...a flexi-leash in the wrong hands can mean disaster.

:lol-sign::hail:

 

[Lilavati]

Well, I got an idea then, let's ban flexi-leashes. Since I've seen maybe 2 people in my entire life that use those properly as well. You know...a flexi-leash in the wrong hands can mean disaster.

There's a use for a dang flexi-leash? Please tell me what it is, because I have never figured it out. They're too unreliable to be any use for the obvious purposes (having a leash of variable length to be adjusted in appropriate situations) and heavy and awkward enough that you might as well carry two ordinary leashes any way . . . I'd LOVE to know what they are actually good for an how one uses one properly, because I am at a loss. You know, I might actually support a ban on flexi-leashes (they are effectively banned in a number of places anyway, actually, because of how the leash law is written, but does anyone pay attention? No.)

 

[JennSLK]

I love my flexi. But then again Jazz is actualy trained BEFORE she got a flexi. Prong colars are abuse, thats why my 2 come running when they hear them jingle. Read sarcasim

 

[Juicy]

I love my flexi. But then again Jazz is actualy trained BEFORE she got a flexi. Prong colars are abuse, thats why my 2 come running when they hear them jingle. Read sarcasim

I'm a proud flexi user. Sue me too.

 

[Juicy]

There's a use for a dang flexi-leash? Please tell me what it is, because I have never figured it out. They're too unreliable to be any use for the obvious purposes (having a leash of variable length to be adjusted in appropriate situations) and heavy and awkward enough that you might as well carry two ordinary leashes any way . . . I'd LOVE to know what they are actually good for an how one uses one properly, because I am at a loss. You know, I might actually support a ban on flexi-leashes (they are effectively banned in a number of places anyway, actually, because of how the leash law is written, but does anyone pay attention? No.)

This leash is not for everyone. Because of the flexible nature of the leash, some dogs feel as though they aren't actually on a leash, and as a result, can be difficult to control. So in these cases it can actually have the opposite effect and give less control than a normal leash.

However if your dog is well trained and behaves well on a leash, you shouldn't have this problem. The flexi-leash will give your dog a lot more freedom, and can extend up to 26 feet. This is great for situations where you want the dog to be able run around and enjoy himself, without taking him off the leash and losing control completely.

When fully extended, it is not a good idea to use it in areas where there are lots of people. A 26 ft leash can be quite a dangerous tripping hazard. However, for a trip to the beach or a walk in a quiet park, this leash is ideal.

 

[Dizzy]

Still happy

 

[Lilavati]

This leash is not for everyone. Because of the flexible nature of the leash, some dogs feel as though they aren't actually on a leash, and as a result, can be difficult to control. So in these cases it can actually have the opposite effect and give less control than a normal leash.

However if your dog is well trained and behaves well on a leash, you shouldn't have this problem. The flexi-leash will give your dog a lot more freedom, and can extend up to 26 feet. This is great for situations where you want the dog to be able run around and enjoy himself, without taking him off the leash and losing control completely.

When fully extended, it is not a good idea to use it in areas where there are lots of people. A 26 ft leash can be quite a dangerous tripping hazard. However, for a trip to the beach or a walk in a quiet park, this leash is ideal.

Hrm . . . I use a 30 or 50 long line for the same purpose, but the flexilead is less bulky, though less comfortable to hold. I just tie the long line around my waist to leave my hands free. But what about the latch popping on the flexi? Even a well trained dog may pull . . .usually exactly in the situation you don't want them to . . .

I was being snarky about there being no use for them . . . I just see so many people who have them as their only lead . . . and have no idea that they aren't well suited for . . . well, most things.

 

[corgipower]

I love flexis for pottying the dogs

For training, I use them occasionally, but only on a dog that's already got some training. I'm not really coordinated enough for the long lines. I do agree that there are way too many dogs completely out of control 26 feet away from their owner and the owner thinks all is fine cuz the dog's on a leash.

But that's just another reason why I prefer control laws instead of leash laws.

 

[Juicy]

Hrm . . . I use a 30 or 50 long line for the same purpose, but the flexilead is less bulky, though less comfortable to hold. I just tie the long line around my waist to leave my hands free. But what about the latch popping on the flexi? Even a well trained dog may pull . . .usually exactly in the situation you don't want them to . . .

I was being snarky about there being no use for them . . . I just see so many people who have them as their only lead . . . and have no idea that they aren't well suited for . . . well, most things.

I had a brand new collar break on me before. Now I test out my stuff before I use them.

I like how my dogs can run infront of me without me having to run at the same pace, not something I can do with a six-foot-long leash.

 

[Bahamutt99]

There's a use for a dang flexi-leash? Please tell me what it is, because I have never figured it out.

They're dope for potty breaks. I don't know about you, but I sure don't mind giving my dogs all the room they need to take a dump. They don't have to be 6 feet away from me. The further, the better. And I know if I used a long-line, they'd step over it and pee on it.

:lol-sign:

 

[elegy]

i find flexi-leashes incredibly uncomfortable to hold. i have one, but i couldn't tell you the last time i used it.

 

[Lilavati]

They're dope for potty breaks. I don't know about you, but I sure don't mind giving my dogs all the room they need to take a dump. They don't have to be 6 feet away from me. The further, the better. And I know if I used a long-line, they'd step over it and pee on it.

:lol-sign:

A long line DOES take a lot of awareness to use correctly. I think my finace has yet to figure it out . . . on the other hand, I don't think I'd want him using a flexi-leash either . . .

 

[Squishy22]

I've got a flexi for reggin. The thing is great. It doesnt tear up my hand like his thick nylon one does. Its great for night walks when there are very few distractions.

 

[2dogmom]

For those that think it can't/won't happen, don't forget about this:
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72604

It's not that far fetched to think that right will be the next one that they strip away from us.

When people keep saying "Yay" and "Thumbs Up" patting these idiots on the back for their new laws....they're fueling the fires. Keep telling them Good Job until we, as dog owners, have no rights. I don't know about the rest of you, but I was born with a brain and can make my own decisions concerning the well being of my dogs. I don't need the govt's input on what is "best" for my dogs.

Ugh. It's infuriating.

/tangent

I stand corrected - if someone can seriously talk about banning crates then it looks like ANYTHING is possible. Holy moly!

 

[sparks19]

Flexi leashes are good for taking Belle and Beezer out to go to the bathroom in the yard because they do not have a fence so they don't have to pee 3 feet from me.. they can sniff and find the "right spot" (whatever THAT is lol)