The Human Mill is at it again...
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God must want them to be motherless then. It's his plan and all. 
Just like if their kid has down syndrome it's just god giving them their forever baby.
Anyways, if this were anyone else the odds of them being able to do this free of the public dole seems pretty slim. Personally, I think it's a bad idea - nothing I can do about it but I highly doubt anything about these two warrants 20 kids to pass on their knowledge of the universe to. Also their program of pairing children up on the buddy system just to keep track is pretty horrid parenting imho-children should not have the responsibility of their parents choices. It also strikes me as cult like that their kids are kept in isolation from other people their own age through college.
My only wish for all of these kids is that they're eventually able to find their own way beyond the scope of TV, politics, and their parents craziness.
As far as saving my outrage for people who truly don't deserve children - I have enough loathing for them all. The biodiversity of this world cannot survive constant expansion - to me our carrying capacity has been met - there are few places left to expand to in our search for energy, our need for a complex food system, and cheap raw resources. We're eating our way down the food chain now in our search for essential elements of diets and trying to feed crappy feed corn to anything we think could eat it so in turn we can eat of that cardboard flesh.
Just like if their kid has down syndrome it's just god giving them their forever baby. Anyways, if this were anyone else the odds of them being able to do this free of the public dole seems pretty slim. Personally, I think it's a bad idea - nothing I can do about it but I highly doubt anything about these two warrants 20 kids to pass on their knowledge of the universe to. Also their program of pairing children up on the buddy system just to keep track is pretty horrid parenting imho-children should not have the responsibility of their parents choices. It also strikes me as cult like that their kids are kept in isolation from other people their own age through college.
My only wish for all of these kids is that they're eventually able to find their own way beyond the scope of TV, politics, and their parents craziness.
As far as saving my outrage for people who truly don't deserve children - I have enough loathing for them all. The biodiversity of this world cannot survive constant expansion - to me our carrying capacity has been met - there are few places left to expand to in our search for energy, our need for a complex food system, and cheap raw resources. We're eating our way down the food chain now in our search for essential elements of diets and trying to feed crappy feed corn to anything we think could eat it so in turn we can eat of that cardboard flesh.
I think it's funny to read this thread after the thread of people bitching about others commenting on how many animals they have....
As long as they are able to financially support them and their needs are met who cares how many kids they have? My husband grew up in a family of 8 kids (20, but a lot by today's standards) and they were all home schooled. He was the second oldest, and his teenage years were not stolen from him doing child care tasks, and he was not unloved and ignored in favor of his siblings.
I wish them the best and pray that she has a healthy pregnancy.
As long as they are able to financially support them and their needs are met who cares how many kids they have? My husband grew up in a family of 8 kids (20, but a lot by today's standards) and they were all home schooled. He was the second oldest, and his teenage years were not stolen from him doing child care tasks, and he was not unloved and ignored in favor of his siblings.
I wish them the best and pray that she has a healthy pregnancy.
I think, Sally, that a better analogy is the dog owner who lets his dog have a litter every time she goes through a heat and catches because it's "natural," and then her puppies have puppies, and so forth and so on.
We really are an overpopulated world. Extremely.
And then there's the whole assigning children to take care of the younger ones. Ummm . . . don't we advocate NOT having more animals than you can take care of?
They were told that another pregnancy could be fatal for her, leaving a house full of young children motherless. How, HOW could a mother who loves her children be willing to risk putting them through that? How could a father? How could a man who loves his wife be willing to do that?
We really are an overpopulated world. Extremely.
And then there's the whole assigning children to take care of the younger ones. Ummm . . . don't we advocate NOT having more animals than you can take care of?
They were told that another pregnancy could be fatal for her, leaving a house full of young children motherless. How, HOW could a mother who loves her children be willing to risk putting them through that? How could a father? How could a man who loves his wife be willing to do that?
Except that she is a human who knows the ramifications of her choices, where as a dog doesn't. My inlaws let nature take its course when they had their kids, hence the 8 children, and I find it a little dehumanizing to compare women that make reproductive choices that go against the current norm to a dog that just keeps having puppies.
The whole point of the other thread was that people need to mind their own business when it comes to the life decisions of others, and I think that applies here as well. Ok, I would not have 20 kids, but I also wouldn't have 10 cats, 32 birds (someone on my bird board has this many), 7 dogs, 10 horses, any snakes, etc.
As far as having kids take care of younger siblings, were you not given jobs as kid? I know I was. In addition of taking care of my room and my horse I was tasked with weeding, dusting, vacuuming the stairs,etc. I would have much rather been taking care of kids, vacuuming 3 flight of stairs sucks. I suppose that I just see helping with younger siblings (in my family it was cousins) as part of living in a family-just something you do. Some families just operate that way.
I don't know the medical details of the pregnancy issue, but on the topic of risk, how much risk is a mother allowed to assume?
On the topic of overpopulation, births rates are actually down. Much of the overpopulation issue is due to the fact that people are living longer-there are just more old people...
The whole point of the other thread was that people need to mind their own business when it comes to the life decisions of others, and I think that applies here as well. Ok, I would not have 20 kids, but I also wouldn't have 10 cats, 32 birds (someone on my bird board has this many), 7 dogs, 10 horses, any snakes, etc.
As far as having kids take care of younger siblings, were you not given jobs as kid? I know I was. In addition of taking care of my room and my horse I was tasked with weeding, dusting, vacuuming the stairs,etc. I would have much rather been taking care of kids, vacuuming 3 flight of stairs sucks. I suppose that I just see helping with younger siblings (in my family it was cousins) as part of living in a family-just something you do. Some families just operate that way.
I don't know the medical details of the pregnancy issue, but on the topic of risk, how much risk is a mother allowed to assume?
On the topic of overpopulation, births rates are actually down. Much of the overpopulation issue is due to the fact that people are living longer-there are just more old people...
Renee, I don't think anyone (here) is denying the world is overpopulated. Only that the problem is resolving itself without anyone forcing people to have fewer children. In fact, the problems of lots and lots of old people and not many young people are making some countries try to up the birth rate a bit so that the decline can be smoother and we don't have old people eating tree bark for lack of young people to feed them.
My main point is this lady can have 20 kids or none . . . its not going to make a difference one way or another . . . and there aren't many like her.
My main point is this lady can have 20 kids or none . . . its not going to make a difference one way or another . . . and there aren't many like her.
Ok, #1 they do not keep their children in isolation at all. They travel a lot more and are probably way more social than even public school educated children *gasp* Not too mention it is better to be able to socialize with people of ALL ages, not just your those your age. Once you get out of school, your life will no longer be segregated by age. You think that you will only work with people in your age bracket? NO, you may 24 years old working with someone who is 50.
#2, their kids don't find it a burden to help with the younger kids. I think this notion that our kids have to have their own rooms, and no responsibilities is the biggest problem in our society today. The kids today don't want to grow up and be responsible members of society, they want to be kids forever and never have the responsibility of working, they want to stay home and play video games and get checks handed to them. Or spend years in college racking up a bunch of debt and then complain because they can't find a job (that suites their wants).
2 of their kids already have their own successful business and they are what 24 and 21, neither have a college education?
The sad thing is that they have 19 kids and their kids are more well behaved and grow up to be much more respectable than 90% of kids raised in a household of 1 or 2 or 3 children.
The NEEDS of people are not different from one country to another. The WANTS are. We think its too expensive to raise very many children because we also provide them all with their own TVs, computers, the latest video games, the newest toys, cell phones, etc, etc... No child NEEDS all that. They provide their children with love, food, shelter, clothes, family, friends, they have medical care, dental care, etc. And they spend WAY more time with their children than a family with 2 working parents.
Do I think just anyone should have 20 children? No. You shouldn't be popping out more and more children on the tax payers dime. But as long as you are paying for your children out of your pocket, than it is no one else's business.
And whoever said they wish cousin Amy was still on the show, she is. She has never been in EVERY episode, but she is still in several of the episodes.
#2, their kids don't find it a burden to help with the younger kids. I think this notion that our kids have to have their own rooms, and no responsibilities is the biggest problem in our society today. The kids today don't want to grow up and be responsible members of society, they want to be kids forever and never have the responsibility of working, they want to stay home and play video games and get checks handed to them. Or spend years in college racking up a bunch of debt and then complain because they can't find a job (that suites their wants).
2 of their kids already have their own successful business and they are what 24 and 21, neither have a college education?
The sad thing is that they have 19 kids and their kids are more well behaved and grow up to be much more respectable than 90% of kids raised in a household of 1 or 2 or 3 children.
The NEEDS of people are not different from one country to another. The WANTS are. We think its too expensive to raise very many children because we also provide them all with their own TVs, computers, the latest video games, the newest toys, cell phones, etc, etc... No child NEEDS all that. They provide their children with love, food, shelter, clothes, family, friends, they have medical care, dental care, etc. And they spend WAY more time with their children than a family with 2 working parents.
Do I think just anyone should have 20 children? No. You shouldn't be popping out more and more children on the tax payers dime. But as long as you are paying for your children out of your pocket, than it is no one else's business.
And whoever said they wish cousin Amy was still on the show, she is. She has never been in EVERY episode, but she is still in several of the episodes.
You folks really believe that all you see on the televison of their family is the way they really feel? That all of them is happy as can be living in a family with 19 children! When the mother finally have the twenty child, 19th Josie is just going to be past to the older girls. Thats their life, taking care of their mother's children. Yeah, to each their own, she can have as many children that she wants. I just can't help feeling bad for the kids.
I'm the fourth child of five. When my older brothers and sister went on to live their lives, I honestly thought I was going to be at least depress, but I wasn't. It was more of a relief than anything else. Not that I didn't like them, I enjoy it when they visit. Just that with just me and my little sister, I feel more free and in control of things, being one of the youngest, I was never in control of anything. Not to mention my bond with my parents are stronger than ever. I was never able to have alone time( living in apartment), no moment where it was just me. It is like a breather. When the mother was making the announcment, most of the kids did not look particularly happy. The smiles seemed very fake.
I'm just waiting for one of them to come out with a tell-all book.
I'm the fourth child of five. When my older brothers and sister went on to live their lives, I honestly thought I was going to be at least depress, but I wasn't. It was more of a relief than anything else. Not that I didn't like them, I enjoy it when they visit. Just that with just me and my little sister, I feel more free and in control of things, being one of the youngest, I was never in control of anything. Not to mention my bond with my parents are stronger than ever. I was never able to have alone time( living in apartment), no moment where it was just me. It is like a breather. When the mother was making the announcment, most of the kids did not look particularly happy. The smiles seemed very fake.
I'm just waiting for one of them to come out with a tell-all book.
Agreed. And yes, it is funny in contrast with that other thread.
But then again there are frequently threads that are funny and ironic in contrast with each other on this board, LOL.
As Lilavati said, we might see it as odd, but people are allowed to be odd. There are most assuredly people who think each and every one of us on this forum is odd for one reason or another, LOL. But I highly doubt anybody is going to change how they live their lives just because another person who has zero affect on your life thinks "that's odd."
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The funny thing is, if this were a show about somebody with 20 dogs, the majority here would be defending their choice to have as many dogs as they want. That's Sally's point.
But then again there are frequently threads that are funny and ironic in contrast with each other on this board, LOL.
As Lilavati said, we might see it as odd, but people are allowed to be odd. There are most assuredly people who think each and every one of us on this forum is odd for one reason or another, LOL. But I highly doubt anybody is going to change how they live their lives just because another person who has zero affect on your life thinks "that's odd."
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The funny thing is, if this were a show about somebody with 20 dogs, the majority here would be defending their choice to have as many dogs as they want. That's Sally's point.
You can't compare doing chores to taking care of babies and children. May I ask, SillySally, were you taking care of your cousins for years and years, or was it just an every now and then thing? Josie is just going to be past to one of the older girls, just like the one before, and the one before that one, and the one before that, and the one before.... Continue on and on! I can finish my chores. You can't stop taking care of babies and children.