puppy genders

[Aleron]

Yes you can absolutely tell! :yikes:


As for the ethical issue of buying one of the these puppies, that's something only you can decide. Many people object to ever supporting any pet breeding of any sort but especially mixed breed litters. And yes there are small mixes available in rescues. To be fair, $160 isn't all that much to pay for a dog from any source. I doubt she'll have a hard time selling them either way, as small breed mixes are extremely popular these days.

 

[KayleeBby]

She rang me this afternoon to say that they will have their first vaccinations, vet check and be microchipped and she is now charging $50. (she then told me too stop interfering and not to try to turn her husband against her *rolls eyes*)

Her son is taking the father to be desexed next week and then he is keeping him.

And I understand not supporting a BYB, but really guys, it is my decision.
We don't have any local shelters, the closest is over 3 hours away and if they are sent to the local pound they will be put down.

Also, this isn't "OMG! I want another puppy!" This is the puppy I was meant to get instead of even thinking about getting Taj..

Taj already knows all the basics except "stay" and even Sophie is doing well with her "no going down the stairs alone" training.

and by the time the puppy actually gets here, I will be able too handle it.

 

[puppydog]

Oi vey!

Yes, it is your decision, and we don't have to ooh and ah over it!

I also seriously doubt that she has suddenly decided to drop the price just like that. I think that is you trying to make what you are doing OK.

 

[JessLough]

IMO, you have no right to tell her to stop. She had a litter, you took a puppy. She plans another litter, you turn around and say "oh yes! I will take another one!" Then you try and say that you disagree with her? You obviously do not disagree too much, you keep supporting her.

 

[KayleeBby]

I never got a puppy from the first litter..

 

[MisssAshby]

I just have to ask....

What is the want with a mixed breed - esp. a BF and JRT?

 

[JessLough]

Ok, I thought I read previously (in the thread) that you grabbed the pup that you have now from the last litter...

 

[Hillside]

Honestly, getting this puppy when you already have a young puppy and a dog with other issues, is a big NO-NO in my book. Even if this puppy was from a stellar breeder who knew how to sex puppies...I wouldn't do it. I would never have puppies that close in age and I was a TRAINER.

 

[Upendi&Mina]

Your puppy is only two months old if the birthdate in your sig is right, I'm sorry but there is no way he knows all the basics.

I would hold off on another puppy honestly and I definitely wouldn't support this woman. :/

 

[Aleron]

Your puppy is only two months old if the birthdate in your sig is right, I'm sorry but there is no way he knows all the basics.

I didn't notice this. Definitely do not attempt to raise two puppies together. There are actually behavioral issues associated with raising two puppies together, so much so that trainer's have a name for it - "Littermate Syndrome". And they don't have to be littermates or even the same breed, just close in age puppies. And puppies that are only 4-6 months apart are absolutely close in age. Unless you do everything separately (separate crating, playtime, socialization, training, classes) until both puppies are over a year old, they will likely develop at least some behavioral symptoms of Littermate Syndrome. These behavioral symptoms include - one puppy becomes increasingly shy/reserved/reactive while the other becomes increasingly bold/aggressive, lack of interest in interacting with humans, training difficulties, over-attachment to each other and fighting after maturity. Properly raising close in age puppies is extremely hard and even if you do everything right, the puppies are still only getting half as much training and socialization as they would have if you only had one puppy.

It is easy to get excited about getting a puppy without considering the difficult and time consuming aspects that go along with properly raising a puppy. It is unfair to your current puppy to consider taking another puppy this soon. And it's unfair to the other puppy too. Puppies deserve to be the center of your attention for the first year of their life and really, they need to be in order to mature into well behaved, happy adults. You made a choice to take your current puppy, even though he wasn't exactly what you wanted. Now you need to do what's best for him, which is not likely going to be adding another puppy (the one that you "really wanted") when he is just a few months old.

These articles outline the issues associated with raising two puppies together, as well as info as to how to properly do so:

problems of buying and rearing Two Puppies from same litter

Raising Siblings

02 Littermate Syndrome | Dog Star Daily

 

[mrose_s]

I think its been pretty well covered but.


- This woman has no right breeding dogs.
- I don't suggest taking on a pup from her, if you want to take a chance on a puppy rescue one.
- If she can't even sex a puppy... hope like hell she understands the importance of early socialisation.
- I don't suggest taking on two puppies at once. Its bloody hard work raising one, particularily once they hit 8-12months old and start questioning everything you say.

 

[MafiaPrincess]

There are people who have raised littermates on here problem free, but they are people with more experience than I have. It's not something I'd care to do nor is raising two puppies close in age together. I have a hard enough time finding separate training time for my dogs that are years in age apart.

Your puppy is only two months old if the birthdate in your sig is right, I'm sorry but there is no way he knows all the basics.

I would hold off on another puppy honestly and I definitely wouldn't support this woman. :/

I'd agree your puppy doesn't know the basics yet.

I managed to figured out the gender of Dekka's planned, titled, health tested JRT litter as we were rubbing the puppies back to life post c-section in the vet clinic, and I don't breed and had never seen newborn puppies before.

I doubt the price was dropped to $50 bucks. Though I'm sure she likely would prefer if you quit causing her grief. You are making excuses to support skeaze. You admit you know better but you planned on a poorly bred mix from this lady a year or more ago? This isn't the forum for you potentially. People have strong opinions on backyard breeders and those who support them who know better.

Many people come here not knowing better and learn. You already know better and just don't care. Most people here won't roll over, stroke your ego and tell you your puppy is cute anyhow. Wrong community.

 

[Lizmo]

And I understand not supporting a BYB, but really guys, it is my decision.
We don't have any local shelters, the closest is over 3 hours away and if they are sent to the local pound they will be put down.

Your exactly right. It is your decision.

But don't lie to yourself and say you aren't supporting a BYB. You know what a good breeder looks like (if not, GO READ STICKIES, start a new thread even) yet you knowingly choose to support a BYB.

That doesn't get you very far with many chazzers.

 

[Xandra]

Well, if the woman had one litter, the OP said she shouldn't breed her dogs, the woman said "one more and I'm fixing them" and the OP said "OK I'll get one from your last litter," then I don't think she is having much of a negative impact.

Could she get a mix from a rescue, yeah I guess, but if she really is out in the boonies then it might be pretty difficult. For instance, in my area (a city) I would be hard pressed to find a small-breed puppy in a shelter and if I did, a "toy size" (probably just means small) puppy would cost $500 and a normal mixed puppy would cost $400 (that's from the city shelter). If I was up country, I would probably end up waiting months or years for a small breed puppy in a shelter.

That doesn't mean I think this is a good idea, I don't. I don't think it's a good idea to have two puppies at the same time, I think the mix sounds bizarre, and I would rather get a more predictable mix transported from out of area.

I know it's probably hard to back out now, but if you can, OP, I'd recommend it just on a practical basis.

 

[PitBullLove]

She can't tell the sex of them? Well now that's scary. You can tell the minute they are born. I wouldn't suggest getting a puppy from her, but that's been stated many times above.

 

[AliciaD]

Here's what may happen if you don't take a puppy...

A) You don't take a puppy. Another person easily steps in and takes the puppy, mostly due to the cuteness factor, and with little planning, but hey. That happens. But so long as we can even just DECREASE the number, that is a start. If you don't get this puppy, there may be room in your heart and life for a dog truly in need, who wasn't bred for commodity's sake.

B) You don't get this puppy, and no other buyer steps forward. She keeps the dog. She may breed it, or she may neuter it, but either way the rejection and being forced to keep the dog may give her the kick in the @$$ to realize that there is a shortage of homes. If she breeds it, a harder kick in the @$$ will come when she can no longer afford, or find homes for what she has done.

C) You don't get a puppy, and no other buyer comes forward. She decides not to keep it and brings it to a shelter. There, you can pray some good, kind person will give it a forever home. She may get some well earned strife from the shelter workers, she may be told that there is an overflow and the puppy will be put to sleep. The puppy deserves none of this, but it was put upon it by her irresponsibility.

I don't know where you live, but in the US, only 19% of 77.5 million pet dogs were adopted from shelters. Roughly 3-4 million dogs and cats are put to sleep each year in shelters.

Bottom line: For every puppy this woman breeds, there is one less family who is going to rescue a shelter dog or go to a responsible breeder.

And if you are going to talk the talk, walk the walk too. I'm a vegan and my uncle is a butcher, I don't buy his meat because he's giving me a great deal on it, or because I'm entitled to it from before I went vegan. That would be weird, right? Hypocritical. If you are against animal suffering and over-population, why turn around and fund it?

I hope this didn't sound too harsh, I meant for it be more informational than angry.

-Alicia

 

[oakash]

Here's what may happen if you don't take a puppy...

A) You don't take a puppy. Another person easily steps in and takes the puppy, mostly due to the cuteness factor, and with little planning, but hey. That happens. But so long as we can even just DECREASE the number, that is a start. If you don't get this puppy, there may be room in your heart and life for a dog truly in need, who wasn't bred for commodity's sake.

B) You don't get this puppy, and no other buyer steps forward. She keeps the dog. She may breed it, or she may neuter it, but either way the rejection and being forced to keep the dog may give her the kick in the @$$ to realize that there is a shortage of homes. If she breeds it, a harder kick in the @$$ will come when she can no longer afford, or find homes for what she has done.

C) You don't get a puppy, and no other buyer comes forward. She decides not to keep it and brings it to a shelter. There, you can pray some good, kind person will give it a forever home. She may get some well earned strife from the shelter workers, she may be told that there is an overflow and the puppy will be put to sleep. The puppy deserves none of this, but it was put upon it by her irresponsibility.

I don't know where you live, but in the US, only 19% of 77.5 million pet dogs were adopted from shelters. Roughly 3-4 million dogs and cats are put to sleep each year in shelters.

Bottom line: For every puppy this woman breeds, there is one less family who is going to rescue a shelter dog or go to a responsible breeder.

And if you are going to talk the talk, walk the walk too. I'm a vegan and my uncle is a butcher, I don't buy his meat because he's giving me a great deal on it, or because I'm entitled to it from before I went vegan. That would be weird, right? Hypocritical. If you are against animal suffering and over-population, why turn around and fund it?

I hope this didn't sound too harsh, I meant for it be more informational than angry.

-Alicia

I agree with this post. So far, I think people have been very nice to you.

Just because you are semi-related to her doesn't make you obligated to take on the puppy. I understand that it is completely your choice, but try and think about it like this:

If you actually give this person money, its just enabling her to feel like she can have a repeat. Even if its not the same dogs, she might feel that if she can sell the pups for money, its worth it.

Even if there isn't a shelter nearby you, and you feel that you HAVE to have another dog right now, I'd suggest going to the closest one, and just looking at all the dogs. More then likely, you'll find one that stands out to you, if only one.

If you can get the puppy for free, I still think its risky with another puppy. Once they hit the teens, they 'forget' everything you taught them, and you aren't going to want to have two dogs that won't listen to a word you say at once.

 

[Saeleofu]

Your puppy is only two months old if the birthdate in your sig is right, I'm sorry but there is no way he knows all the basics.

If the date is right, you should only have had the puppy for a few days. No way the dogs knows all the basics.

Obviously you don't care what we have to say, so it's kind of pointless to say anything at all, but there's no way in hell I'd get a pup from that litter. It's very easy to tell sex. Obviously she knows absolutely nothing about dogs. You say they're well-fed - but what are they fed? Dog chow? :wall:

Also if you didn't want the puppy you currently have, then WHY did you get him????

 

[Saeleofu]

Could she get a mix from a rescue, yeah I guess, but if she really is out in the boonies then it might be pretty difficult. For instance, in my area (a city) I would be hard pressed to find a small-breed puppy in a shelter and if I did, a "toy size" (probably just means small) puppy would cost $500 and a normal mixed puppy would cost $400 (that's from the city shelter). If I was up country, I would probably end up waiting months or years for a small breed puppy in a shelter.

RD already offered to ship a pup...

 

[Dizzy]

B

RD already offered to ship a pup...

From Mexico to Australia? I think it was tongue in cheek....