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Actually Coop, Constantine might not have even gotten around to having the Book assembled but that he was extremely concerned with instilling some discipline into the unruly masses.
 

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I think in order to communicate effectively with anyone, animals included, you both need to be on the same page. Religion is something humans trumped up. Dogs have no clue about it. So, why would hitting a dog be meaningful to a dog just because YOU think hitting a dog is Christ-like?

This is crazy, nutty. People who beat up on dogs for any reason, religion included are fruit cakes and know nothing about dogs and their nature....don't care to know and have no respect. Sick!
 

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Please though, do not assume that there aren't people on this board who haven't studied and/or aren't fully aware of what Is Written.

I apologize if I came across as assuming that you didn't know the entire text of that passage. I was really just talking about how wrongly that was being used by the poster who quoted it. From the way s/he tried to use that verse it seemed obvious that s/he had no idea what it was saying.
 
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Copiuos - good thought, to put those quotes back into context, which shows them to mean something entirely different than what the OP subverted them to in order to suit his purposes ;)

Actually Coop, Constantine might not have even gotten around to having the Book assembled but that he was extremely concerned with instilling some discipline into the unruly masses.
Oh, and don't forget about good ol' King by Divine Right James . . . .
 

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From the way s/he tried to use that verse it seemed obvious that s/he had no idea what it was saying.
Ah but this has been happening since the day the first Book was handwritten in script. And it will go on into infinity. Because the truth of the matter is, wherever man has license, the Word will be fluid...and God Knows, scuse the pun, that plenty of men (the generic for mankind) have taken plenty of license...
 

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See, the OT is very useful to hypocrites and modern-day pharisees. Like Renee says, it's the book they can follow while expecting others to live by the NT. Take David for example. As the buzz phrase always goes, "...but God loved him". Now David was a terrible father, an adulterer, and he even had his mistress's husband killed deliberately. And so, he is the perfect Tool for hypocrites to use. I mean what's left after what David did, right? "An eye for an eye" is always handy too. How else can you crusade against abortion and for capital punishment all in the same breath? However, phrases like, "If a man has no coat and you have two, give him one of yours" has been removed somewhere along the line. I have been seriously thinking of publishing a New Improved Bible with a three ring binder setup. In this way, we can all remove passages that interfere with our own lives and then put them back in when noticing the logs in everyone else's eyes. I have also been considering the seven deadly sins. They seem to have been modified to Five Deadly Sins, dependent on which sin YOU have. For example, would it be fair to say that Jerry Falwell was guilty of gluttony? And that Pat Roberston, when he steps over those empoverished bodies to go check out his diamond mines in Africa, must be guilty of greed? Apparently all of these sins are not deadly at all! No, only five of them are deadly. And you get to pick which five!

...tongue in cheek of course...I think...
 

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Actually Coop, Constantine might not have even gotten around to having the Book assembled but that he was extremely concerned with instilling some discipline into the unruly masses.
Yep, it was 'formulated' for someone elses purpose at the time. I DO believe in a higher power, and I feel if you can follow the 10 commandments (good rules to live by no matter your beliefs) then you will be ok either way.
 

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I feel if you can follow the 10 commandments (good rules to live by no matter your beliefs) then you will be ok either way.
Rut roh! There's gonna be a lot of elbow room in heaven then. And many of the missing will be christian (small c) "leaders".
 

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Hahahahahhaha........you are right there TM! But the bible DOES say the path is narrow, if it were wide anyone could do it :D

I am guilty of breaking a couple of the 10 myself, but I do try to be good ;)
 

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I dunno, following the 10 and not worrying about everything else kinds of discounts the entire NT. And after all, isn't the NT what separates Christians from Non-Christians?
 

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Oh, speaking of the Ten Commandments. I always find it kind of odd how people fight to have them on display carved in stone. I mean basically that would be fighting to display a graven image that warns against graven images.

I kind of think when we all have the final Conversation and the Man points out what was important, these symbolic things aren't going to be high on His list. But I could be wrong.
 

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Puckstop is gonna beat me uuuuuuuuppppppppp! But I love him anyways. You know why? Because he MEANS it when he says he strives.
 

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as many as i love, i rebuke and chasten. therefore be zealous and repent.
Rebuking and chastening does not equal "beating the crap out of." Here's a quote for you . . . "He who lives by the sword dies by the sword."

mathew 7:6

do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
Do you even understand what this passage means? It means "Don't preach the gospel to the gentiles (the dogs and pigs) because they will scorn and misunderstand the holy word of God (the pearls)." It has nothing to do with real dogs or pigs!

It's also considered by Biblical scholars to have been added by someone else, ie, not actually said by Jesus, because in a bunch of the other parts of the New Testaments he's all about preaching to the Gentiles. The Roman centurian (a gentile) is one of the first ones to recognize Jesus as the son of God ("Surely this was the son of God"), etc.

In Biblical times they had a low view of dogs (they were one of the "unclean" animals), so if you are really following the Bible literally, you shouldn't have a dog.

But then again, if you're taking the Bible literally, bats are a kind of bird. :rolleyes:
 

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I dunno, following the 10 and not worrying about everything else kinds of discounts the entire NT. And after all, isn't the NT what separates Christians from Non-Christians?
Not at all..........Jesus himself said this

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.â€

And by "law or Prophets", he is talking about the old testement. That is from Matthew as well.
 

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Well yeah but then there's all the rest....
Well his whole purpose for the visit was to save us from ourselves.

He didn't change the original rules, he only wanted us to be good to one another and LOVE more freely. To be our lamb sacrafice so we no longer had to go through the butchering of the lamb to ask forgiveness when we screwed up. Just ask in his name and that was good enough, as long as you TRULY mean it and WANT forgiveness.........or so it goes :) Asking today, and repeating the screw up tonight really doesn't constitute sincerety to me, LOL
 

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Boemy! The woman Knows! Gotta watch those quiet ones....
Twelve years of Catholic schooling comes in handy at last! :D



..and epileptics are possessed with evil spirits.[/QUOTE]

ACooper said:
Not at all..........Jesus himself said this

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.â€

And by "law or Prophets", he is talking about the old testement. That is from Matthew as well.
Yeah, but Matthew was trying to appeal to the Jews in his gospel so of course he emphasized the Jewish law. There are tons of places where Jesus is actively breaking the Old Testament laws.

- He heals people on the Sabbath (which was breaking one of the Ten Commandments, even.)
- He and his disciples eat without washing their hands in the prescribed manner.
- He stops the men from stoning the adulterous woman to death, which was what Moses' law said to do with adulterous women.
- He says not to take an eye for an eye, which was also an Old Testament law.


The Old Testament, especially Exodus and Leviticus, are full of rules that everyone ignores today because . . . well, frankly because they're really, really stupid and a lot of them are barbaric.

Exodus 21:20 - 21:21 said:
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.
Does that sound like a rule Jesus would approve of or want to preserve? "It's okay to beat someone to death as long as they survive for a day or two?"

Leviticus 19:19 said:
"Keep my statutes: do not breed any of your domestic animals with others of a different species; do not sow a field of yours with two different kinds of seed; and do not put on a garment woven with two different kinds of thread.
If this is true, then people who breed mules (donkeys + horse) and anyone wearing a shirt made of cotton + polyester is a sinner.

Deutronomy 22:5 said:
"A woman shall not wear an article proper to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's dress; for anyone who does such things is an abomination to the LORD, your God.
Despite this, I will persist in wearing jeans. :D

Deutronomy 23:2 said:
"No one whose testicles have been crushed or whose penis has been cut off may be admitted into the community of the LORD."
The Bible: written by men. :rolleyes:

If only they'd had neuticles back then. :D
 
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Well his whole purpose for the visit was to save us from ourselves.

He didn't change the original rules, he only wanted us to be good to one another and LOVE more freely. To be our lamb sacrafice so we no longer had to go through the butchering of the lamb to ask forgiveness when we screwed up. Just ask in his name and that was good enough, as long as you TRULY mean it and WANT forgiveness.........or so it goes :) Asking today, and repeating the screw up tonight really doesn't constitute sincerety to me, LOL
Ya know, Coop . . . . that's kinda sounding like maybe Jesus was a forerunner of animal rights activists ;)

BOEMY! Neuticles . . . . LMFAO ~
 

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