Politics, Religion and Dog Training
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As I have said in my other thread I am not a religious person. I have met more hypocrites that claim to be religious then I ever have in the atheist sector. They claim to be Christian as they hit their animals or lock them outside in bad conditions and are judgmental telling us we are going to hell for something we did or did not do. Organized religion like politics is based on money, greed , power and lies. Now bring the bible into dog training jeez what a crock.
I regret missing the crazy religious debate on the other thread. I was raised Catholic and am currently a theist a quarter of the time, an atheist a quarter of the time, and an agnostic half the time. 
I'm amazed that people would use the Old Testament as a basis for dog training . . . It never occurred to me anyone would do that. In the Bible dogs are always being associated with thieves, murderers, and scavengers anyway, so I don't know why you would even have a dog if you were going for a 100% literal reading.
But, of course, the fact is that you can't literally follow every part of the Bible because some parts contradict one another. For example:
VERSUS:
In this instance it's impossible to follow both the Old Testament and Jesus. So who is a Christian to follow? Personally, I would go with Jesus every time.
I'm amazed that people would use the Old Testament as a basis for dog training . . . It never occurred to me anyone would do that. In the Bible dogs are always being associated with thieves, murderers, and scavengers anyway, so I don't know why you would even have a dog if you were going for a 100% literal reading.But, of course, the fact is that you can't literally follow every part of the Bible because some parts contradict one another. For example:
VERSUS:
In this instance it's impossible to follow both the Old Testament and Jesus. So who is a Christian to follow? Personally, I would go with Jesus every time.
Boemy, that contradiction is what we were trying to get them to address. They claim to be Christians, so the New Testament teachings should prevail, but they like to go by Old Testament rules instead when it suits what they want. In that case Matthew should supercede.
I was really disappointed they didn't come to this thread. I was really enjoying the debate, crazy though it was. A religious basis for dog training, who knew.
I was really disappointed they didn't come to this thread. I was really enjoying the debate, crazy though it was. A religious basis for dog training, who knew.
Honestly, if you believe in Christ and want to follow his word he should be apart of ALL you do. Whether it's dealing with children, dogs, neighbors, coworkers, strangers,........everything.
I too find it very odd when people use the bible........ANY part of the bible, to justify what they are doing. They only want it LITERAL when it suits them. I tried "religion" and didn't care for the politics that went on. But I DO believe in God and think the new test is filled with just plain old good rules to live by whether you believe in the hereafter or not
I too find it very odd when people use the bible........ANY part of the bible, to justify what they are doing. They only want it LITERAL when it suits them. I tried "religion" and didn't care for the politics that went on. But I DO believe in God and think the new test is filled with just plain old good rules to live by whether you believe in the hereafter or not
Oh, didn't you know how it works? Dr7?
Old Testament applies to how they treat everything and everyone else; New Testament applies to how they are handled.
Old Testament applies to how they treat everything and everyone else; New Testament applies to how they are handled.
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Hebrews 12:5-7
and you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:
"my son do not despise the chastening of the lord nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by him. for whom the lord loves he chastens and scourges every son whom he recieves."
if you endure chastening, god deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
Hebrews 12:11
now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yeilds the peaceable fruit of rightousness to those who have been trained by it.
revalations 2:27-28
he shall rule them with a rod of iron; they shall be dashed to pieces like the potter's vessels' as i also have recieved from my father. and i will give him the morning star.
revalations 3:19
as many as i love, i rebuke and chasten. therefore be zealous and repent.
mathew 7:6
do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
and you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:
"my son do not despise the chastening of the lord nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by him. for whom the lord loves he chastens and scourges every son whom he recieves."
if you endure chastening, god deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
Hebrews 12:11
now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yeilds the peaceable fruit of rightousness to those who have been trained by it.
revalations 2:27-28
he shall rule them with a rod of iron; they shall be dashed to pieces like the potter's vessels' as i also have recieved from my father. and i will give him the morning star.
revalations 3:19
as many as i love, i rebuke and chasten. therefore be zealous and repent.
mathew 7:6
do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
Let's face it, Aus; in the patriarchal theocracy the Bible was written to bolster, women and dogs fare about the same One of the few women in the Bible who didn't come to a bad end was that idiot, Ruth. Any woman with any character wound up stoned or thrown off a tower and eaten by dogs or some other such wishful bushwa.
One of the few women in the Bible who didn't come to a bad end was that idiot, Ruth. Any woman with any character wound up stoned or thrown off a tower and eaten by dogs or some other such wishful bushwa.
I doubt that the people who call the ASPCA, or the ASPCA will care if you say "The bible says its alright to beat your dog with a rod." I also highly doubt that if you beat your children and say "the bible said so" social services will care.
We are living in 2007, and not 2000 years ago where women were stoned because they didn't have a child, or dogs were evil.
Then why do you own a dog?
We are living in 2007, and not 2000 years ago where women were stoned because they didn't have a child, or dogs were evil.
Then why do you own a dog?
I think that you're missing too much of Matthew 7. Our direction in that passage is not to beat our dogs for fear of them ripping our faces off. We are told not to try to force our religion on others. Let's read the entire text of Matthew 7 because it's actually quite beautiful.
Matthew 7:
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
7"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.
9"Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
A Tree and Its Fruit
15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
24"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."
28When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, 29because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.
That's actually one of my favorite passages.
Matthew 7:
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
7"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.
9"Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
A Tree and Its Fruit
15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
24"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."
28When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, 29because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.
That's actually one of my favorite passages.
Oh you are SO right!
It was arranged, picked over, and put together by a group of men MANY, MANY years after Jesus & his disciples weren't around. And they absolutely put in what suited their agenda, and left out what didn't
And Purdue, quoting Revalations really doesn't mean a whole lot, it was a dream/vision..........NOT the words of Jesus passed on by his disciples.
It was arranged, picked over, and put together by a group of men MANY, MANY years after Jesus & his disciples weren't around. And they absolutely put in what suited their agenda, and left out what didn't
And Purdue, quoting Revalations really doesn't mean a whole lot, it was a dream/vision..........NOT the words of Jesus passed on by his disciples.