Opening a can of worms, sorry

[Tahla9999]

Okay, something I've notice that has been bothering me for awhile. Hate to open up another controversial subject about Chaz, but I keep waiting for anyone to take notice and say something, but none has said anything.

How come someone who has admittedly participated in dog fights is not in any way confronted? I mean, I couldn't be the only one who notice this because I'm more of a lurker than anything else, and many people here are very sharp. You guys can catch on to anything, seriously, and I can't believe no one catch on to this one.

It seems to me like no one wants to say anything because this member here is very respected and don't want to cause a stir. More respected than FoxyWench probably was, since people caught on to her and confronted her about it. More respected than that newby who asked a question about who is the better protection dog and was jumped for it. I guess accidental breedings and so-called-ignorant questions are worse than someone who participated in dog fights. As long as your very respected, than nobody says a word.

Why am I pointing this out? Well really I can't believe that Chaz is a place where dog fighting is tolerated. The fact that no one says anything gives me this impression though. And the impression that as long as your a big shot member, nothing you do, even if it is against animals, will get you in trouble.

Oh, and the person I'm talking about is Pops2. Hate to throw out a name, but the way he talks about dog fighting, it doesn't seem like he is at all ashamed by this.

 

[AGonzalez]

It seems to me like no one wants to say anything because this member here is very respected and don't want to cause a stir.

I seriously doubt that's the case, whatsoever. The difference is, while he might post something ignorant as hell in a thread, how often do you see him posting his own threads and being ignorant like some of the other people who get "flamed"?

You don't, and I don't think I've ever read anything that says he has personally been a dog-fighter and supports the practice? Care to link this?

 

[joce]

fighting amongst themselves or in a ring?

 

[Tahla9999]

fighting amongst themselves or in a ring?

In a ring.

 

[Renee750il]

Knowing the history of dog fighting and participating are two different things, as is being an active participant in the present.

That said, I've not seen Pops say anything that would lead me to the assumption that he is a dog fighter.

One of the most knowledgeable people on this board when it comes to pit bulls and their history -- including dog fighting -- is Miakoda, but there's no assumption that she is or ever was a dog fighter.

Something that responsible APBT owners want to see is FULL disclosure about the heritage of our dogs, including ALL the history. Our dogs' heritage does include matches, and that is important because it has great bearing on the temperament of the APBT that we own and love today.

 

[CaliTerp07]

I've never noticed anyone who was involved in dog fighting? Maybe I've missed stuff.

 

[Tahla9999]

Knowing the history of dog fighting and participating are two different things, as is being an active participant in the present.

That said, I've not seen Pops say anything that would lead me to the assumption that he is a dog fighter.

One of the most knowledgeable people on this board when it comes to pit bulls and their history -- including dog fighting -- is Miakoda, but there's no assumption that she is or ever was a dog fighter.

Something that responsible APBT owners want to see is FULL disclosure about the heritage of our dogs, including ALL the history. Our dogs' heritage does include matches, and that is important because it has great bearing on the temperament of the APBT that we own and love today.

So I guess it is that people do not see it. Yes, knowing and understanding the history of dog fighting is one, participating is another. I seriously can not believe that no one knows.

He said it himself. More than once that he has condition dogs for a match and been to matches. Not just APBTs either. In the ''what rare breed did you meet'' he even said he saw Tosa Inu matches in Japan.

 

[AGonzalez]

Truth be told, I didn't even open that thread. Nor do I make it a habit to read his posts because frequently, they are irritating and full of incorrect information, as a lot of other members point out. He's not this respected guru above the law, just most people ignore him, that's probably why nobody noticed...or like me, they think it's probably BS.

 

[Renee750il]

I can't say that I've noticed where he's said he's been to matches other than seeing the Tosas in Japan, but I haven't been using a fine toothed comb to go over each and every post by each and every member.

 

[HayleyMarie]

hmm.. I have never noticed him saying anything about dog fighting. I have seen his saying hog hunting though. I looked through the "what rare dogs have you met" thread and I dont see anything about his stating he fights his dogs together in a ring to condition them. Can you point it out? Because all I see is hog hunting.

 

[Tahla9999]

Truth be told, I didn't even open that thread. Nor do I make it a habit to read his posts because frequently, they are irritating and full of incorrect information, as a lot of other members point out. He's not this respected guru above the law, just most people ignore him, that's probably why nobody noticed...or like me, they think it's probably BS.

That is probably it, but I don't ignore people's post. I love to read other people point of views, and Pops2 has helped many people, that I can't deny. I guess it is possible to just miss it, but I've seen it so many times I couldn't believe not one other person has not seen it.

 

[elegy]

i've noticed it too.

http://www.chazhound.com/forums/t116715-6/

first i'm going to cover one or two mistakes on the pit dogs (i think i am the only person here that has actually trained, handled & attended matches).

 

[Tahla9999]

Rare breed dogs did you see

tosa inu- matches in Japan, not really rare in that settin

first i'm going to cover one or two mistakes on the pit dogs (i think i am the only person here that has actually trained, handled & attended matches).
1. THEY WERE NOT bred to kill other animals & especially not dogs. They WERE bred to NOT QUIT A FIGHT (which is also the definition of gameness and so cannot HONESTLY be tested any other way and only a few animals will fight long & hard like two game dogs). This gameness comes from a high level of intelligence (enough to foresee outlasting the other dog to win) and so they can be trained to other activities. The gameness, intelligence & athleticism allowed the pit bulldogs to excell in other venues like the rat & badger pits and in modern hog catching & weight pull.
2. DA & gameness are not directly related (although they are often associated), there were infact plenty of old gamedogs that were ice cold until you dropped them in the box. now since the pitbulldogs came from mixing game terriers & game bulldogs that were used to fight OTHER animals (sometimes in groups) a lot of the resulting dogs were cold and in order to reduce litter waste (nonworking dogs from a working litter) game dogs w/ a higher willingness to engage were bred from and as a side effect a higher level of DA developed in the breed (s). also when dogs other than the bull & terriers were used in the box they tended to be both game & DA (for example a few boxers here in between WWI & WWII and a retreiver in britain in the 1880s had good records & were bred from). chalking it up to "training or how they're raised" is BS, it is firmly planted in the genes. it is common in ALL breeds developed specifically for dog fighting shar pei, akita (yes i know about the bear hunting but for the last century for every hunting akita there were 5 fighters), tosa, gull terr, bully kutta, presa canario and every line/breed of bull & terrier all have higher levels DA than other types of dogs, including some that routinely fight strange or wandering dogs like LGDs & curs.

Here are two examples.

And yes, I do take the time to read everyone post, you learn quite a lot that way.

 

[HayleyMarie]

ok. Thanks for pointing that out to me. I dont look through post with a fine tooth combed like you. Dont have the patience.

I dont really know what to say. Does he still do this or was this a pased wrong that he does not do anymore.

 

[Taqroy]

I have to admit that I never noticed either. I usually read every post - in the threads I open. How else would I catch all the drama? :lol-sign:

Seriously though, I have a very hard time reading Pops2 posts because they are formatted weird and they have grammatical errors and a lot of the time I feel like I have to decode them to understand what he's talking about. All of which is probably why I never noticed.

 

[-bogart-]

um how old is Pops2? First poped in my mind , cause it was legal till something like 1982 in louisiana. i know some older folk who view it as alright still cause it is how they was raised. i dont and never will condone it, but it is a recent cultural change.

and that is all i am going to say other than i never got the dogfighter vibe from him and hope he is not run off.

 

[HayleyMarie]

I have to admit that I never noticed either. I usually read every post - in the threads I open. How else would I catch all the drama? :lol-sign:

Seriously though, I have a very hard time reading Pops2 posts because they are formatted weird and they have grammatical errors and a lot of the time I feel like I have to decode them to understand what he's talking about. All of which is probably why I never noticed.

Same here. I just skim through his posts most of the time.

 

[xpaeanx]

Seriously though, I have a very hard time reading Pops2 posts because they are formatted weird and they have grammatical errors and a lot of the time I feel like I have to decode them to understand what he's talking about. All of which is probably why I never noticed.

this.

I hardly read his posts bc they make my brain hurt trying make sense of them. I've read the short ones, but they're all about hunting.

 

[corgipower]

Seriously though, I have a very hard time reading Pops2 posts because they are formatted weird and they have grammatical errors and a lot of the time I feel like I have to decode them to understand what he's talking about. All of which is probably why I never noticed.

^This.^

um how old is Pops2? First poped in my mind , cause it was legal till something like 1982 in louisiana. i know some older folk who view it as alright still cause it is how they was raised. i dont and never will condone it, but it is a recent cultural change.

and that is all i am going to say other than i never got the dogfighter vibe from him and hope he is not run off.

And ^this^.

 

[CaliTerp07]

Seriously though, I have a very hard time reading Pops2 posts because they are formatted weird and they have grammatical errors and a lot of the time I feel like I have to decode them to understand what he's talking about. All of which is probably why I never noticed.

Yes, this exactly. I generally skip over his posts because they're too difficult to read.