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[compassionategirl]

At least if the county destroys them, it will be a much more humane death than if my dogs do, or they get poisoned, shot or hit by a car.

This is sad, but true. I wish it did not have to come down to this, because again, it is yet another example, of animals paying the price with their lives for HUMAN choices.

And this is yet another reason for people to ensure that their cats, their beloved cats, do not go out unsupervised. People may just get fed up and call animal control, and their cats will end up euthanized.

I guess what I am struggling with is why would anyway risk any harm befalling their beloved family member/pet?
It is dangerous out there. How can we risk a cruel horrendous fate befalling our canine friends? I just dont get it....It almost seems like people are willing to gamble on their cats' lives, but would never dream about risking losing their dog or harm befalling their dog. I dont get what the mentality is here. I hate to say this and dont want to offend anybody, and this is meant as food for thought and is NOT an accusation, but could there be some kind of subconscious thinking going on where a cat is believed on some level to be inferior to dogs, and so they are more 'disposble.' If harm befalls them or they go missing, it is sad but so be it, but a dog is too precious to take that same chance with?

Again, this latter point is not an accusation directed at anybody here and not meant to offend. I am genuinely trying to dig deeper here to UNDERSTAND the mentality and what may be going on at a subconscious level here, because I really dont understand this at all and the only way we are going to hopefully invoke a change of heart in people is to first truly understand the rationale, both explicit and implicit, in their thinking...

 

[Juicy]

I don't mind cats, the cats over here don't seem to be a menance to ME, anywho, my mother can't stand them though. But I just rather not go though that experience again where my dogs killed a kitten with people letting their cats roam. I known Punky you lost cat{s}? to your dogs before and I know it must of felt horrible.......but image what others too feel about witnessing those sort of things....so don't take what people are saying as an attack, but more of a concern for your cats safety. I believe it when you say your cats are not the ones causing troubles like the stories posted on this thread, but they can become victims from roaming. I'm sure they stay away from houses with big dogs, but my dogs are little and hardly are outside so I doubt it the cat who had a litter in my yard deemed my yard as an unsafe place. I don't want your cats to have the same faith as the little kitten that my dog killed, you've already had to deal with enough losses recently.

Also neighbors can be harsh. The AC over here does not take cat complaints they just say trap them and take them to the AC...some people would find that too much work, so they take matters in their own hands, and sometimes in a not so nice matter. So what my mom does is hose them off with the hose on JET when she finds the cat on top of her car. Your cats might not do much harm to other people's property, but people might be doing harm to your cats without you knowing it....the neighbor's never know that my mom did that to their cat. Nor that nice little Timmy down the block has fun throwing rocks at your cats when they show up in their backyard.

Some neighbor's are not confrontational when it comes to things like pets. If your dog poops in their yard, instead of talking to you about it, they might leave a burning bag of the poop in your front footstep. So in reality you don't really know that ALL your neighbor's don't have an issue about it, unless you do a survey around the neighborhood, you really have no idea. Maybe not the ones who have outdoor cats themselves, but maybe the ones who have no cats or have indoor cats that don't like outside cats on their property.

Here's one of the kittens I saved. I felt horrible about not saving one of the other kittens, I heard it meowing for help, but didn't step in fast enough, because I didn't know if the momma cat was there and didn't want to get scratched/bitten. You can see some blood on the shirt, my dog bit one of its little toes

Had it not been for the owner catching me by suprise and hadn't I had the kitten in my hands, I would of taken the kitten to the HS, because I don't think it was in the right home situation.....what if one of your neighbor's felt the same, they don't know how much you love and how well kept your cats are, neither did I about my neighbor's.....but I felt it would of been better of in an indoor home situation or quite frankly be PTS then see it dead one day in the streets and all my efforts of rescuing the kitten would of been senseless since it would of died a tragic death in the end afterall.

What I didn't get though her owner knew her cat had been preggos and was due anytime soon and she could of atleast kept her indoors during that time to prevent the litter from the elements. I was in denial that my cat would of been killed, since she hardly wandered off....but when I apologized for it, she was like ''its ok, these sort of things happen''....I was in a state of shock. I mean if you knew this could of happen why not prevent it from happening? I also asked her if she wanted the body of the little one that didn't make it, she was like ''why would I want it?''....umm to give it a proper burial? Sigh.

 

[compassionategirl]

Good post Juicy.

 

[Miakoda]

Actually, i said they go into my neighbors BACK yard. I have also stated, she has 11 of her own cats who are indoor/outdoor. And we are very close neighbors. So..point NOT proven.

If she doesn't care, fine.

But that reminds me of the lady who would walk her Dalmation into my yard for it to poop because "I have dogs so who really cares?". Just because MY dogs poop in my yard doesn't mean I want everyone else's dog to and I don't enjoy picking up poop so I sure as hell am not going to enjoy all the extra piles.

 

[Miakoda]

Sure makes me think of a certain James Herriot story. THe cat that went to meetings.

LOL. You read James Herriot, too?

 

[ihartgonzo]

LMAO! Talk about OT...

Honestly, I have no problem with "outside" cats... if the cat is under your supervision at all times and/or you live on tons of property and the cat is guaranteed not to trespass on other people's property.

No pet animal - cat, dog, gerbil, turtle, or mini donkey - should be allowed to roam on private property. Period. MOSTLY for the safety of the pet, itself, but also for the peace of mind and safety of others. I cannot count the number of times I've almost hit a cat darting across the street, or my dogs have chased a nieghbor's cat through our yard (luckily, they don't mean "business", but some dogs DO have prey drive and no owner should have to go through watching their dog kill a roaming cat in their yard), or I've found cat poops scattered around (I especially appreciate all of the poop and pee in our sandbox, that's just fantastic. I did end up buying a covered sandbox because of this... I only wish that all of the roaming cat owner's in the neighborhood could have pooled together to purchase it).

And to answer the statement about cats being utterly harmless... I was walking our Rottie when I was a kid, and he casually sniffed a bush along the sidewalk. A little cat paw reached out, and my Rottie leapt about 10 feet in the air, blood gushing from his eye. I wish that cat's owner had to pay the pricey Vet bill, but of course they didn't, because their cat was roaming freely without any form of identification. D:

A lot of people in my neighborhood have cats who are outside basically 24/7. I see them all sitting on doorsteps in the rain. It's sad, and I do not understand owning any pet that lives outside all of the time and receives minimal interaction with their owners, if any at all.

 

[Dizzy]

Perhaps.. but the people who thinks its just fine to let animals wander at will NEED to read posts like that.

Most hilarious post in this thread, are you now trying to GUILT trip me into leaving my cat locked indoors??

Oh noes!!!!

lol

I can't believe this thread is still going anyway

My cat is happy snooping round the back garden as we speak.... Eyeing up the local wildlife and planning where to have her next DUMP.

Sniffing out the poison she's going to wolf down as her pre-rubbish bag snack!!

MmmmmmM! I love the smell of responsibility in the morning!

 

[Dekka]

Wow Dizzy... you totally missed what we have been saying haven't you?

It IS your decision to let your cat out. Its the fact that you seem to be living in a majickal world of unicorns and butterflies where cats don't get hurt and never poop.

My WHOLE point with that comment is... as long as YOU are aware of the risks and are honest then I am fine. People do things I don't like all the time. But its the "ahh nothing will EVAR happen to my cat... my cat NEVAR does anything to bother anyone" That I have an issues with. So you are saying what Eddie and I went through on someone else's cats behalf means nothing to you? That these kinds of deaths are fine "cause its a cat"? I just don't get why you can't see the risks (or won't see the risks)

Deluding yourself isn't doing you or your cat any favours.


Since you feel so strongly on this issue how about you answer the question a few people have put to you? Or would that mean you would have to talk your fingers out of your ears and actually listen to the issues presented.

 

[Dizzy]

Wow Dizzy... you totally missed what we have been saying haven't you?

It IS your decision to let your cat out. Its the fact that you seem to be living in a majickal world of unicorns and butterflies where cats don't get hurt and never poop.

My WHOLE point with that comment is... as long as YOU are aware of the risks and are honest then I am fine. People do things I don't like all the time. But its the "ahh nothing will EVAR happen to my cat... my cat NEVAR does anything to bother anyone" That I have an issues with. So you are saying what Eddie and I went through on someone else's cats behalf means nothing to you? That these kinds of deaths are fine "cause its a cat"? I just don't get why you can't see the risks (or won't see the risks)

Deluding yourself isn't doing you or your cat any favours.


Since you feel so strongly on this issue how about you answer the question a few people have put to you? Or would that mean you would have to talk your fingers out of your ears and actually listen to the issues presented.

*yawn*

If you are A OK with it why all the harping on at me? Where am I deluding myself? I said what I do with MY cats and I did also say I can't account for OTHER cat owners.

I also said in MY experience and other people I know, have never had cats in rubbish or destroying cars!!

As it happened, I decided to look at this issue on a UK cat forum I used to go on years ago because I was feeling a general US/Canada/UK divide. You'll find most people here let their cats out. You'll find most people feel GUILTY for keeping cats indoors. Yeah... I said the G word - guilty. You have to remember, I am NOT from your culture. We might speak the same language, but on a LOT of issues, the similarity ends there. I think people forget this a lot of the time

You can sit there and harp on about me being deluded, but I can assure you, I am far from it! And not doing me or my cat any favours??? ROFL!!! My cat is a happy, healthy 11 years old and still going strong, still an in/out cat and never had an issue with it in her life.

I am not sure what you're trying to achieve by telling me I am deluded and live in a land of butterflies and unicorns :rofl1:If only.

I am not missing your points at all, I am simply not agreeing with them.

*ding ding - next round*

 

[smkie]

LOL. You read James Herriot, too?

Everyone of them. I am a fan.

 

[Dekka]

sorry if this is boring you...

No you are saying they don't exist. Most people around here let their cats roam too... this why I see so many dead ones on the roads I am fine with disagreement.. happens often. But to say.. there is no issue.

So you are saying that the people who have had cats attack them are exaggertating or lying?

That the people who have had property damage are making it up?

The people here who have seen cats defecating and urinating on the properity and gardens are all seeing things?

This is what I don't get, if you dont' see it-it doesn't exist. If you don't watch your cat how do you know he doesn't do those things? Does he tell you?

So can I take you are unable to answer the question people have asked you.

 

[Dizzy]

sorry if this is boring you...

No you are saying they don't exist. Most people around here let their cats roam too... this why I see so many dead ones on the roads I am fine with disagreement.. happens often. But to say.. there is no issue.

So you are saying that the people who have had cats attack them are exaggertating or lying?

That the people who have had property damage are making it up?

The people here who have seen cats defecating and urinating on the properity and gardens are all seeing things?

This is what I don't get, if you dont' see it-it doesn't exist. If you don't watch your cat how do you know he doesn't do those things? Does he tell you?

So can I take you are unable to answer the question people have asked you.

Ok, I am going to say this very slowly so you understand.


I said that.... Even.... though... I... Live..... in... an.... area.... with.... LOTS.... of..... cats...... I.... nor... anyone.... I.... know.... has.... come.... across... cats.... getting..... into.... rubbish.... or..... damaging.... cars.

Better?

In my life, I have seen a dead dog, dead foxes, dead hedgehogs, dead birds, dead badgers even! And I think.... one dead cat?

If you can tell me where I said these things never happen? I can happily show you where I said I haven't experienced it.

I think Dekka, you're like a dog with a bone - I am not sure whether you're just arguing because you enjoy it, trying to change my mind, try and make me look irresponsible or wrong or what?

And I am not bored, I am thoroughly enjoying it, or I wouldn't reply would I??

I guess I am in the Brit corner with all the other people I know who own cats and let them out! **** us and our foul creature!

Oh, and for the record, cats in the UK have "the right to roam".

*ding ding - round 2*

 

[Dekka]

so you can simply say "No.. I can't answer the question"

Yep like a dog with a bone! Trying to see if I can get you to answer a question posed to you be at least 2 people.. if not more. (don't think it will work.. but its worth a try)

I think the circley bike is PERFECT for what you are doing. There is no real answer.. but instead of admitting you have no answer you keep going on about soemthign different... about how you never see problems so there is no risk. You aren't fooling us Diz.. We are smart enough to see your constant disregard of the real questions.

I said I was fine with your choice.. but you keep intentionally missing what I and other are saying. But then I guess you really have to don't you

 

[Dizzy]

so you can simply say "No.. I can't answer the question"

Yep like a dog with a bone! Trying to see if I can get you to answer a question posed to you be at least 2 people.. if not more. (don't think it will work.. but its worth a try)

I think the circley bike is PERFECT for what you are doing. There is no real answer.. but instead of admitting you have no answer you keep going on about soemthign different... about how you never see problems so there is no risk. You aren't fooling us Diz.. We are smart enough to see your constant disregard of the real questions.

I said I was fine with your choice.. but you keep intentionally missing what I and other are saying. But then I guess you really have to don't you

What Q? Ask me again, because I have no idea what you're on about.

You're very good at twisting words, I seriously commend you and pass you the word twisting crown

Not just on here, I have seen you do it plenty of times on other threads. True talent should never be ignored.

I like this one, it is pink and has stars.

 

[Doberluv]

sorry if this is boring you...

No you are saying they don't exist. Most people around here let their cats roam too... this why I see so many dead ones on the roads I am fine with disagreement.. happens often. But to say.. there is no issue.

So you are saying that the people who have had cats attack them are exaggertating or lying?

That the people who have had property damage are making it up?

The people here who have seen cats defecating and urinating on the properity and gardens are all seeing things?

This is what I don't get, if you dont' see it-it doesn't exist. If you don't watch your cat how do you know he doesn't do those things? Does he tell you?

So can I take you are unable to answer the question people have asked you.

Dekka! You should know better. English cats are far more refined than the savage-like, low class, American cats who lack any proper etiquette. :rofl1:

 

[Dizzy]

Dekka! You should know better. English cats are far more refined than the savage-like, low class, American cats who lack any proper etiquette. :rofl1:

No, I think you're thinking of their owners

 

[Dekka]

I like the crown very pretty.. I like the sparklies.. not the hearts though.

Read the thread.. the same question has been asked at least 3 times to people who believe its ok for cats to roam unsupervised.

And I really don't think I have been twisting words. I did say I think its good for cats to go outside.. just not unsupervised. My parents have a cat who goes on walks with them and hangs by the pool. So I agree its good for cats to have as much stimulation as possible. I have said numerous times in this thread I am ok with cats going out doors.

 

[Dekka]

No, I think you're thinking of their owners

Hey don't be dissin the Americans! I know refined Yanks and some very unrefined (and fun) Brits.

LOL but you all know Canadian cats are the most peaceful and down to earth cats there are. The proverbial cat next door! :rofl1::rofl1::rofl1:

 

[Dizzy]

I like the crown very pretty.. I like the sparklies.. not the hearts though.

Read the thread.. the same question has been asked at least 3 times to people who believe its ok for cats to roam unsupervised.

And I really don't think I have been twisting words. I did say I think its good for cats to go outside.. just not unsupervised. My parents have a cat who goes on walks with them and hangs by the pool. So I agree its good for cats to have as much stimulation as possible. I have said numerous times in this thread I am ok with cats going out doors.

I think that cat owners should exert common sense (I have said this for the THIRD time now - who isn't paying attention?).

If your cat wanders far USE YOUR BRAIN.

If it comes home with the neighbours fish have some common sense.

If it is a fighter, have some sense.

If you have had complaints, be sensible.

My cats have a right to roam, and I USE it. My cats are chipped, have their own trays, are indoors over night, and sleep most of the day.

They ENJOY their outside time.

They have a right, which I use, which MOST UK cat owners use.

Shall I copy and post this several times, because obviously me saying this THREE times already wasn't enough.

Just because irresponsible owners continue to allow their cats to be a nuisence, does not mean I am going to keep MINE indoors.

 

[Dizzy]

Hey don't be dissin the Americans! I know refined Yanks and some very unrefined (and fun) Brits.

LOL but you all know Canadian cats are the most peaceful and down to earth cats there are. The proverbial cat next door! :rofl1::rofl1:

I don't know many refined Brits..... But then, I don't know many who like Americans either

Americans don't bother me too much...... I couldn't eat a whole one though