Did I not say this was likely to be the next step?
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Its not likely to pass, and it would be unconstitutional if it did. But it does show you the mentality of some of these people; they don't just want to protect fetuses (not an unsympathetic desire), they actually hate women. They may not realize that they hate women, but anyone who would investigate a woman for murder after a miscarriage (and keep in mind just how many pregnancies end in miscarriage), particularly with the burden of proof on her, hates women.
wow. just wow. Like lil said, I'm not too worried about something like that passing....but the fact that someone who holds a position in Congress has that sort of mentality is just incredibly disturbing. His thought process is just so incredibly ridiculous that I don't even feel compelled to even begin to discuss why...since it hopefully is not necessary.
I read that whole article with my mouth hanging wide open....I'm still just flabbergasted.
I read that whole article with my mouth hanging wide open....I'm still just flabbergasted.
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I also gotta say I love how its men trying to pass these laws. If you have no clue what its like to be pregnant I dont think you should be passing LAWS governing it.
Im sorry but that is something that you can NEVER know what it feels like until its you even as a husband its not the same.
Was reading through the comments and just had to quote this:
If they want to blame the woman for a miscarriage they should blame the man as well I mean he didnt protect the baby to the best of his ability then. They could have been having sex and somehow caused it ya know.
Im sorry but that is something that you can NEVER know what it feels like until its you even as a husband its not the same.
Was reading through the comments and just had to quote this:
If they want to blame the woman for a miscarriage they should blame the man as well I mean he didnt protect the baby to the best of his ability then. They could have been having sex and somehow caused it ya know.
Nech-
Miscarriages are often called "abortions".
I KNOW because when I had a miscarriage, it was medically called an "abortion" because my body physically aborted the fetus/baby/embryo/whatever-you-wish-to-consider-it.
But I never intentionally had an abortion. My body decided it wasn't right. I had no control over it.
Anyway, needless to say, a miscarriage is an often devastating experience for a woman. You think that we A.) want to lose a baby most of us have just come to grips with finding out we're going to have B.) want a living creature DYING inside our bodies?? C.) potentially be found guilty of murder because our bodies do something we have no control over?
This will NEVER pass.
Miscarriages are often called "abortions".
I KNOW because when I had a miscarriage, it was medically called an "abortion" because my body physically aborted the fetus/baby/embryo/whatever-you-wish-to-consider-it.
But I never intentionally had an abortion. My body decided it wasn't right. I had no control over it.
Anyway, needless to say, a miscarriage is an often devastating experience for a woman. You think that we A.) want to lose a baby most of us have just come to grips with finding out we're going to have B.) want a living creature DYING inside our bodies?? C.) potentially be found guilty of murder because our bodies do something we have no control over?
This will NEVER pass.
They'd only be felons if they intentionally caused the abortion.
If the woman murders the child, the man should not be held responsible. That's just silly.
You still had an abortion. You say it wasn't intentional. Not all miscarriages/abortions are unintentional; this is aimed at those that are intentional, as those women have committed murder and need to be held accountable for their actions.
If the woman murders the child, the man should not be held responsible. That's just silly.
You still had an abortion. You say it wasn't intentional. Not all miscarriages/abortions are unintentional; this is aimed at those that are intentional, as those women have committed murder and need to be held accountable for their actions.
I'm pretty sure that Neo is baiting you, folks.
So I'll merely nibble at the bait and remark that not only would many women be emotionally devistated by a murder investigation after losing a baby, and outraged at the violation of what is usually a very private loss, but the miscarriage rate in the early stages of pregnancy is extremely high. (Indeed, in the early stages, the woman may not even have known she was pregnant and may not even but sure that she had a miscarriage. I'm fairly sure I once had a very early miscarriage, but I'll never really know). The costs, both social and monetary, for enforcing such a law would be astronomical, and it would be, as a practical matter, unenforceable.
However, in a way, Neo is right. If you really, really, sincerely believe that harming even a fertilized egg is murder and assault, then this is the natural outcome of that belief. Not only must every miscarriage be investigated as a possible murder, but the failure of a woman to do her utmost to protect and nurture her unborn child is at best, child neglect, if not abuse. Thus, not only must miscarriages be investigated, but so must any "inappropriate" behavior by a pregnant woman, and any deficiencies in the baby after it is born, to make sure those deficiencies are not the result of maternal neglect. Of course to carry all this through would result in women of child bearing age being once again rendered little more than incubators, but hey, some people are ok with that.
So I'll merely nibble at the bait and remark that not only would many women be emotionally devistated by a murder investigation after losing a baby, and outraged at the violation of what is usually a very private loss, but the miscarriage rate in the early stages of pregnancy is extremely high. (Indeed, in the early stages, the woman may not even have known she was pregnant and may not even but sure that she had a miscarriage. I'm fairly sure I once had a very early miscarriage, but I'll never really know). The costs, both social and monetary, for enforcing such a law would be astronomical, and it would be, as a practical matter, unenforceable.
However, in a way, Neo is right. If you really, really, sincerely believe that harming even a fertilized egg is murder and assault, then this is the natural outcome of that belief. Not only must every miscarriage be investigated as a possible murder, but the failure of a woman to do her utmost to protect and nurture her unborn child is at best, child neglect, if not abuse. Thus, not only must miscarriages be investigated, but so must any "inappropriate" behavior by a pregnant woman, and any deficiencies in the baby after it is born, to make sure those deficiencies are not the result of maternal neglect. Of course to carry all this through would result in women of child bearing age being once again rendered little more than incubators, but hey, some people are ok with that.
Fine, define "intentional".
Define "caused".
Did the mom who drank one too many mountain dews "intentionally" miscarry her child? If a woman forgot her thyroid meds once too many times during pregnancy did she "intentionally" miscarry?
What about the mom who kept taking her prozac before knowing she was pregnant and then didn't quit cold turkey but stepped down her meds - is that miscarriage her fault?
Oh oh!! What about if the embryo was shown to have chromosonal abnormalities, but the woman didn't want the child to begin with and may not have taken the best care of herself, are you going to blame her for those chromosonal abnormalities?
And who's going to pay for all of this to be investigated?
Define "caused".
Did the mom who drank one too many mountain dews "intentionally" miscarry her child? If a woman forgot her thyroid meds once too many times during pregnancy did she "intentionally" miscarry?
What about the mom who kept taking her prozac before knowing she was pregnant and then didn't quit cold turkey but stepped down her meds - is that miscarriage her fault?
Oh oh!! What about if the embryo was shown to have chromosonal abnormalities, but the woman didn't want the child to begin with and may not have taken the best care of herself, are you going to blame her for those chromosonal abnormalities?
And who's going to pay for all of this to be investigated?