Awww, crap. I have the opportunity to buy a puppy...

[bittervanityx]

Well. I think this whole thread is nothing but nitpicking and whining. Okay, yeah sure, its a horrible thing these people are doing but theres no reason to go all high school drama queen on everyone.

I had about enough of this crap, and I don't need a headache from a website. You won't be seeing me around here anymore. I'm sick of watching my every move to make sure my throat doesn't get ripped out. I forgot why I went on a hiatus the first time, but now I remember. I'm sick of you elitist dog jackasses.

Go ahead, when I log off quote my post and call me a quitter. Ill be checking back. Unless it gets deleted. Have fun.

I still say go buy the dog. Sue me.

 

[Dekka]

????

Anger much? So its ok for you to have opinions, and to fight for things.. but when the rest of do it we are soooo bad?

So you are telling me if I made a post how I thought BSL was a good idea and that pitties really are kinda dangerous.. that would be totally fine by you? I should have no problem supporting that and you could stand back and smile?

Double standard!

And really no one MAKES you read threads. If you don't like what you read, don't come back to that thread. It really is that simple.

 

[FluffyZooCrew]

Well. I think this whole thread is nothing but nitpicking and whining. Okay, yeah sure, its a horrible thing these people are doing but theres no reason to go all high school drama queen on everyone.

I had about enough of this crap, and I don't need a headache from a website. You won't be seeing me around here anymore. I'm sick of watching my every move to make sure my throat doesn't get ripped out. I forgot why I went on a hiatus the first time, but now I remember. I'm sick of you elitist dog jackasses.

Go ahead, when I log off quote my post and call me a quitter. Ill be checking back. Unless it gets deleted. Have fun.

I still say go buy the dog. Sue me.

Wow...

:rofl1:

 

[Criosphynx]

nice answer opcorn:

 

[babymomma]

Yep, your post wasnt whiney at all BITTER vanity...And there was 0% highschool drama queen in it too... Double standards annoy me.

 

[ACooper]

how many GSD are sitting in shelters right now?

I can go get you 10 right now to pick from...and if we hit up the shelter a few cities over thats in an urban area...we can pick from 30 more im sure.

And no one is going to adopt 90% of them.


Doesn't that hurt anyone else but me?

I guess you are considering ME one of those "pro BYB" people, which isn't the case, but I will address this post anyway.

BOTH, not one, but BOTH of my current dogs are rescued. One from the Humane society, and the other from a sh!t head who was letting him slowly die from worms and poor nutrition on top of that. He was a 3 month old doberman pup that SHOULD have been in the 30-40 lb range.........instead he was a meesely 12 lbs, TWELVE POUNDS. Could barely get up and walk, could barely hold his own head up, so please, don't tell me about BYB and hurting to know that dogs suffer. I know all too well.

Many of the "shelter" GSD might have issues that GO might not want, or does not have the time to deal with and introduce into his household of OTHER DOGS. It could be behavior issues that are so far gone that a PRO Trainer would have a he!! of a time dealing with. We don't even have to bring health issues into the mix.

He might want a puppy he can start fresh with, know the history, environment, nutrition, medical care, ALL those things about the dog from day one. He could pass on one of these puppies, then NEXT YEAR go and get one of these same puppies from the shelter after someone else has jacked it up.

It's his decision and a guilt trip shouldn't factor into it IMO. He has enough education and information to make an informed decision............THAT is what we should care about here.

 

[Dekka]

to play devils advocate here...

Right now in the shelter in my town is a litter of purebred GSDs.. Now we don't have the issues that some areas do and they will all get adopted out. The mom is lovely and sweet... Dad they haven't met.

So even if you want a puppy it doesn't mean you have to go breeder.

 

[Criosphynx]

Im not considering anyone specifically...just throwing it out there.



There as GSD rescues with dogs that are assessed already they also have puppies.. Its not impossible to find a decent dog in rescue...a lot less work than raising and socializing a new puppy IMO.

 

[ACooper]

No Dekka it doesn't, but that varies by region. Around here, you do not get a chance at puppies very often..........and purebred pups are IMPOSSIBLE!

But even then, would he have a chance to see health testing/x-rays from the parents (which is something WE ALL agree on here)

EDIT: Cris, that STILL depends on what the person in question wants. They are going to live with this dog for the next 10-20 years (God willing) and they and ONLY they should pick their companion.

 

[Dekka]

no/.... but my issue was less about health itself (though that is good..) but supporting people who are less than ethical (assuming these people are.. they might be ok) You never get that kind of health testing on shelter bred pups.

Sport was born in a shelter, had 2 homes and a foster home before we got him at 11 months. Do we care that he wasn't health tested? No, not really as we supported the rescue.. not that a byb. And it is obvious that he is pure bred and of nice type. He has killer drive and a fantastic personality. But I wouldn't have paid for him from a BYB.

 

[Romy]

to play devils advocate here...

Right now in the shelter in my town is a litter of purebred GSDs.. Now we don't have the issues that some areas do and they will all get adopted out. The mom is lovely and sweet... Dad they haven't met.

So even if you want a puppy it doesn't mean you have to go breeder.

In some parts of the world *cougharizonacough* every single puppy is label "pit bull" or "pit mix", even if mom is known. Sometimes especially if mom is known, because they will (and have) label redbone coonhounds and neo mastiffs as pitbulls.

That is what drove us to a breeder. If your landlord, homeowners insurance, etc. won't allow a certain breed or mix, and all the rescues/shelters call all the puppies by a certain breed or mix, and do little background checks before adopting out, it is literally impossible to get a rescue dog that way.

We don't know what the situation is in GO's area. Good for you that your town has a litter of what he's looking for. Unfortunately that's not an option for him.

 

[JessLough]

No Dekka it doesn't, but that varies by region. Around here, you do not get a chance at puppies very often..........and purebred pups are IMPOSSIBLE!

But even then, would he have a chance to see health testing/x-rays from the parents (which is something WE ALL agree on here)

No, wouldn't be able to see health testing/x-rays from the parents.. but do you really expect that from a puppy that you rescued?

 

[ACooper]

And refresh my memory, Sport is a JRT? And you yourself know that JRT are a healthier lot than GSD............just saying.

I think now we are coming down to technicalities and going back over the same old stuff. I will be waiting to see more information from GO, hopefully soon, LOL

 

[FluffyZooCrew]

He might want a puppy he can start fresh with, know the history, environment, nutrition, medical care, ALL those things about the dog from day one.

Yep... cause getting a puppy from a BYB with no health testing on the parents, and without seeing any of the dog's family history or if they'd been health tested, really puts the odds in your favor for getting a healthy puppy.

Nutrition plays no role in the puppies, because I'm sure he'll change the food they're on. Medical care? What medical care? They may see a vet for some vax and a worming, but other than that...?

History and Environment? They came from an accidental litter... just like so many GSD's and other puppies sitting in shelters across the US.

 

[ACooper]

No, wouldn't be able to see health testing/x-rays from the parents.. but do you really expect that from a puppy that you rescued?

*sigh* Did you read Dekka's post? I was answering that one.

No, if I went to a shelter to adopt a dog I do not expect to see health testing from the parents..............THAT WAS PRECISELY MY POINT.

And a GSD is known to have expensive issues that a COLLEGE STUDENT might not be prepared to deal with, just saying he MIGHT be taking that into consideration.

 

[Criosphynx]

I counted I think 4-5 litters last shelter visit

In some parts of the world *cougharizonacough* every single puppy is label "pit bull" or "pit mix", even if mom is known. We don't know what the situation is in GO's area. Good for you that your town has a litter of what he's looking for. Unfortunately that's not an option for him.

haha...its the exact oposite here. Shelters will look at a pit bull with a spot on its leg and label it "dalmation mix" or brown coat and its a "pointer mix"

Shelters here want the pits adopted out, and will tweek the paperwork accordingly


A former friends "pointer mix" is full pit and Kiwi's paperwork says "sharpei mix"

 

[ACooper]

Yep... cause getting a puppy from a BYB with no health testing on the parents, and without seeing any of the dog's family history or if they'd been health tested, really puts the odds in your favor for getting a healthy puppy.

Nutrition plays no role in the puppies, because I'm sure he'll change the food they're on. Medical care? What medical care? They may see a vet for some vax and a worming, but other than that...?

History and Environment? They came from an accidental litter... just like so many GSD's and other puppies sitting in shelters across the US.

WOW.........how do you know all that when GO doesn't even know it yet! Are you psychic?

That is one thing GO is checking with them about..........health testing and xrays. That is the main thing I said I would do BEFORE agreeing to buy from them.

And nutrition plays NO ROLE in the puppies Tell that to my poor little sick pup who was wasting away. I think he would've disagreed.

An accidental litter doesn't equal a bad environment. I don't know why you automatically assume it would.

 

[Dekka]

And refresh my memory, Sport is a JRT? And you yourself know that JRT are a healthier lot than GSD............just saying.

Sport is a very althletic and drivey BC..

 

[ACooper]

Sport is a very althletic and drivey BC..

Ah, another hardy breed, LOL...........sorry, I sometimes forget who is who and who belongs to who etc

 

[AllieMackie]

And refresh my memory, Sport is a JRT? And you yourself know that JRT are a healthier lot than GSD............just saying.

I'm sure Dekka will find this eventually, but since I'm here... Sport is a border collie. BCs have a lot of similar genetic issues as GSDs, if I understand correctly. Especially in the hips.