AAHA and AMVA's position on cropping, docking and dewclaw removal

MafiaPrincess

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As breeders, how do you feel about the new statements (though not all that new I hadn't seen them before) from the AMVA and AAHA on docking, cropping and dewclaw removal? I went with Dekka to her vet today and she was told that it's doubtful they will do dewclaws and tails even on working dogs, and referred her to the posted statements on the wall.

I'm not really impressed as the owner of a docked breed. Do you think more vets will adopt their stance and push all of these procedures underground? I fear this might be the beginning of the end. Vets refuse to do it and then ban all non vets?

The AAHA's statement if you haven't seen it
Ear Cropping/Tail Docking Position Statement

Ear cropping and/or tail docking in pets for cosmetic reasons are not medically indicated nor of benefit to the patient. These procedures cause pain and distress, and, as with all surgical procedures, are accompanied by inherent risks of anesthetic complications, hemorrhage, and infection. Therefore, the American Animal Hospital Association opposes both the cropping of ears and the docking of tails when done solely for cosmetic reasons. Veterinarians should counsel and educate pet owners that these procedures should not be performed unless medically necessary. The American Animal Hospital Association also encourages the elimination of ear cropping and tail docking from breed standards.
AVMA's statement:

The American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) Executive Board voted to strengthen association policy on two practices common in certain breeds of dogs—ear cropping and tail docking.

The revised AVMA policy states: "The AVMA opposes ear cropping and tail docking of dogs when done solely for cosmetic purposes. The AVMA encourages the elimination of ear cropping and tail docking from breed standards."

"For many years the AVMA has acknowledged that ear cropping and tail docking of dogs for cosmetic purposes are not medically indicated nor of benefit to our canine patients," explains Dr. Ron DeHaven, chief executive officer of the AVMA. "Our latest policy revision doesn't represent a change in perspective, but, rather, makes that perspective clear with a stronger statement."

The AVMA decided to adjust its policy on tail docking and ear cropping after a scheduled review of an existing policy. The review included an analysis of scientific literature and available data, an assessment of the practical experience of veterinarians, and deliberations by the AVMA Animal Welfare Committee.

"Why we perform certain procedures is one of the first questions we ask. Once that question is answered, committee members look at any associated welfare concerns," explains Dr. Gail Golab, director of the AVMA Animal Welfare Division. "'Cosmetic' implies the basis for these procedures is to alter the dog's appearance. Welfare risks identified included those associated with surgical procedures, i.e., anesthetic complications, pain, blood loss and infection. In the committee's opinion, the risk-benefit analysis supports professional opposition to performing these procedures for purely cosmetic reasons."

In recommending policy revisions, the committee was careful to distinguish ear cropping and tail docking performed for cosmetic reasons from procedures performed for therapeutic or preventive purposes. "If it can be responsibly demonstrated that the purpose of performing the procedure is to protect the health and welfare of the dog, then of course the Association would support the appropriate surgery," said Dr. DeHaven.
 

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Let's just say I'm glad there are vets out there that are perfectly willing to dock and crop.

:)
 

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I'm not very familiar with the AAHA, but the AVMA long ago sold out to the ARists. It's all about money. :rolleyes:
 
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I have to agree...they sold out...

I am just glad that some vets have BRAINS and can think for themselves...sigh...so stupid...instead of working on pet retention issues we are focusing on little things like cropping and docking....silly if you ask me!

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To me I am not upset my vets choose not to. I knew they didn't like doing it before. I have no issues with a vet that chooses not to for their own reasons. I am not impressed that vets don't just because they are following someone else's reasons.

To me this is silly. Most breeders do their own tails. So all this will do is to get MORE people to try it at home or have some breeder do it for them. If the goal is to make it better for dogs.. not sure how this is going to have any impact at all.
 

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I prefer home docked anyways, I find it less stressful for Mom and Pups... However not everyone can/wants to dock at home, so I hope they will not have trouble finding vets willing to help them. As for dewclaws, I truly consider that as much preventative as cosmetic, esp. in breeds that tend to dig. Mindy has torn her dews too many times to count and it hurts like a bugger based on how she reacts, and she's no wimp... LOL
 
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I'm not in agreement with cropping or docking, so I agree with their position. And gladly, I have a vet that rarely does those procedures, and has said before that he will eventually quit doing them all together.
 

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I'm not thrilled with their position on it. Whatever happened to the owners choice? I see dewclaws being important, and tails for some breeds...ears, I don't know how important it is, however I feel it's the dog owners choice and should remain as such.

All this will do is drive up the price for vets that are still willing to do this.
 

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vets wont crop or dock but they will continue to reccomend Purina and Hill's Food :rolleyes:

Hopefully good breeders will have alternatives.
 

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Hopefully good breeders will have alternatives.
Thankfully, most of the good breeders use vets that won't stop cropping - vets that make a living ONLY cropping puppies. :)
 
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well my crop vet doesn't ONLY crop puppies and on top of this stuff they are fighting anti- C/D in the state he is in. We travel to WI for our crops....
We band and do dews at home...but what of the breeder that wants a vet to do it?
So now i have to have a tailed boxer.....pass thanks!

I dunno i think it is more the opinion of a few dictating for the masses...since when did my choices for my dogs get taken away?

If they ban C/D i hope they ban other surgical procedures that aren't tech. necessary....lump removals...and such...same difference.

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What's C/D?

I think that their stance is stupid for a multitude of reasons, and none of them have anything to do with agreeing that dogs should or shouldn't have them done.

1) Why does a vet need a 3rd party to tell them what they believe in? Can we not think for ourselves anymore?

2) How long till people have no control over anything anymore?

3) Wouldn't you want these sort of things being done at a vet where they're trained and everything is clean?


I don't really see it being much of a problem though, unless it becomes Illegal. No matter how you look at problems, they all boil down to Money.

If some vets stop doing it bc of this, others will continue to do it, and they'll have more business and likely charge more too. So the one group of vets will loose money, while the other will start making 2x or more.
 

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I'm not in agreement with cropping or docking, so I agree with their position. And gladly, I have a vet that rarely does those procedures, and has said before that he will eventually quit doing them all together.
Its not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. You want non docked JRTs down holes? Really?

But its that this is going to hurt the puppies in the long run. People who don't feel confident (so shouldn't dock) will now be doing it their self at home. How does that help dogs? How does that stop the amount of puppies docked? It doesn't.

A great example of how animal rights looks to be doing something 'good' that actually makes no difference or actually causes more harm to animals.
 

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I'd assume Dekka that they simply would make at home d/c/d illegal...a "crime" so people would stop doing that as well. Incrementalism...

Usually it's done in reverse..make it illegal to do at home THEN get vets under the pressure to not provide the service...but in this case they simply aren't having the luck they've had cowing the people HERE the way they have in the UK etc into giving away their rights to choose...so they are using roundabout methods to accomplish the same goals.

It's amazing and scary the power the AR's have in other countries. Thusfar the basic premise that Americans have rights that are not up for grabs has protected us from much of that..but it too now is being worn down little by little.
 

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If they ban C/D i hope they ban other surgical procedures that aren't tech. necessary....lump removals...and such...same difference.

S
So the removal of a possibly cancerous lump for biopsy is the same as cropping a dog's ears so that it can look like the breed standard? Really?

I hope that you are speaking in anger, and that you *really* don't hope that dogs who possibly have cancer don't get their cancer diagnosed because you couldn't have your dogs' ears and tails done.....

....because that's just sad and chilling....

I am not a fan of anti- crop and dock laws but it is extremist argments like the above that do *nothing* to help the cause.
 

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So the removal of a possibly cancerous lump for biopsy is the same as cropping a dog's ears so that it can look like the breed standard? Really?

I hope that you are speaking in anger, and that you *really* don't hope that dogs who possibly have cancer don't get their cancer diagnosed because you couldn't have your dogs' ears and tails done.....

....because that's just sad and chilling....

I am not a fan of anti- crop and dock laws but it is extremist argments like the above that do *nothing* to help the cause.
I think she was referring to non malignant lumps. So if its biopsied an its found to be non cancerous it should be left...

HBH>> that is what MP and I were saying. Why do it this way... how is forcing it 'underground' first in anyway helping dogs?
 

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