Obama or McCain?
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How about you go talk to people who lived through it - first hand? When you get the same info from totally unrelated sources over and over and over again it's a good base to start from.
Then start digging. The info is out there. I've dug it up over the years as well as had a lot of one on one and even group time with the guys from that era who LIVED it.
And you haven't been around long enough to know this, probably, but a long part of my career has been built around fact gathering and sifting through bullsh1t. Let's see . . . you're 22 you said? Been doing it most of your life . . .
Oh, and the regular media? Yah, they're full of it. You think the Virginia shootings was an example? You should see what happens in a sensational trial.
Dirty tricks doesn't even BEGIN to cover it.
Then start digging. The info is out there. I've dug it up over the years as well as had a lot of one on one and even group time with the guys from that era who LIVED it.
And you haven't been around long enough to know this, probably, but a long part of my career has been built around fact gathering and sifting through bullsh1t. Let's see . . . you're 22 you said? Been doing it most of your life . . .
Oh, and the regular media? Yah, they're full of it. You think the Virginia shootings was an example? You should see what happens in a sensational trial.
Dirty tricks doesn't even BEGIN to cover it.
My father lived through - so did his brother and my Mom's brother...my uncle was drafted...my father was not, and my mom's brother was already in the Army - I believe he went green to gold shortly afterward. I didnt say I was sifting through bull - I did say I was in the Guard, have experience in the Guard, know alot of the History of the Guard and know many who are far older and perhaps have had more experience. I know what my experiences have been in my very short life time.
And I dont have to be old or seasoned to be able to shift through information...I am a free thinker and have made decisions for myself. I learned that being the only conservative in a school full of people who beat at my views on a daily basis. I believe very little unless I have concrete data in front of me - I will change my mind...but frankly...sensasionalism and bull and whoha dont really do it for me.
I'll make sure to question a couple of the more seasoned fellas and the veterans I know.
Sarah - I think all those soldiers who died will have died for nothing, because I dont think that government can hold its own just yet.
~Cate
You must be joking...right? How about Reagan and crew training and financing Muslim radicals in Afghanistan?
Several Presidents are at fault for ignoring the rise of Radical Islam all the way back to LBJ. The support of the Shah and the ignoring of the Radicals in Iran was a huge boost of the Shiite radical (and yes I know that this is a completely different group than the Sunni Al-Qeda)
You can even go back farther if you like to the Bargains the USA, Saudis made with the Wahabiist but in any event you can't put the blame of 9/11 on Clinton....no matter what Karl Rove says
Several Presidents are at fault for ignoring the rise of Radical Islam all the way back to LBJ. The support of the Shah and the ignoring of the Radicals in Iran was a huge boost of the Shiite radical (and yes I know that this is a completely different group than the Sunni Al-Qeda)
You can even go back farther if you like to the Bargains the USA, Saudis made with the Wahabiist but in any event you can't put the blame of 9/11 on Clinton....no matter what Karl Rove says
I thought anybody could join. I was too little to understand it all, but we weren't rich, and I remember my brother discussing joining on the of the Guard units before his number came up in the draft. He didn't want to be in either, and I still thought it wasn't foolproof that he wouldn't go into the warzone if he joined. I mean, if it did, I'm not sure why my parents weren't pushing him to do the Guard, and the definitely weren't. They were a nervous wreck waiting to see if he got drafted, but they were not encouraging him to join the Guard. I remember it being discussed, but they weren't jumping on it.
From that, I only figured anyone could join because we were far from rich. They must have at least made it sound like you could go to the war, but much less likely, or I think my parents would have been begging my brother to do it whether he wanted to or not.
I was 7-11 when he was 18-21, so I'm sure my memory isn't that great, but it was a tense, tense time in my house, and my memories are vivid if not accurate.
From that, I only figured anyone could join because we were far from rich. They must have at least made it sound like you could go to the war, but much less likely, or I think my parents would have been begging my brother to do it whether he wanted to or not.
I was 7-11 when he was 18-21, so I'm sure my memory isn't that great, but it was a tense, tense time in my house, and my memories are vivid if not accurate.
Yeah - but Clinton commited a crime and never went to trial for it - he showed that he was above the system that the rest of us mere mortals must answer too.
Just to clarify....Perjury is a crime in the United States. Saying you didnt have sex with that woman and finding male ejaculate linking to his DNA is lying. Well - unless she pulled it out of someone else and smeared it on herself I guess you could use that as an excuse.
And perhaps we didnt find anything in Iraq this time...perhaps it was all gone - but let's not conveniently forget the chemical weapons we know Saddam used against his own people. Those are weapons of mass destruction...he killed alot of Kurds that way I believe. He was such a nice man after all.
~Cate
Just to clarify....Perjury is a crime in the United States. Saying you didnt have sex with that woman and finding male ejaculate linking to his DNA is lying. Well - unless she pulled it out of someone else and smeared it on herself
I guess you could use that as an excuse.And perhaps we didnt find anything in Iraq this time...perhaps it was all gone - but let's not conveniently forget the chemical weapons we know Saddam used against his own people. Those are weapons of mass destruction...he killed alot of Kurds that way I believe. He was such a nice man after all.
~Cate
whoever is prez, has a very unenviable job ahead of them. The last 8 years have not been kind to the US and sooner or later we're going to have to pay for the quick fix band aids and the enormous trade deficits, debt, etc that accumulated. We're in for some tougher times, dem or repub it doesn't matter.
Ah well, everyone's going to see things through whatever filters they choose . . . very, very few have the capacity or desire to develop the capacity to step outside of their own skin and examine life from a myriad of other perspectives, including those that don't appeal to their own sensibilities.
I don't see any light at the end of this particular tunnel that's not a train.
We need another American Revolution, but we're too lazy and too cowardly.
I don't see any light at the end of this particular tunnel that's not a train.
We need another American Revolution, but we're too lazy and too cowardly.
