Who's more loyal?

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I remember when Teagan was just a wee baby and Tyler and I would leave her with someone else like when we went to the farm for the summer and we would go for a walk. Teagan would literally freak out and cry and whine and pount until we came back and she did not like sitting with the person. She really does not like other people.
 

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I am not saying filas are not loyal or special it's just I see the same claims about virtually every breed by breed people. I am sure there are other breeds that have similar sayings in their home countries too.

I just think everyone tends to think their breed is the most 'special' or most X. Of course, I think the same about my breed too.
I agree. I don't think "loyalty" is much a breed thing, just a dog thing :)

as for doggy sayings..does 'VIVA CHIHUAHUA!" count? lol

lol we all have the tendency to think that "our" breed is remarkable or special, because they are the ones we see, live with, and hang out with everyday. Its hard not to look at the dog looking at you every morning and not think your dog is remarkable or special.

I think Romeo is the cutest thing ever. and "cute as a chihuahua" could totally catch on :rofl1:

Not that filas aren't lovely dogs.. but again, I think its a dog thing. not a breed thing.
 

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I know all of you will be like "whatever/you're anthropomorphizing/you're crazy/you're stupid" but Millie is loyal in the OMG Lassie way. It's nuts. She's my SD as many know and started alerting to my condition by herself, my mom and I have both been in grave positions and unable to get help, while Millie went and got help for us- multiple times each. She's protected me from people who wished me harm.
She's the most devoted dog I've ever had or known. Call it anthropomorphism, call it insanity, but I'd have been dead 15 times over if it weren't for Millie.

Lucy is the opposite, lol. She is more interested in food and toys than being with me, and that's cool, too.
 

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Bandit and Spank were pups from the same litter. Spank had no loyalty at all and would run off at any given chance if you weren't watching. Bandit would never. I find it is all individually based.
 

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^that.

I don't think most dogs are loyal in the Rin Tin Tin, Lassie, etc sense of the word. I think we tend to teach dogs that ZOMG we are the best things ever and therefore they are very attentive to us and then we call them loyal. I don't really believe that dogs have the ability to conceptualize loyalty by human definition.
Things like that remind me of Bones. :rofl1: Not saying your wrong/right/whatever, just when I was reading it Bones came to mind. Made me lol.

Yeah, off topic. haha
 

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Things like that remind me of Bones. :rofl1: Not saying your wrong/right/whatever, just when I was reading it Bones came to mind. Made me lol.

Yeah, off topic. haha
:lol-sign: I know what you mean. I love how literal and clueless she is on anything that isn't anthropological. Especially about Booth and religion. Did you see the episode where he finally agrees to let her go to church with him? :rofl1:
 

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Eve is my constant companion, the Lassie to my Timmy. She's a spaz, she'll leave my side in a second to go greet and socialize with another person, but if I turn around and walk away I know she's going to follow me.

I think dogs grow more devoted as they age, honestly. I remember my most "loyal" dog was also my oldest dog, Shiner. I grew up with her, and she was the way Eve is now - always by my side, sitting at the back of my legs, watching me and watching out for me. I don't know how loyal a dog can be, but I was always the main thing on her mind, and it was obvious. She was faithful, and Eve gets more like her with every month that passes. I don't really notice until I think about it - she wasn't this faithful a year ago.
 

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:lol-sign: I know what you mean. I love how literal and clueless she is on anything that isn't anthropological. Especially about Booth and religion. Did you see the episode where he finally agrees to let her go to church with him? :rofl1:
Yes. :rofl1: :rofl1: Her cluelessness is awesome. It really does make the show. Just wait till you watch the last episode in the 4th season. I --> :rofl1: just about the WHOLE time. It's hilarious. Best. Episode. Ever.
 

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Today I was at the park, thinking about this thread. I looked down and Mia was at my feet. I started looking around rather frantically because Summer was very uncharacteristically not there. I called. She didn't come. I began getting a little panicky and began running around, looking for her. That's when I see a group of girls, one of them walking on the other side of the lake with a VERY suspicious looking red papillon in her arms who is just BEAMING.

"Is this your dog? She is soooooo cute and soooooo sweet. I LOVE her!"

:rolleyes:

So much for loyal dog that never runs off.
 
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I think dogs grow more devoted as they age, honestly.
I think that's true for most. All three Filas caught me off guard, though, because as soon as they came home with me, that's how they were, even as puppies. Buffy and Kharma both, at around 5 months old, stood there and challenged the 2000 pound bull and *made* him go around when he wanted to walk through where I was picking blackberries.

Neither Buffy nor Kharma had any use for anyone other than their immediate family (including Bimmer) from Day One. Shiva was more attention hungry, but I don't really think she is full Fila, but is part Bullmastiff. Even so, she never wanted to be far from us.
 

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Neither of the dogs here are particularly loyal by themselves. Daisy will be loyal if you have food, or if you are out with her somewhere that she is underconfident - she sticks right by me in that situation. Benji has some loyalty to my mother, but otherwise, meh.
 

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I agree that the term "loyal" is what we appear to be seeing, based on human perceptions more than what the dog's motives are. I think because it's always been, from an evolutionary stand point, advantageous for dogs to stick around close to humans, they are just hard wired to hang close, some more than others.

I do think certain breeds tend to be more "stick-around-close" types, due to selective breeding. Shepherding, guarding and other types are very often, particularly this way and I think it's an individual thing too. Domestic dogs, by their very nature are going to tend, to some degree or another, to feel bonded and sociable to their human family.

I don't say that it is not caused by love. I do think dogs love us too, besides instinctively knowing that they'll thrive better when they bond to humans. But the term, "loyalty" suggests a deeper, much more complex connotation that humans are capable of deciphering. I don't think dogs have all the complex emotional associations that word denotes, going all around through their brains. Loyalty to me, infers that the possessor has a feeling or sense of duty or a moral obligation to allegence....a moral devotion. I know dogs love. And I know they are genetically programmed to depend on us to thrive. But, I think they love in a more simple way than the word, "loyal" suggests.
 

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Funny...when I first read your question, I thought it was going to be...who is more loyal, your dog or your husband? but, that's just me....
 

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Funny...when I first read your question, I thought it was going to be...who is more loyal, your dog or your husband? but, that's just me....
Well, you hardly ever hear about a dog moving in with a younger Golden Retriever and leaving his owner bereft. And dogs hardly ever run back to their mamas and whine about you.

On the other hand (paw?), plenty of dogs will run off to hang with those no-good hounds he knew as a pup.

So who knows?
 

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Well, you hardly ever hear about a dog moving in with a younger Golden Retriever and leaving his owner bereft. And dogs hardly ever run back to their mamas and whine about you.

On the other hand (paw?), plenty of dogs will run off to hang with those no-good hounds he knew as a pup.

So who knows?
I do. Dogs are way more loyal. ;)
 
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I don't think dogs have all the complex emotional associations that word denotes, going all around through their brains. Loyalty to me, infers that the possessor has a feeling or sense of duty or a moral obligation to allegence....a moral devotion. I know dogs love. And I know they are genetically programmed to depend on us to thrive. But, I think they love in a more simple way than the word, "loyal" suggests.
Oh, I'll have to disagree. One of the simplest explanations of a true friend -- and true friendship involves supreme loyalty -- says that a good friend will help you move; a TRUE friend will help you move a body.

I'd wager a fair number of us have dogs who would help us move a body, or bury one ;)
 

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Oh, I'll have to disagree. One of the simplest explanations of a true friend -- and true friendship involves supreme loyalty -- says that a good friend will help you move; a TRUE friend will help you move a body.

I'd wager a fair number of us have dogs who would help us move a body, or bury one ;)
LOL, agreed.

I just think dogs are capable of FAR more than we give them credit for.
 

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