What do you personally believe in?...
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Roxy's CD said:
If everything was predetermind, wouldn't God have planned a suicide then??
Just thought of that now... So God knew they would kill themselves...
Edited in (cuz Tessa answered so darn quick
): For those of you who believe in predetermination
Just thought of that now... So God knew they would kill themselves...
Edited in (cuz Tessa answered so darn quick
): For those of you who believe in predetermination
Roxy's CD said:
If everything was predetermind, wouldn't God have planned a suicide then??
Just thought of that now... So God knew they would kill themselves...
Edited in (cuz Tessa answered so darn quick): For those of you who believe in predetermination
Just thought of that now... So God knew they would kill themselves...
Edited in (cuz Tessa answered so darn quick
): For those of you who believe in predetermination
Fictional
For example : What if a teenager was diagnosed with a disease (sp) and need a transplant or they would die.....God knows that this teenager will grow up to be a fixture in World history and will change something for the better...
On the other side of town, God knows that someone is getting ready to kill themselves....and omg they have the same blood type or whatever...
That suicide person died because it was predestined that the teenager would grow up to be very influental in the world.....
IMO of course
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I don't believe I said he "plans" suicides. Did you read the last post? I said God doesn't want his children to die. We are predestined for certain things...if you commit suicide, regardless of whether you were predestined or not, you've sinned and will go to hell. No, he doesn't stop them. That's why I said there is another predestined route of life for them should they decide to live.
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jess2416 said:
Yes he knew and he had a reason for it....although we might not know it, their is a reason for everything...
Fictional
For example : What if a teenager was diagnosed with a disease (sp) and need a transplant or they would die.....God knows that this teenager will grow up to be a fixture in World history and will change something for the better...
On the other side of town, God knows that someone is getting ready to kill themselves....and omg they have the same blood type or whatever...
That suicide person died because it was predestined that the teenager would grow up to be very influental in the world.....
IMO of course
Fictional
For example : What if a teenager was diagnosed with a disease (sp) and need a transplant or they would die.....God knows that this teenager will grow up to be a fixture in World history and will change something for the better...
On the other side of town, God knows that someone is getting ready to kill themselves....and omg they have the same blood type or whatever...
That suicide person died because it was predestined that the teenager would grow up to be very influental in the world.....
IMO of course
Very good explanation of the "suicide" issue. God doesn't want it to be done, but sometimes it is predestined to happen regardless.
Renee750il said:
It will be interesting to see if this thread keeps the level of civility of the old thread on the same subject http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3602
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3602
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Labbreeder, I am sorry. Your post made it come across as though you were getting hostile with me for not understanding what you meant(because of the "have you read my post" thing.. usually people say that when they are trying to imply another person is stupid and incapable of reading their post and understanding it).
I believe in God, heaven and hell.
I believe in predestination, but I don't believe all actions are predestinated. People have the free will to do what they want. We're not puppets. The predestination I believe in is eternal. Jesus said he came to save all that the Father gave him and that he would not lose one. Therefore, I believe he did save all that the Father gave him.
I also don't like for people to try to 'save' me (or anyone else). I don't believe people have that power, and I believe Jesus completed the work of salvation on the cross.
I believe it was preordained who would have eternal life according to God. I believe Jesus came to save all God's children, and that he accomplished that. That is the predestination that I believe in.
Since Jesus did the work of salvation, there is no need for people to 'save' others, and they wouldn't have the ability anyway. If people were required to assist in helping others receive salvation, human error would come in to play. I just don't believe God, as a loving Father, would let his children perish in hell. I think He will send punishment for our actions but He wouldn't let us perish forever. Believing this way, and believing that there is a hell, means believing that there are certain people who are not one of God's.
I believe in predestination, but I don't believe all actions are predestinated. People have the free will to do what they want. We're not puppets. The predestination I believe in is eternal. Jesus said he came to save all that the Father gave him and that he would not lose one. Therefore, I believe he did save all that the Father gave him.
I also don't like for people to try to 'save' me (or anyone else). I don't believe people have that power, and I believe Jesus completed the work of salvation on the cross.
I believe it was preordained who would have eternal life according to God. I believe Jesus came to save all God's children, and that he accomplished that. That is the predestination that I believe in.
Since Jesus did the work of salvation, there is no need for people to 'save' others, and they wouldn't have the ability anyway. If people were required to assist in helping others receive salvation, human error would come in to play. I just don't believe God, as a loving Father, would let his children perish in hell. I think He will send punishment for our actions but He wouldn't let us perish forever. Believing this way, and believing that there is a hell, means believing that there are certain people who are not one of God's.
I dont believe in anything humans say is gospel. I see how animals live in the wild and thats how I believe humans were meant to live. I think culture has dumbed us down. Although we maybe more educated now than we were 2000 years ago, I dont really think that we are better off. We work for luxuries. Some of us put in long days just to put food on the table. The ancient people had it made. They could hunt and fish half the day and have the rest of the day to eat and goof off. They got way more sleep than us since they had no light. They got to have way more whoopie than us because it wasnt evil back then, and what else was there to do? I bet none of them said "I need a new SUV or plasma TV"
We have developed ways to save thousands of lives, we have developed ways to eradicate thousands of lives. We have made our lives very easy as long as you are willing to work countless hours for it. We have turned ourselves into livestock with almost no chance of survival outside of the machine. If there is a God and he created nature we have totally forsaken his gift to create our own. I dont believe there is a god. I dont believe in heaven or hell. I think when you die you fertilize the ground, feed maggots and continue the chain of nature.
We have developed ways to save thousands of lives, we have developed ways to eradicate thousands of lives. We have made our lives very easy as long as you are willing to work countless hours for it. We have turned ourselves into livestock with almost no chance of survival outside of the machine. If there is a God and he created nature we have totally forsaken his gift to create our own. I dont believe there is a god. I dont believe in heaven or hell. I think when you die you fertilize the ground, feed maggots and continue the chain of nature.
I've been around people who live their lives by "The Book". Their whole lives! They have complete faith and never doubt.
It really truly amazes me... I must be too much of a "scientist", I'm one of those annoying people that "always needs proof", I need to see it to believe it. (not understand it though) I need to hold it in my hand and feel it, examine it before I believe.
I like cold hard facts.
So much of Christianity is just believing. Just having faith because...
It really truly amazes me... I must be too much of a "scientist", I'm one of those annoying people that "always needs proof", I need to see it to believe it. (not understand it though) I need to hold it in my hand and feel it, examine it before I believe.
I like cold hard facts.
So much of Christianity is just believing. Just having faith because...
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I'll try not to offend here...
I don't have a belief. I haven't had one since I was 12 years old. I guess that makes me athiest, correct?
It is hard to explain, in my book, why I feel this way.
It's basically this... I find it hard to believe in.
I wasn't pushed into Christianity, I used to go to church quite religiously. I have even been saved.
As I grew older, I began to have doubts. Is it true? Please, don't be offended by that remark, it really went through my mind when I was younger.
I hope y'all understand...
EDITED TO ADD:
Roxy, you got it right on point. I am a bit scientific myself. I believe more in evolution than the Adam and Eve type deal.
I don't have a belief. I haven't had one since I was 12 years old. I guess that makes me athiest, correct?
It is hard to explain, in my book, why I feel this way.
It's basically this... I find it hard to believe in.
I wasn't pushed into Christianity, I used to go to church quite religiously. I have even been saved.
As I grew older, I began to have doubts. Is it true? Please, don't be offended by that remark, it really went through my mind when I was younger.
I hope y'all understand...
EDITED TO ADD:
Roxy, you got it right on point. I am a bit scientific myself. I believe more in evolution than the Adam and Eve type deal.